c++.chat - Anniversary of First Flight
- Walter (4/4) Dec 17 2003 I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had ...
- Jan Knepper (10/16) Dec 17 2003 Great!
- Cesar Rabak (16/21) Dec 17 2003 More or less. . . "...first manned, powered, controlled flying machine."...
- Walter (13/29) Dec 17 2003 a
- Jan Knepper (10/31) Dec 17 2003 I saw some on TV. To me it looked like they had balance issue's. I do
- Cesar Rabak (12/50) Dec 19 2003 I only read about the 1904 experiments being filmed, but, I cannot be
- Walter (6/9) Dec 19 2003 The power was enough, the trouble was the stall speed wasn't that much
- Cesar Rabak (8/17) Dec 20 2003 I see! When in school we did an exercise (drill) of another famous plane
- Walter (3/6) Dec 20 2003 The U2, of course! By all accounts, it was a tough airplane to fly.
- Cesar Rabak (7/15) Dec 21 2003 Yes! And it was funny how many students kept checking calculations
- John Reimer (13/14) Dec 26 2003 Speaking of Lockheed-Martin (a little off topic, sorry):
- Walter (6/12) Dec 26 2003 Boeing
- John Reimer (1/3) Dec 27 2003 No, no... that can't be true because the US government chose the other o...
- Walter (4/7) Dec 28 2003 ;-D.
- roland (4/6) Jan 07 2004 yes it did. a french university did it.
- Sean (7/11) Dec 18 2003 Surprise!
- roland (7/13) Jan 07 2004 Hem .. but the first flight was done by Clement Ader in october 9 1890
I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their accomplishment. Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.
Dec 17 2003
Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> Great! Likewise... Started out with Aircraft Design & Maintenance... ;-) www.nlc.nl Although, I do not keep track of the dates that closely, but it is great that today is the 100th anniversary of manned, powered & controlled flying. Walter wrote:I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their accomplishment. Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.-- ManiaC++ Jan Knepper
Dec 17 2003
Walter escreveu:I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their accomplishment. Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.More or less. . . "...first manned, powered, controlled flying machine." would be a complete description for a dirigible airship. This is attributed to Santos Dumont. The Wright brothers might have done it with the then called "heavier than air" apparatus, but their feat was not done in public. . . For the records, the attempt of reproducing their flight today did not succeed. . .! On the other hand, if you are patient, you can wait three more years and wait for the first worldwide recognized "hevier than air" flight made in 1906 (by the same Santos Dumont). The replica of this plane flies every year in fairs! -- Cesar Rabak GNU/Linux User 52247. Get counted: http://counter.li.org/
Dec 17 2003
"Cesar Rabak" <csrabak ig.com.br> wrote in message news:3FE0E7EA.9000108 ig.com.br...Walter escreveu:aI started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always hadaccomplishment.fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude theirYou're right, I should have added heavier than air.Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.More or less. . . "...first manned, powered, controlled flying machine." would be a complete description for a dirigible airship. This is attributed to Santos Dumont. The Wright brothers might have done it with the then called "heavier than air" apparatus, but their feat was not done in public. . .For the records, the attempt of reproducing their flight today did not succeed. . .!The 1903 Flyer was a marginal aircraft, and the Wrights themselves wrecked it the first try. But it did fly in 1903 - the picture proves it. The Flyer replica did fly on Dec. 4. http://www.newsobserver.com/firstinflight/story/3039258p-2780945c.htmlOn the other hand, if you are patient, you can wait three more years and wait for the first worldwide recognized "hevier than air" flight made in 1906 (by the same Santos Dumont). The replica of this plane flies every year in fairs!The Wrights made improved Flyers in 1904 http://www.nasm.si.edu/wrightbrothers/fly/1904/huffman.cfm and 1905 http://www.asme.org/history/roster/H224.html. See also http://wright.nasa.gov/airplane/air1905.html.
Dec 17 2003
Cesar Rabak wrote:Walter escreveu:Hey, they had in on film in case you forgot about that!I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their accomplishment. Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.More or less. . . "...first manned, powered, controlled flying machine." would be a complete description for a dirigible airship. This is attributed to Santos Dumont. The Wright brothers might have done it with the then called "heavier than air" apparatus, but their feat was not done in public. . .For the records, the attempt of reproducing their flight today did not succeed. . .!I saw some on TV. To me it looked like they had balance issue's. I do not know if they had any aircraft specialists out there, but without people with a bit of the proper knowledge is it not so easy to get that model of a plain to fly stable.On the other hand, if you are patient, you can wait three more years and wait for the first worldwide recognized "hevier than air" flight made in 1906 (by the same Santos Dumont). The replica of this plane flies every year in fairs!Of course... Once you have it stable you can fly it any time! -- ManiaC++ Jan Knepper
Dec 17 2003
Jan Knepper escreveu:Cesar Rabak wrote:I only read about the 1904 experiments being filmed, but, I cannot be sure since we have not all the info.Walter escreveu:Hey, they had in on film in case you forgot about that!I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their accomplishment. Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.More or less. . . "...first manned, powered, controlled flying machine." would be a complete description for a dirigible airship. This is attributed to Santos Dumont. The Wright brothers might have done it with the then called "heavier than air" apparatus, but their feat was not done in public. . .You bet! Also, as Walter points out, the plane was a marginal aircraft. We have to concede they were pioneering!For the records, the attempt of reproducing their flight today did not succeed. . .!I saw some on TV. To me it looked like they had balance issue's. I do not know if they had any aircraft specialists out there, but without people with a bit of the proper knowledge is it not so easy to get that model of a plain to fly stable.The other issue besides stability, it seems from literature I had access (and IIRC from some info in the Wright Patterson Base Air Museum), that for its aerodynamics that plane was underpowered. -- Cesar Rabak GNU/Linux User 52247. Get counted: http://counter.li.org/On the other hand, if you are patient, you can wait three more years and wait for the first worldwide recognized "hevier than air" flight made in 1906 (by the same Santos Dumont). The replica of this plane flies every year in fairs!Of course... Once you have it stable you can fly it any time!
Dec 19 2003
"Cesar Rabak" <csrabak ig.com.br> wrote in message news:3FE3A14D.3090306 ig.com.br...The other issue besides stability, it seems from literature I had access (and IIRC from some info in the Wright Patterson Base Air Museum), that for its aerodynamics that plane was underpowered.The power was enough, the trouble was the stall speed wasn't that much slower than the speed at which the instability caused it to be uncontrollable. There was only a narrow speed range within which it would fly.
Dec 19 2003
Walter escreveu:"Cesar Rabak" <csrabak ig.com.br> wrote in message news:3FE3A14D.3090306 ig.com.br...I see! When in school we did an exercise (drill) of another famous plane that had a short range between stall and max speed¹. . . -- Cesar Rabak GNU/Linux User 52247. Get counted: http://counter.li.org/ [1] for the curious, it was a spy plane!The other issue besides stability, it seems from literature I had access (and IIRC from some info in the Wright Patterson Base Air Museum), that for its aerodynamics that plane was underpowered.The power was enough, the trouble was the stall speed wasn't that much slower than the speed at which the instability caused it to be uncontrollable. There was only a narrow speed range within which it would fly.
Dec 20 2003
"Cesar Rabak" <csrabak ig.com.br> wrote in message news:3FE499C2.7050906 ig.com.br...I see! When in school we did an exercise (drill) of another famous plane that had a short range between stall and max speed¹. . . [1] for the curious, it was a spy plane!The U2, of course! By all accounts, it was a tough airplane to fly.
Dec 20 2003
Walter escreveu:"Cesar Rabak" <csrabak ig.com.br> wrote in message news:3FE499C2.7050906 ig.com.br...Yes! And it was funny how many students kept checking calculations because the computed latitude was so narrow ;-) -- Cesar Rabak GNU/Linux User 52247. Get counted: http://counter.li.org/I see! When in school we did an exercise (drill) of another famous plane that had a short range between stall and max speed¹. . . [1] for the curious, it was a spy plane!The U2, of course! By all accounts, it was a tough airplane to fly.
Dec 21 2003
The U2, of course! By all accounts, it was a tough airplane to fly.Speaking of Lockheed-Martin (a little off topic, sorry): Walter, you used to work for Boeing, right? Did you watch the documentary recently on the JSF VTOL or STOVL-capable aircraft competition between Boeing and Lockheed-Martin. It was a fascinating coverage of two design teams competing to make the next fighter for Air Force/Navy. Boeing lost unfortunately, but I loved their plane, the weird looking X-32. It was sad that they lost. The Boeing X-32: http://members.lycos.co.uk/aerospace21/jsf/x-32.html The Lockheed X-35: http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2001/articles/arp_01/xplanes/xplane_x35.html Later, John
Dec 26 2003
"John Reimer" <John_member pathlink.com> wrote in message news:bsiijm$lsh$1 digitaldaemon.com...Walter, you used to work for Boeing, right? Did you watch the documentary recently on the JSF VTOL or STOVL-capable aircraft competition betweenBoeingand Lockheed-Martin. It was a fascinating coverage of two design teams competing to make the next fighter for Air Force/Navy. Boeing lost unfortunately, but I loved their plane, the weird looking X-32. It wassad thatthey lost.I saw the documentary. Based on the information in the documentary, it looked like Boeing had the superior design.
Dec 26 2003
I saw the documentary. Based on the information in the documentary, it looked like Boeing had the superior design.No, no... that can't be true because the US government chose the other one ;-D.
Dec 27 2003
"John Reimer" <John_member pathlink.com> wrote in message news:bsleoe$2cv2$1 digitaldaemon.com...;-D. Political considerations trump practical ones <g>.I saw the documentary. Based on the information in the documentary, it looked like Boeing had the superior design.No, no... that can't be true because the US government chose the other one
Dec 28 2003
Cesar Rabak a écrit :For the records, the attempt of reproducing their flight today did not succeed. . .!yes it did. a french university did it. Unfortunately I couldn't find a link on the web but I've seen it at the TV. roland
Jan 07 2004
Surprise! Still remember how I was enchanted by those aviation magazine when I was a boy, which led to my majoring in aircraft design... Didn't know that they made the engine themselves, cool... "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> дÈëÓʼþ news:brqkb2$l8h$1 digitaldaemon.com...I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude theiraccomplishment.Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.
Dec 18 2003
Walter a écrit :I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their accomplishment. Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.Hem .. but the first flight was done by Clement Ader in october 9 1890 .. see http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/ader.html :-) Hem controlled you say ? so ok its the Wright brothers plane ;-) roland
Jan 07 2004
"roland" <--nancyetroland free.fr> wrote in message news:bti4v8$7ki$1 digitaldaemon.com...Walter a écrit :aI started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always hadaccomplishment.fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude theirI'm not convinced that Ader flew. In fact, I'm extremely skeptical <g>.Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.Hem .. but the first flight was done by Clement Ader in october 9 1890 .. see http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/ader.html :-) Hem controlled you say ? so ok its the Wright brothers plane ;-)
Jan 08 2004
Walter a écrit :"roland" <--nancyetroland free.fr> wrote in message news:bti4v8$7ki$1 digitaldaemon.com...Ok I should have posted on the other thread. I've didn't see it before posting. So you knew Adler ? I thought the french were the only one to know him. The funny thing is that all french childrens are taught at school that the first flight was Adler one. Here there is streets, schools or university with his name. There should be some evidences it really flew. He didn't pretend it was a big success, only 20 cm altitude. But well it doen't really mater: the truth is that even if it really flew, that was a technical dead end. rolandWalter a écrit :aI started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always hadaccomplishment.fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude theirI'm not convinced that Ader flew. In fact, I'm extremely skeptical <g>.Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.Hem .. but the first flight was done by Clement Ader in october 9 1890 .. see http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/ader.html :-) Hem controlled you say ? so ok its the Wright brothers plane ;-)
Jan 09 2004
"roland" <--nancyetroland free.fr> wrote in message news:btneo3$28ia$1 digitaldaemon.com...Ok I should have posted on the other thread. I've didn't see it before posting. So you knew Adler ?I'm not that old <g>. But I find the Wrights fascinating, and have read a lot about them and some of the other claims.I thought the french were the only one to know him. The funny thing is that all french childrens are taught at school that the first flight was Adler one. Here there is streets, schools or university with his name. There should be some evidences it really flew. He didn't pretend it was a big success, only 20 cm altitude. But well it doen't really mater: the truth is that even if it really flew, that was a technical dead end.Yup.
Jan 09 2004