• Andrei Alexandrescu (5/5) Jun 05 2015 Just found these on reddit:
• Mike (4/10) Jun 05 2015 Immediately pleasant on the eyes. You had me at "Grumpy wizards
• Vladimir Panteleev (19/24) Jun 05 2015 1. Web fonts come with cost of increased page load time and
• Andrei Alexandrescu (11/35) Jun 05 2015 These are made by Google and are optimized for the Web. On
• Vladimir Panteleev (11/20) Jun 05 2015 Right, but Google doesn't know about all the other resources we

Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:

Just found these on reddit:

https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto
https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto+Mono

I'm thinking to use them instead of Verdana and Lucida Mono respectively.


Andrei

"Mike" <none none.com> writes:

On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 21:46:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Just found these on reddit:

 https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto
 https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto+Mono

 I'm thinking to use them instead of Verdana and Lucida Mono 
 respectively.


 Andrei

Immediately pleasant on the eyes.  You had me at "Grumpy wizards 
make toxic brew for the evil Queen and Jack."

Mike

"Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:

On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 21:46:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Just found these on reddit:

 https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto
 https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto+Mono

 I'm thinking to use them instead of Verdana and Lucida Mono 
 respectively.

1. Web fonts come with cost of increased page load time and 
resource utilization.

2. You can't use a custom (web) font for any content which you 
can't ensure contains only glyphs supported by the font. Which 
implies that you cannot use it for user-submitted content (forum 
and wiki), unless you want some glyphs to be in a different font. 
Which implies that if we do use a different font for the website, 
the forum may need to use a different, standard font.

Examples:

http://dump.thecybershadow.net/2ef53dfe00fc112e3418913348bebdf0/00000173.png
http://dump.thecybershadow.net/686026fbe38bab61e21631f6fb1f6f64/00000174.png

3. Just because a font looks bad on your machine, doesn't mean it 
looks as bad on others. (Conversely, just because a web font 
looks good on your machine, doesn't mean it'll look as good on 
others.) Fonts are hard.

I'm not sure there is a problem that needs to be fixed here, 
especially considering the caveats. In fact:

https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/995

Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:

On 6/5/15 3:07 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
 On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 21:46:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Just found these on reddit:

 https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto
 https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Roboto+Mono

 I'm thinking to use them instead of Verdana and Lucida Mono respectively.

 1. Web fonts come with cost of increased page load time and resource
 utilization.

These are made by Google and are optimized for the Web. On 
https://www.google.com/fonts#UsePlace:use/Collection:Roboto it seems 
like downloading a few of them keeps that gauge in the green region.

 2. You can't use a custom (web) font for any content which you can't
 ensure contains only glyphs supported by the font. Which implies that
 you cannot use it for user-submitted content (forum and wiki), unless
 you want some glyphs to be in a different font. Which implies that if we
 do use a different font for the website, the forum may need to use a
 different, standard font.

 Examples:

 http://dump.thecybershadow.net/2ef53dfe00fc112e3418913348bebdf0/00000173.png

 http://dump.thecybershadow.net/686026fbe38bab61e21631f6fb1f6f64/00000174.png

Not sure what I'm looking at, but point taken. Perhaps I should try that 
on the main site.

 3. Just because a font looks bad on your machine, doesn't mean it looks
 as bad on others. (Conversely, just because a web font looks good on
 your machine, doesn't mean it'll look as good on others.) Fonts are hard.

Well yah but our interior design has grown long in the tooth. Time for a 
change. I'll ask a trusted lieutenant (myself) to try Roboto and Roboto 
Mono on the site.

 I'm not sure there is a problem that needs to be fixed here, especially
 considering the caveats. In fact:

 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/995

Alrighty.


Andrei

"Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:

On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 22:19:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 These are made by Google and are optimized for the Web. On 
 https://www.google.com/fonts#UsePlace:use/Collection:Roboto it 
 seems like downloading a few of them keeps that gauge in the 
 green region.

Right, but Google doesn't know about all the other resources we 
already use on dlang.org (CodeMirror / "Edit and run", sidebar 
resources, Disqus for DDox etc.).

 Not sure what I'm looking at, but point taken. Perhaps I should 
 try that on the main site.

We control the content on dlang.org, and we don't have much 
Unicode, so it might be fine there. The issue is then with 
consistency across websites.

 Well yah but our interior design has grown long in the tooth. 
 Time for a change. I'll ask a trusted lieutenant (myself) to 
 try Roboto and Roboto Mono on the site.

Here is an alternative:

http://www.cssfontstack.com/

It allows choosing font sets that are already available on most 
machines out there.