• chojin (54/54) Aug 04 2006 Eck. I am about to pull my hair out. I've been using D for 3 days now an...
• Chris Nicholson-Sauls (25/56) Aug 04 2006 ... etc ...
• chojin (19/22) Aug 04 2006 THANKYOU!
• Robert Atkinson (16/23) Aug 06 2006 I remember when I was just entering University, and the CS department
• Derek (50/116) Aug 04 2006 When working with stdin/stdou/stderr you need to use the std.cstream

"chojin" <someone somewhere.com> writes:

Eck. I am about to pull my hair out. I've been using D for 3 days now and 
can't even get text input on the console going. The first 2 were tied up 
trying to find a usable decent IDE solution.... others ironing out senseless 
bugs with no documentation... and I have a computer science degree! Anyway I 
feel like I could have a big rant but I'll get to the point.

I can compile most things just fine, but due to lack of finding decent 
documentation for scanf I switched over to streams, which seem MUCH nicer... 
but whenever I try to use them I get errors.

Currently trying to use streams using this sample code I got from dsource:

import std.stream;
import std.string;

int main()
{
    char[] input;
    char[] output;

    // Ask for a string
    std.stream.stdout.writeLine("Converts a lowercase string to 
uppercase.");
    std.stream.stdout.writeLine("Please enter a string:");
    input = std.stream.stdin.readLine();

    // Convert to upper and print it
    output = input.toupper();
    std.stream.stdout.writeLine(output);

    return 0;
}

And consistently, when using build.exe or dmake or dmd or whatever, I 
recieve this output:

dmd.exe 
C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d -debug -g -c -unittest  
-w -version=OLE_COM

C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(10): undefined 
identifier module stream.stdout
C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(10): undefined 
identifier module stream.stdout
C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(10): no property 
'writeLine' for type 'void'
C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(10): function expected 
before (), not 1 of type int
C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(11): undefined 
identifier module stream.stdout
C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(11): undefined 
identifier module stream.stdout
C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(11): no property 
'writeLine' for type 'void'
C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(11): function expected 
before (), not 1 of type int
C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(12): undefined 
identifier module stream.stdin
C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(12): undefined 
identifier module stream.stdin


Any ideas? I am using the latest dmd.exe and dmc linker tools, etc. I am 
stumped...

regards,
Rob 

Chris Nicholson-Sauls <ibisbasenji gmail.com> writes:

chojin wrote:
 Eck. I am about to pull my hair out. I've been using D for 3 days now and 
 can't even get text input on the console going. The first 2 were tied up 
 trying to find a usable decent IDE solution.... others ironing out senseless 
 bugs with no documentation... and I have a computer science degree! Anyway I 
 feel like I could have a big rant but I'll get to the point.
 
 I can compile most things just fine, but due to lack of finding decent 
 documentation for scanf I switched over to streams, which seem MUCH nicer... 
 but whenever I try to use them I get errors.
 
 Currently trying to use streams using this sample code I got from dsource:
 

... code here ...
 
 And consistently, when using build.exe or dmake or dmd or whatever, I 
 recieve this output:
 
 dmd.exe 
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d -debug -g -c -unittest  
 -w -version=OLE_COM
 
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(10): undefined 
 identifier module stream.stdout
 identifier module stream.stdin

... etc ...
 
 
 Any ideas? I am using the latest dmd.exe and dmc linker tools, etc. I am 
 stumped...
 
 regards,
 Rob 
 

Well the answer is simple: the example is outdated.  Guess I know something I
need to fix. 
  ^_^''  The following should be the way to do it with "modern" D.


import std.cstream : din, dout ;
import std.string  : toupper   ;

int main () {
   char[] input  ,
          output ;

   // Ask for a string
   dout.writeLine("Converts a lowercase string to uppercase.");
   dout.writeLine("Please enter a string:");
   input = din.readLine();

   // Convert to upper and print it
   output = input.toupper();
   dout.writeLine(output);

   return 0;
}


The 'std*' streams are no longer in module 'std.stream' as far as I know. 
Their roles 
were usurped by module 'std.cstream' a little ways back, which defines them as
instances 
of the class 'std.cstream.CFile:Stream' and with the names 'din', 'dout', and
'derr'.

-- Chris Nicholson-Sauls

"chojin" <someone somewhere.com> writes:

"Chris Nicholson-Sauls" <ibisbasenji gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:eav41r$2ndq$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Well the answer is simple: the example is outdated.  Guess I know 
 something I need to fix. ^_^''  The following should be the way to do it 
 with "modern" D.

THANKYOU!

Worked immediately.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I think the problem with D is, of 
no fault of their own, the community... it seems like everything gets 
obfuscated and diluted because so many people seem to be putting their 'bit' 
into it. I must have found six eclipse plugins and by the end of trying to 
trail which one was the latest I ended up just using batch files and scite. 
Also, no sign of a simple reference...? The one on digitalmars.com is just a 
list of function prototypes - what use is that unless you already know the 
function?

The beauty of something like java (which, I don't use, so I'm not some 
zealot) is that (for console based stuff) there's ONE basic way to output 
text (System.out.println). It doesn't change and it's reliable. I know D is 
a young language but unless there's a simple way for newcomers to just 
download everything they need without DAYS of research, nobody but the most 
hardcore will use it.

Just my input as a newcomer. 

Robert Atkinson <Robert.Atkinson.NO SPAM.gmail.com> writes:

chojin wrote:
  > The beauty of something like java (which, I don't use, so I'm not some
 zealot) is that (for console based stuff) there's ONE basic way to output 
 text (System.out.println). It doesn't change and it's reliable. I know D is 
 a young language but unless there's a simple way for newcomers to just 
 download everything they need without DAYS of research, nobody but the most 
 hardcore will use it.
 
 Just my input as a newcomer. 

I remember when I was just entering University, and the CS department 
was going on about this "new" language called Java.  So along with my 
courses in C and Fortran, I took the Java course too.  The results?  We 
had to download obscure compilers/IDEs for the coursework and the 
majority of the textbook was just wrong.  The course fell apart for 2 or 
3 terms until Java (and its community) matured.

The morale of the story is that young languages are like the wild west. 
  The rules are constantly being rewritten, and everyone has to build 
their own ranch house.  Java once was where D is now, and someday, 
people will be complaining that 'E?' is nowhere near as stable as D.

However, unlike Java, when something doesn't work in D (mostly due to my 
own mis-understanding), I just write it in C and keep on trucking.  When 
Java was borked, you were stuck in Java and all its limitations.

R

Derek <derek psyc.ward> writes:

On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:49:53 +1000, chojin wrote:

 Eck. I am about to pull my hair out. I've been using D for 3 days now and 
 can't even get text input on the console going. The first 2 were tied up 
 trying to find a usable decent IDE solution.... others ironing out senseless 
 bugs with no documentation... and I have a computer science degree! Anyway I 
 feel like I could have a big rant but I'll get to the point.
 
 I can compile most things just fine, but due to lack of finding decent 
 documentation for scanf I switched over to streams, which seem MUCH nicer... 
 but whenever I try to use them I get errors.
 
 Currently trying to use streams using this sample code I got from dsource:
 
 import std.stream;
 import std.string;
 
 int main()
 {
     char[] input;
     char[] output;
 
     // Ask for a string
     std.stream.stdout.writeLine("Converts a lowercase string to 
 uppercase.");
     std.stream.stdout.writeLine("Please enter a string:");
     input = std.stream.stdin.readLine();
 
     // Convert to upper and print it
     output = input.toupper();
     std.stream.stdout.writeLine(output);
 
     return 0;
 }
 
 And consistently, when using build.exe or dmake or dmd or whatever, I 
 recieve this output:
 
 dmd.exe 
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d -debug -g -c -unittest  
 -w -version=OLE_COM
 
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(10): undefined 
 identifier module stream.stdout
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(10): undefined 
 identifier module stream.stdout
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(10): no property 
 'writeLine' for type 'void'
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(10): function expected 
 before (), not 1 of type int
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(11): undefined 
 identifier module stream.stdout
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(11): undefined 
 identifier module stream.stdout
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(11): no property 
 'writeLine' for type 'void'
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(11): function expected 
 before (), not 1 of type int
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(12): undefined 
 identifier module stream.stdin
 C:\Homes\Administrator\Desktop\D\tester\stringtest.d(12): undefined 
 identifier module stream.stdin
 
 Any ideas? I am using the latest dmd.exe and dmc linker tools, etc. I am 
 stumped...
 
 regards,
 Rob

When working with stdin/stdou/stderr you need to use the std.cstream
module...

import std.cstream;
import std.string;

int main()
{
    char[] input;
    char[] output;

    // Ask for a string
    std.cstream.dout.writeLine("Converts a lowercase string to
uppercase.");
    std.cstream.dout.writeLine("Please enter a string:");
    input = std.cstream.din.readLine();

    // Convert to upper and print it
    output = input.toupper();
    std.cstream.dout.writeLine(output);

    return 0;
}


---- Here is the output I get...

c:\temp>type test.d
import std.cstream;
import std.string;

int main()
{
    char[] input;
    char[] output;

    // Ask for a string
    std.cstream.dout.writeLine("Converts a lowercase string to
uppercase.");
    std.cstream.dout.writeLine("Please enter a string:");
    input = std.cstream.din.readLine();

    // Convert to upper and print it
    output = input.toupper();
    std.cstream.dout.writeLine(output);

    return 0;
}
c:\temp>build test
Path and Version : z:\util\build.exe v3.02(2207)
  built on Sat Jun 24 00:44:57 2006

c:\temp>test
Converts a lowercase string to uppercase.
Please enter a string:
kajshdkjhaksdjhakjshdkja
KAJSHDKJHAKSDJHAKJSHDKJA

c:\temp>



-- 
Derek Parnell
Melbourne, Australia
"Down with mediocrity!"