digitalmars.D.ide - Status/future of the DDT project?
- Samuel Lampa (23/23) Aug 01 2011 Hi,
- Trass3r (4/8) Aug 01 2011 I think DDT doesn't support debugging yet.
- Robert McGinley (12/20) Aug 01 2011 charset=us-ascii
- Ary Manzana (6/15) Aug 01 2011 Someone could try to contribute to DDT by extracting Descent's debugger
- Andrew Wiley (8/26) Aug 01 2011 That's the trick. I don't know about the rest of you, but I haven't had ...
- Bruno Medeiros (12/39) Aug 03 2011 The next DDT release should have support for the GDC compiler, as it has...
- Bruno Medeiros (6/9) Aug 03 2011 Clarification: I meant DMD debugging on Windows. I assume DMD works
- Andrew Wiley (8/18) Aug 03 2011 With -g, it crashes GDB. With -gc, there's debug info, but all the symbo...
- Brad Roberts (15/21) Aug 03 2011 To get demangled symbols a very recent gdb release is required
- Trass3r (1/6) Aug 03 2011 -g + cv2pdb works well on Windows.
- Trass3r (4/11) Aug 03 2011 It's the other way around. Development and debugging is quite nice on
- Samuel Lampa (14/23) Aug 01 2011 Thanks for all this input and hints, everybody!
- Andrew Wiley (6/24) Aug 01 2011 Bruno Medeiros pretty much does DDT these days, although his time is lim...
- Bruno Medeiros (5/9) Aug 03 2011 For the most D newsgroups, yes, but I usually am up to date with
- Samuel Lampa (12/33) Aug 01 2011 Ok :) ... I'll keep an eye on the thread ...
- Bruno Medeiros (12/20) Aug 03 2011 At the moment it is just me working on DDT in any significant way
- Samuel Lampa (19/42) Aug 03 2011 Ok, big thanks for the update! Very much looking forward to that :)
Hi, I'm looking into using D for some sysadmin tools I need to develop att UPPMAX, and thus is looking for a good IDE for use on Linux, that supports debugging (step/go-into etc) debugging and code completion. I found out about the DDT project, after seeing that Descent is dead [1], and just wanted to hear what is the current status for the project (etc for the very technical status, I can try to figure out myself), is it going to be actively maintained in the foreseeable future etc? I tried also the Code::Blocks editor, but while it seems to work, I tend to like working in the rock-solid base platform of Eclipse, so I really hope DDT will be actively developed! (What IDE are you other linux people using for development btw? ) Best // Samuel -- System Expert / Bioinformatician SNIC-UPPMAX HPC Center Uppsala University, Sweden -------------------------------------- E-mail: samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se Phone: +46 (0)18 - 471 1060 WWW: http://www.uppmax.uu.se Uppnex: https://www.uppnex.uu.se
Aug 01 2011
Am 01.08.2011, 13:39 Uhr, schrieb Samuel Lampa <samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se>:Hi, I'm looking into using D for some sysadmin tools I need to develop att UPPMAX, and thus is looking for a good IDE for use on Linux, that supports debugging (step/go-into etc) debugging and code completion.I think DDT doesn't support debugging yet. But unfortunately there's no real alternative (I know of).
Aug 01 2011
Robert McGinley <mcginley.robert gmail.com> charset=us-ascii I put a request into JetBrains to have intellij idea or a stand alone = product support D = http://youtrack.jetbrains.net/issue/IDEA-72124?query=3DD+Programming+langu= age =20 I don't know if anyone here is a fan of their IDE's but I find their = tools to be quite good. =20 Rob On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Trass3r wrote:Am 01.08.2011, 13:39 Uhr, schrieb Samuel Lampa =<samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se>:=20att UPPMAX, and thus is looking for a good IDE for use on Linux, that = supports debugging (step/go-into etc) debugging and code completion.Hi, =20 I'm looking into using D for some sysadmin tools I need to develop ==20 I think DDT doesn't support debugging yet. But unfortunately there's no real alternative (I know of).
Aug 01 2011
On 8/1/11 2:16 PM, Trass3r wrote:Am 01.08.2011, 13:39 Uhr, schrieb Samuel Lampa <samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se>:Someone could try to contribute to DDT by extracting Descent's debugger from it (the code is totally separated from other IDE features so it's should be straight forward). Though Descent's debugger only worked with ddbg (dead, I think) and gdb (which kind of understands D, but not that much).Hi, I'm looking into using D for some sysadmin tools I need to develop att UPPMAX, and thus is looking for a good IDE for use on Linux, that supports debugging (step/go-into etc) debugging and code completion.I think DDT doesn't support debugging yet. But unfortunately there's no real alternative (I know of).
Aug 01 2011
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Ary Manzana <ary esperanto.org.ar> wrote:On 8/1/11 2:16 PM, Trass3r wrote:That's the trick. I don't know about the rest of you, but I haven't had any luck figuring out how to debug code compiled by DMD with any sort of efficiency, so I've just been using GDC for everything. The problem is that integrating gdb would require the IDE to know the difference between the two, which is non-trivial. And if I can't even find the symbol I want in an executable compiled by DMD, how would I code an IDE that could?Am 01.08.2011, 13:39 Uhr, schrieb Samuel Lampa <samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se**>: Hi,Someone could try to contribute to DDT by extracting Descent's debugger from it (the code is totally separated from other IDE features so it's should be straight forward). Though Descent's debugger only worked with ddbg (dead, I think) and gdb (which kind of understands D, but not that much).I'm looking into using D for some sysadmin tools I need to develop att UPPMAX, and thus is looking for a good IDE for use on Linux, that supports debugging (step/go-into etc) debugging and code completion.I think DDT doesn't support debugging yet. But unfortunately there's no real alternative (I know of).
Aug 01 2011
On 01/08/2011 20:14, Andrew Wiley wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Ary Manzana <ary esperanto.org.ar
<mailto:ary esperanto.org.ar>> wrote:
On 8/1/11 2:16 PM, Trass3r wrote:
Am 01.08.2011, 13:39 Uhr, schrieb Samuel Lampa
<samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se
<mailto:samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se>__>:
Hi,
I'm looking into using D for some sysadmin tools I need to
develop att
UPPMAX, and thus is looking for a good IDE for use on Linux,
that
supports debugging (step/go-into etc) debugging and code
completion.
I think DDT doesn't support debugging yet.
But unfortunately there's no real alternative (I know of).
Someone could try to contribute to DDT by extracting Descent's
debugger from it (the code is totally separated from other IDE
features so it's should be straight forward). Though Descent's
debugger only worked with ddbg (dead, I think) and gdb (which kind
of understands D, but not that much).
That's the trick. I don't know about the rest of you, but I haven't had
any luck figuring out how to debug code compiled by DMD with any sort of
efficiency, so I've just been using GDC for everything. The problem is
that integrating gdb would require the IDE to know the difference
between the two, which is non-trivial.
And if I can't even find the symbol I want in an executable compiled by
DMD, how would I code an IDE that could?
The next DDT release should have support for the GDC compiler, as it has
for DMD now. This is precursor step to actually supporting debugging
with GDB.
The question remains on what to do with regards to DMD debugging. It may
easy enough to add support in Eclipse to an existing debugger, but if
the debugger doesn't exist or is unsupported, it's a crappy situation.
What's the status with ddbg btw? I know the project is dead, but the
debugger itself, is it still fairly usable, or has it a lot of issues? I
couldn't tell myself from just a quick look at it.
--
Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Aug 03 2011
On 03/08/2011 17:46, Bruno Medeiros wrote:The question remains on what to do with regards to DMD debugging. It may easy enough to add support in Eclipse to an existing debugger, but if the debugger doesn't exist or is unsupported, it's a crappy situation.Clarification: I meant DMD debugging on Windows. I assume DMD works fairly well on Linux, since it generates debug info (DWARF on ELF?) that GDB understands. Is this correct? -- Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Aug 03 2011
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> wrote:On 03/08/2011 17:46, Bruno Medeiros wrote:With -g, it crashes GDB. With -gc, there's debug info, but all the symbol names seem to be mangled. Maybe I was just looking in the wrong place, but the few times I've tried to debug things compiled with -gc, I've rarely been able to find the symbol I wanted. I'm not sure why. As a note, you can currently build using GDC if you modify the arguments in the response file and use xargs to invoke GDC using the response file.The question remains on what to do with regards to DMD debugging. It may easy enough to add support in Eclipse to an existing debugger, but if the debugger doesn't exist or is unsupported, it's a crappy situation.Clarification: I meant DMD debugging on Windows. I assume DMD works fairly well on Linux, since it generates debug info (DWARF on ELF?) that GDB understands. Is this correct? -- Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Aug 03 2011
On Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:26:19 AM, Andrew Wiley wrote:With -g, it crashes GDB. With -gc, there's debug info, but all the symbol names seem to be mangled. Maybe I was just looking in the wrong place, but the few times I've tried to debug things compiled with -gc, I've rarely been able to find the symbol I wanted. I'm not sure why. As a note, you can currently build using GDC if you modify the arguments in the response file and use xargs to invoke GDC using the response file.To get demangled symbols a very recent gdb release is required (something around 7.2). But there's still lots of not quite right issues between dmd and gdb. On 64 bit it's even worse than 32 bit. Somone with either a lot of time or a good bit of dwarf experience needs to do some more deep diving. The situation right now is better than it was a year ago, but it's still far from great. -gc really needs to become the default, and -g dropped into the waste basket of time, unle ss someone is going to invest sufficient time to get the D extensions actually supported in all the mainstream debuggers. It's just not a good experience for the most obvious debug flag to not work. Anyway, my 2 cents, Brad
Aug 03 2011
-gc really needs to become the default, and -g dropped into the waste basket of time, unless someone is going to invest sufficient time to get the D extensions actually supported in all the mainstream debuggers. It's just not a good experience for the most obvious debug flag to not work.-g + cv2pdb works well on Windows.
Aug 03 2011
Am 03.08.2011, 19:00 Uhr, schrieb Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail>:On 03/08/2011 17:46, Bruno Medeiros wrote:It's the other way around. Development and debugging is quite nice on Windows due to Visual D + cv2pdb.The question remains on what to do with regards to DMD debugging. It may easy enough to add support in Eclipse to an existing debugger, but if the debugger doesn't exist or is unsupported, it's a crappy situation.Clarification: I meant DMD debugging on Windows. I assume DMD works fairly well on Linux, since it generates debug info (DWARF on ELF?) that GDB understands. Is this correct?
Aug 03 2011
On 08/01/2011 07:16 PM, Trass3r wrote:Am 01.08.2011, 13:39 Uhr, schrieb Samuel Lampa <samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se>:Thanks for all this input and hints, everybody! I think I'll keep an eye on DDT, and see if there is anything I can help with (at least submitting bugs, I guess). // Samuel -- System Expert / Bioinformatician SNIC-UPPMAX HPC Center Uppsala University, Sweden -------------------------------------- E-mail: samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se Phone: +46 (0)18 - 471 1060 WWW: http://www.uppmax.uu.se Uppnex: https://www.uppnex.uu.seHi, I'm looking into using D for some sysadmin tools I need to develop att UPPMAX, and thus is looking for a good IDE for use on Linux, that supports debugging (step/go-into etc) debugging and code completion.I think DDT doesn't support debugging yet. But unfortunately there's no real alternative (I know of).
Aug 01 2011
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Samuel Lampa <samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se>wrote:On 08/01/2011 07:16 PM, Trass3r wrote:Bruno Medeiros pretty much does DDT these days, although his time is limited and he seems to check the mailing lists about once a month and send out a whole bunch of emails. He'll probably chime in at some point in the near future.Am 01.08.2011, 13:39 Uhr, schrieb Samuel Lampa < samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se**>: Hi,Thanks for all this input and hints, everybody! I think I'll keep an eye on DDT, and see if there is anything I can help with (at least submitting bugs, I guess).I'm looking into using D for some sysadmin tools I need to develop att UPPMAX, and thus is looking for a good IDE for use on Linux, that supports debugging (step/go-into etc) debugging and code completion.I think DDT doesn't support debugging yet. But unfortunately there's no real alternative (I know of).
Aug 01 2011
On 01/08/2011 21:47, Andrew Wiley wrote:Bruno Medeiros pretty much does DDT these days, although his time is limited and he seems to check the mailing lists about once a month and send out a whole bunch of emails. He'll probably chime in at some point in the near future.For the most D newsgroups, yes, but I usually am up to date with D.announce and D.ide as they are much lower traffic (and more relevant) :) -- Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Aug 03 2011
On 08/01/2011 10:47 PM, Andrew Wiley wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Samuel Lampa
<samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se <mailto:samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se>>
wrote:
On 08/01/2011 07:16 PM, Trass3r wrote:
Am 01.08.2011, 13:39 Uhr, schrieb Samuel Lampa
<samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se
<mailto:samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se>>:
Hi,
I'm looking into using D for some sysadmin tools I need to
develop att UPPMAX, and thus is looking for a good IDE for
use on Linux, that supports debugging (step/go-into etc)
debugging and code completion.
I think DDT doesn't support debugging yet.
But unfortunately there's no real alternative (I know of).
Thanks for all this input and hints, everybody!
I think I'll keep an eye on DDT, and see if there is anything I
can help with (at least submitting bugs, I guess).
Bruno Medeiros pretty much does DDT these days, although his time is
limited and he seems to check the mailing lists about once a month and
send out a whole bunch of emails. He'll probably chime in at some
point in the near future.
Ok :) ... I'll keep an eye on the thread ...
// Samuel
--
System Expert / Bioinformatician
SNIC-UPPMAX HPC Center
Uppsala University, Sweden
--------------------------------------
E-mail: samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se
Phone: +46 (0)18 - 471 1060
WWW: http://www.uppmax.uu.se
Uppnex: https://www.uppnex.uu.se
Aug 01 2011
On 01/08/2011 12:39, Samuel Lampa wrote:Hi, I'm looking into using D for some sysadmin tools I need to develop att UPPMAX, and thus is looking for a good IDE for use on Linux, that supports debugging (step/go-into etc) debugging and code completion. I found out about the DDT project, after seeing that Descent is dead [1], and just wanted to hear what is the current status for the project (etc for the very technical status, I can try to figure out myself), is it going to be actively maintained in the foreseeable future etc?At the moment it is just me working on DDT in any significant way (although Gyula Gubacsi aka progician has submitted some code). But I do plan and expect to work on it at least until the 1.0 milestone, which I consider to be a highly stable and usable state: Concretely, this means having debugger support, and updating/reimplementing the parser so that it is stable, recognizes the newer D2 language features, and is easy to modify (see http://code.google.com/a/eclipselabs.org/p/ddt/issues/list?can=2&q=parser ) I really can't quite say how long it will take until this point is reached. -- Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Aug 03 2011
On 08/03/2011 06:35 PM, Bruno Medeiros wrote:On 01/08/2011 12:39, Samuel Lampa wrote:Ok, big thanks for the update! Very much looking forward to that :) (happened to mention my hopes for DDT in threads such as [1]). Also, though I don't know if my little bit of Eclipse RCP experience (from developing Bioclipse plugins) will really be enough for any more demanding stuff, I hope to find time for at least some testing/submitting bugs. // Samuel [1] -- System Expert / Bioinformatician SNIC-UPPMAX HPC Center Uppsala University, Sweden -------------------------------------- E-mail: samuel.lampa scilifelab.uu.se Phone: +46 (0)18 - 471 1060 WWW: http://www.uppmax.uu.se Uppnex: https://www.uppnex.uu.seHi, I'm looking into using D for some sysadmin tools I need to develop att UPPMAX, and thus is looking for a good IDE for use on Linux, that supports debugging (step/go-into etc) debugging and code completion. I found out about the DDT project, after seeing that Descent is dead [1], and just wanted to hear what is the current status for the project (etc for the very technical status, I can try to figure out myself), is it going to be actively maintained in the foreseeable future etc?At the moment it is just me working on DDT in any significant way (although Gyula Gubacsi aka progician has submitted some code). But I do plan and expect to work on it at least until the 1.0 milestone, which I consider to be a highly stable and usable state: Concretely, this means having debugger support, and updating/reimplementing the parser so that it is stable, recognizes the newer D2 language features, and is easy to modify (see http://code.google.com/a/eclipselabs.org/p/ddt/issues/list?can=2&q=parser ) I really can't quite say how long it will take until this point is reached.
Aug 03 2011