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reply "Alexander77" <duzhar googlemail.com> writes:
Hi Guys

I started learning D language and I am so happy that it is so

IDE for D language yet. And I would like to spend my time to
write one, I was thinking about using Visual Studio or Qt Creator
for it.

I would like to ask if there is any need in writing IDE at this
moment?

P.S. I already have experience writing IDE in Visaul Studio (as
example have a look at full-fledged)
Jun 20 2012
next sibling parent reply Mirko Pilger <pilger cymotec.de> writes:
 I would like to ask if there is any need in writing IDE at this
 moment?


i would suggest you take a few steps back. scan the newsgroups for 
information about what people in the d community expect from an _ideal_ 
d ide. there were actual a couple threads about this lately. i'm 
confident you  might want to rethink some of your own ideas after 
reading those. ;)

somebody also announced a mini- ide written in d the last days and might 
be looking for help. you can find it here: https://github.com/dnewbie/dpj
Jun 20 2012
parent reply Jimmy Cao <jcao219 gmail.com> writes:
You may want to check out VisualD which is a visual studio addon IDE that
is extremely handy and functional.
On Jun 20, 2012 1:32 PM, "Mirko Pilger" <pilger cymotec.de> wrote:


 I would like to ask if there is any need in writing IDE at this

 moment?


 i would suggest you take a few steps back. scan the newsgroups for
 information about what people in the d community expect from an _ideal_ d
 ide. there were actual a couple threads about this lately. i'm confident
 you  might want to rethink some of your own ideas after reading those. ;)

 somebody also announced a mini- ide written in d the last days and might
 be looking for help. you can find it here: https://github.com/dnewbie/dpj
Jun 20 2012
next sibling parent reply bioinfornatics <bioinfornatics fedoraproject.org> writes:
Le mercredi 20 juin 2012 =C3=A0 14:01 -0500, Jimmy Cao a =C3=A9crit :

 You may want to check out VisualD which is a visual studio addon IDE
 that is extremely handy and functional.
=20
 On Jun 20, 2012 1:32 PM, "Mirko Pilger" <pilger cymotec.de> wrote:
                 I would like to ask if there is any need in writing
                 IDE at this
                 moment?
        =20
         i would suggest you take a few steps back. scan the newsgroups
         for information about what people in the d community expect
         from an _ideal_ d ide. there were actual a couple threads
         about this lately. i'm confident you  might want to rethink
         some of your own ideas after reading those. ;)
        =20
         somebody also announced a mini- ide written in d the last days
         and might be looking for help. you can find it here:
         https://github.com/dnewbie/dpj
        =20
        =20


A D IDE for only windows while D is use by Windows,Apple and Linux is a
really a bad idea

my 2 cents
Jun 20 2012
next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2012-06-20 22:11, bioinfornatics wrote:

 Le mercredi 20 juin 2012 à 14:01 -0500, Jimmy Cao a écrit :

 You may want to check out VisualD which is a visual studio addon IDE
 that is extremely handy and functional.

 On Jun 20, 2012 1:32 PM, "Mirko Pilger"<pilger cymotec.de>  wrote:
                  I would like to ask if there is any need in writing
                  IDE at this
                  moment?

          i would suggest you take a few steps back. scan the newsgroups
          for information about what people in the d community expect
          from an _ideal_ d ide. there were actual a couple threads
          about this lately. i'm confident you  might want to rethink
          some of your own ideas after reading those. ;)

          somebody also announced a mini- ide written in d the last days
          and might be looking for help. you can find it here:
          https://github.com/dnewbie/dpj


 A D IDE for only windows while D is use by Windows,Apple and Linux is a
 really a bad idea

 my 2 cents


DDT, a plugin for Eclipse is an alternative.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jun 20 2012
parent reply "Alexander77" <duzhar googlemail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 20 June 2012 at 21:14:59 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2012-06-20 22:11, bioinfornatics wrote:



 DDT, a plugin for Eclipse is an alternative.


Tried it, but because of little experience with Eclipse I didn't 
manage to install   it.
Jun 21 2012
parent Gyula Gubacsi <gyula.gubacsi gmail.com> writes:
It's easy. Once you have the Eclipse (3.7 is safe to use), you go
Help/Install New Software, and in the first field you add a new update
site: http://ddt.eclipselabs.org.codespot.com/git.updates/

Click the DDT project and OK.
Don't forget to specify the DMD/GDC executable package
(Window/Preferences/DDT/Compilers). On Windows, with DMD you have to give
the path:
 <path-to-dmd-installation>\dmd2\windows\bin\dmd.exe

And it is ready to work! (The compiler doesn't come in bundle so you need
to have DMD installed on your box, which you most likely have already).

I would like to persuade you to have a closer look on the DDT project. It
is cross-platform, and though Eclipse is slow because of Java, it has
everything what a programmer needs. There's a big need for people improving
the DDT project. VisualD is so far the most well equipped IDE, but it is
also a sort of dead-end in cross-platform sense because the underlying IDE
can not be ported to linux/mac.

QtCreator also a good choice (especially if I can get the QtD building on
Linux box :) ).
**
On 21 June 2012 09:40, Alexander77 <duzhar googlemail.com> wrote:


 On Wednesday, 20 June 2012 at 21:14:59 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:


 On 2012-06-20 22:11, bioinfornatics wrote:


  DDT, a plugin for Eclipse is an alternative.


 Tried it, but because of little experience with Eclipse I didn't manage to
 install   it.





 Aug 06 2012



prev sibling next sibling parent  Jimmy Cao <jcao219 gmail.com>  writes:


Sometimes people focus on Windows programming.



2012/6/20 bioinfornatics <bioinfornatics fedoraproject.org>


 Le mercredi 20 juin 2012 =E0 14:01 -0500, Jimmy Cao a =E9crit :

 You may want to check out VisualD which is a visual studio addon IDE
 that is extremely handy and functional.

 On Jun 20, 2012 1:32 PM, "Mirko Pilger" <pilger cymotec.de> wrote:
                 I would like to ask if there is any need in writing
                 IDE at this
                 moment?

         i would suggest you take a few steps back. scan the newsgroups
         for information about what people in the d community expect
         from an _ideal_ d ide. there were actual a couple threads
         about this lately. i'm confident you  might want to rethink
         some of your own ideas after reading those. ;)

         somebody also announced a mini- ide written in d the last days
         and might be looking for help. you can find it here:
         https://github.com/dnewbie/dpj


 A D IDE for only windows while D is use by Windows,Apple and Linux is a
 really a bad idea

 my 2 cents





 Jun 20 2012



prev sibling  parent  Matthias Pleh <benutzer example.com>  writes:


Am 20.06.2012 22:11, schrieb bioinfornatics:

 Le mercredi 20 juin 2012 à 14:01 -0500, Jimmy Cao a écrit :

 You may want to check out VisualD which is a visual studio addon IDE
 that is extremely handy and functional.

 On Jun 20, 2012 1:32 PM, "Mirko Pilger"<pilger cymotec.de>  wrote:
                  I would like to ask if there is any need in writing
                  IDE at this
                  moment?

          i would suggest you take a few steps back. scan the newsgroups
          for information about what people in the d community expect
          from an _ideal_ d ide. there were actual a couple threads
          about this lately. i'm confident you  might want to rethink
          some of your own ideas after reading those. ;)

          somebody also announced a mini- ide written in d the last days
          and might be looking for help. you can find it here:
          https://github.com/dnewbie/dpj


 A D IDE for only windows while D is use by Windows,Apple and Linux is a
 really a bad idea

 my 2 cents


That's not true.


Someone took that codebase, ported it to linux and MonoDevelop was born. 


That's how Open Source works. Someone starts a poject, not what others 
want or need, but rather what the starter of the project want to code on!

my 2 cents



 Jun 21 2012



prev sibling  parent reply "Alexander77" <duzhar googlemail.com>  writes:


On Wednesday, 20 June 2012 at 19:23:17 UTC, Jimmy Cao wrote:

 You may want to check out VisualD which is a visual studio 
 addon IDE that


Yes, I am using it at this moment but it seems not all IDE
functions are working for me. and this is main reason why I want
to write fully-fledged IDE.



 Jun 21 2012



  parent reply dennis luehring <dl.soluz gmx.net>  writes:


Am 21.06.2012 10:39, schrieb Alexander77:

 On Wednesday, 20 June 2012 at 19:23:17 UTC, Jimmy Cao wrote:

 You may want to check out VisualD which is a visual studio
 addon IDE that


 Yes, I am using it at this moment but it seems not all IDE
 functions are working for me. and this is main reason why I want
 to write fully-fledged IDE.


don't talk about it - just do it - and you will see how many months( or 
years) of hard work is needed to get even to the state were VisualD 
currently is

try even to come up with a list of needed features for a better IDE - 
the list will become very long

good luck



 Jun 21 2012



  parent reply "Alexander77" <duzhar googlemail.com>  writes:


On Thursday, 21 June 2012 at 10:58:10 UTC, dennis luehring wrote:

 Am 21.06.2012 10:39, schrieb Alexander77:



 don't talk about it - just do it - and you will see how many 
 months( or years) of hard work is needed to get even to the 
 state were VisualD currently is

 try even to come up with a list of needed features for a better 
 IDE - the list will become very long

 good luck


I have written one fully-functional(auto-complete etc) IDE 
already for VS, It took me a year to finish everything, so I am 
100% aware how much work it will be required to be done. So at 
this moment I am just checking possibilities which IDE to use as 
a base.

Thx.



 Jun 21 2012



  parent reply dennis luehring <dl.soluz gmx.net>  writes:


Am 21.06.2012 13:58, schrieb Alexander77:

 I have written one fully-functional(auto-complete etc) IDE
 already for VS,


you mean a plugin, or? VS itself is the IDE
btw: the buildin debugger of Studio does not work for D stuff - because 
of different Debug-Formats, VisualD got support for pdb-files buildin, 
will also try to come to this state - or just an Editor (which is not an 
IDE)

which programming language does your "IDE" support?


 It took me a year to finish everything, so I am
 100% aware how much work it will be required to be done. So at
 this moment I am just checking possibilities which IDE to use as
 a base.


Why don't you extend VisualD to your needs - or is there something
wrong with the curren D source or licence of VisualD?



 Jun 21 2012



  parent reply "Alexander77" <duzhar googlemail.com>  writes:


On Thursday, 21 June 2012 at 15:14:35 UTC, dennis luehring wrote:

 Am 21.06.2012 13:58, schrieb Alexander77:

 I have written one fully-functional(auto-complete etc) IDE
 already for VS,


 you mean a plugin, or? VS itself is the IDE


I mean a plugin (I don't think there is any need to write IDE 
from beginning)


 btw: the buildin debugger of Studio does not work for D stuff - 
 because of different Debug-Formats, VisualD got support for 
 pdb-files buildin, will also try to come to this state - or 
 just an Editor (which is not an IDE)


yes, I know, I had a look at VisualD already


 which programming language does your "IDE" support?


it supports Unreal Script (Java-like language), of cause it is 
not so complex as D.


 Why don't you extend VisualD to your needs - or is there 
 something
 wrong with the curren D source or licence of VisualD?


No, One of the option is to extend VisualD and other one is using 
Qt Creator as a base for plugin. Only difference that I have 
experience with writing "Language Packages" for VS and do not 
experience with writing a plugin for Qt Creator

But what I really want to find out if there is any need in any 
IDE or people just happy to use a text editor and a command line 
compiler.



 Jun 21 2012



 next sibling parent reply "Kiith-Sa" <42 theanswer.com>  writes:


A Qt Creator based D IDE would be awesome.

It would have to surpass my Vim D config for me to
actually use it, though.

I don't care about Visual Studio (Windows only),
and Eclipse is way too slow.



 Jun 21 2012



  parent reply bioinfornatics <bioinfornatics fedoraproject.org>  writes:


Le jeudi 21 juin 2012 =C3=A0 20:57 +0200, Kiith-Sa a =C3=A9crit :

 A Qt Creator based D IDE would be awesome.
=20
 It would have to surpass my Vim D config for me to
 actually use it, though.
=20
 I don't care about Visual Studio (Windows only),
 and Eclipse is way too slow.
=20
=20


+1 same here now i use geany or vim (with syntatic addons)



 Jun 21 2012



  parent  Andrew Wiley <wiley.andrew.j gmail.com>  writes:


On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM, bioinfornatics
<bioinfornatics fedoraproject.org> wrote:

 Le jeudi 21 juin 2012 =E0 20:57 +0200, Kiith-Sa a =E9crit :

 A Qt Creator based D IDE would be awesome.

 It would have to surpass my Vim D config for me to
 actually use it, though.

 I don't care about Visual Studio (Windows only),
 and Eclipse is way too slow.


 +1 same here now i use geany or vim (with syntatic addons)


Visual Studio has a vim plugin :D



 Jun 21 2012



prev sibling  parent reply "Christian Manning" <cmanning999 gmail.com>  writes:


On Thursday, 21 June 2012 at 15:39:38 UTC, Alexander77 wrote:

 On Thursday, 21 June 2012 at 15:14:35 UTC, dennis luehring 
 wrote:

 Am 21.06.2012 13:58, schrieb Alexander77:

 I have written one fully-functional(auto-complete etc) IDE
 already for VS,


 you mean a plugin, or? VS itself is the IDE


 I mean a plugin (I don't think there is any need to write IDE 
 from beginning)


 btw: the buildin debugger of Studio does not work for D stuff 
 - because of different Debug-Formats, VisualD got support for 
 pdb-files buildin, will also try to come to this state - or 
 just an Editor (which is not an IDE)


 yes, I know, I had a look at VisualD already


 which programming language does your "IDE" support?


 it supports Unreal Script (Java-like language), of cause it is 
 not so complex as D.


 Why don't you extend VisualD to your needs - or is there 
 something
 wrong with the curren D source or licence of VisualD?


 No, One of the option is to extend VisualD and other one is 
 using Qt Creator as a base for plugin. Only difference that I 
 have experience with writing "Language Packages" for VS and do 
 not experience with writing a plugin for Qt Creator

 But what I really want to find out if there is any need in any 
 IDE or people just happy to use a text editor and a command 
 line compiler.


Qt Creator is hands down the best IDE I've used for C++ so D 
support in it would be incredible!

I've never seen a language plugin for it though



 Jun 22 2012



  parent reply "Alexander77" <duzhar googlemail.com>  writes:


On Friday, 22 June 2012 at 11:37:51 UTC, Christian Manning wrote:


 I've never seen a language plugin for it though


"
Extend Qt Creator
Even though Qt Creator and Eclipse are different tools written in 
different programming languages, they still share the approach of 
adding all the functionality by plugins. So, from that point of 
view Qt Creator and Eclipse can be seen more as plugin frameworks 
instead of IDEs.
"

I hope it is possible to do.



 Jun 22 2012



  parent reply "nazriel" <damian dzfl.pl>  writes:


On Friday, 22 June 2012 at 13:48:03 UTC, Alexander77 wrote:

 On Friday, 22 June 2012 at 11:37:51 UTC, Christian Manning 
 wrote:


 I've never seen a language plugin for it though


 "
 Extend Qt Creator
 Even though Qt Creator and Eclipse are different tools written 
 in different programming languages, they still share the 
 approach of adding all the functionality by plugins. So, from 
 that point of view Qt Creator and Eclipse can be seen more as 
 plugin frameworks instead of IDEs.
 "

 I hope it is possible to do.


I currently use Mono-D (MonoDevelop addin) and it works really, 
really good.
Probably I don't need anything else but...

But idea about QtCreator + D is really awesome!
I find QtCreator to be one of the best IDEs I used for C++



 Jun 25 2012



  parent reply "Henning Pohl" <henning still-hidden.de>  writes:


On Monday, 25 June 2012 at 16:28:36 UTC, nazriel wrote:

 I currently use Mono-D (MonoDevelop addin) and it works really, 
 really good.
 Probably I don't need anything else but...

 But idea about QtCreator + D is really awesome!
 I find QtCreator to be one of the best IDEs I used for C++


I've also used Qt Creator for a long time, it's a really great 
IDE with built-in CMake support and debugger. In addition it is 
very fast, maybe I can make myself writing a plugin if there are 
many ppl after it.



 Jul 19 2012



  parent reply "nazriel" <spam dzfl.pl>  writes:


On Thursday, 19 July 2012 at 20:02:59 UTC, Henning Pohl wrote:

 On Monday, 25 June 2012 at 16:28:36 UTC, nazriel wrote:

 I currently use Mono-D (MonoDevelop addin) and it works 
 really, really good.
 Probably I don't need anything else but...

 But idea about QtCreator + D is really awesome!
 I find QtCreator to be one of the best IDEs I used for C++


 I've also used Qt Creator for a long time, it's a really great 
 IDE with built-in CMake support and debugger. In addition it is 
 very fast, maybe I can make myself writing a plugin if there 
 are many ppl after it.


I would play with it for sure.



 Jul 21 2012



  parent  "Jeff" <urieal gmail.com>  writes:


On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 05:26:22 UTC, nazriel wrote:

 On Thursday, 19 July 2012 at 20:02:59 UTC, Henning Pohl wrote:

 On Monday, 25 June 2012 at 16:28:36 UTC, nazriel wrote:

 I currently use Mono-D (MonoDevelop addin) and it works 
 really, really good.
 Probably I don't need anything else but...

 But idea about QtCreator + D is really awesome!
 I find QtCreator to be one of the best IDEs I used for C++


 I've also used Qt Creator for a long time, it's a really great 
 IDE with built-in CMake support and debugger. In addition it 
 is very fast, maybe I can make myself writing a plugin if 
 there are many ppl after it.


 I would play with it for sure.


I'd be interested as well...



 Jul 26 2012



prev sibling  parent reply "alex" <info alexanderbothe.com>  writes:


On Wednesday, 20 June 2012 at 16:06:22 UTC, Alexander77 wrote:

 Hi Guys

 I started learning D language and I am so happy that it is so

 IDE for D language yet. And I would like to spend my time to
 write one, I was thinking about using Visual Studio or Qt 
 Creator
 for it.

 I would like to ask if there is any need in writing IDE at this
 moment?

 P.S. I already have experience writing IDE in Visaul Studio (as
 example have a look at full-fledged)


I am developing the Mono-D addin for MonoDevelop. Thanks nazriel 
for mentioning Mono-D ;)!
The development is quite interesting but time intensive. Code 
completion for most syntax cases and many other things are there 

- come on join me developing a very promising project :)

http://mono-d.alexanderbothe.com
https://github.com/aBothe/Mono-d
https://github.com/aBothe/D_Parser

Oh and there's a very small IDE called D-IDE that I'm developing, 
too - it's based on SharpDevelop components and is extended more 
and more. It contains the same code completion capabilities as 
Mono-D does due to a shared Parser library base + couple of 
debugging features.

http://d-ide.sourceforge.net
https://github.com/aBothe/D-IDE



 Aug 10 2012



 next sibling parent  "Brad" <fraksworld hotmail.com>  writes:


What about Sublime Text? That is a really awesome editor with the 
ability to write plug-in functionality.

CodeBlocks already supports D, I like that as its free in cost 
and open source.

I dont think QT Creator is a good idea because Nokia fired the 
entire QT staff and recently sold QT to a small statup company. 
So QT's future is still unsure.



 Aug 11 2012



prev sibling  parent reply "Henning Pohl" <henning still-hidden.de>  writes:


On Saturday, 11 August 2012 at 00:39:17 UTC, alex wrote:

 I am developing the Mono-D addin for MonoDevelop. Thanks 
 nazriel for mentioning Mono-D ;)!
 The development is quite interesting but time intensive. Code 
 completion for most syntax cases and many other things are 

 interested - come on join me developing a very promising 
 project :)

 http://mono-d.alexanderbothe.com
 https://github.com/aBothe/Mono-d
 https://github.com/aBothe/D_Parser

 Oh and there's a very small IDE called D-IDE that I'm 
 developing, too - it's based on SharpDevelop components and is 
 extended more and more. It contains the same code completion 
 capabilities as Mono-D does due to a shared Parser library base 
 + couple of debugging features.

 http://d-ide.sourceforge.net
 https://github.com/aBothe/D-IDE


The problem is that the IDE I need has to support both D and 
CMake. QtCreator has good CMake support and debugging facilities 
and some basic syntax highlighting. So I'm thinking of creating a 
plugin for some more editing features.

MonoDevelop doesn't support CMake, does it? I would switch to it 
when it would.



 Aug 13 2012



  parent reply "alex" <info alexanderbothe.com>  writes:


On Monday, 13 August 2012 at 07:18:07 UTC, Henning Pohl wrote:

 On Saturday, 11 August 2012 at 00:39:17 UTC, alex wrote:

 I am developing the Mono-D addin for MonoDevelop. Thanks 
 nazriel for mentioning Mono-D ;)!
 The development is quite interesting but time intensive. Code 
 completion for most syntax cases and many other things are 

 interested - come on join me developing a very promising 
 project :)

 http://mono-d.alexanderbothe.com
 https://github.com/aBothe/Mono-d
 https://github.com/aBothe/D_Parser

 Oh and there's a very small IDE called D-IDE that I'm 
 developing, too - it's based on SharpDevelop components and is 
 extended more and more. It contains the same code completion 
 capabilities as Mono-D does due to a shared Parser library 
 base + couple of debugging features.

 http://d-ide.sourceforge.net
 https://github.com/aBothe/D-IDE


 The problem is that the IDE I need has to support both D and 
 CMake. QtCreator has good CMake support and debugging 
 facilities and some basic syntax highlighting. So I'm thinking 
 of creating a plugin for some more editing features.

 MonoDevelop doesn't support CMake, does it? I would switch to 
 it when it would.


CMake? So the classical makefile support? No, but I guess that it 
was no problem to implement this feature. Besides, why should it 
support this whereas Mono-D itself delivers a relatively stable 
build system already?



 Aug 13 2012



  parent reply "Henning Pohl" <henning still-hidden.de>  writes:


On Monday, 13 August 2012 at 10:35:38 UTC, alex wrote:

 On Monday, 13 August 2012 at 07:18:07 UTC, Henning Pohl wrote:

 On Saturday, 11 August 2012 at 00:39:17 UTC, alex wrote:

 I am developing the Mono-D addin for MonoDevelop. Thanks 
 nazriel for mentioning Mono-D ;)!
 The development is quite interesting but time intensive. Code 
 completion for most syntax cases and many other things are 

 interested - come on join me developing a very promising 
 project :)

 http://mono-d.alexanderbothe.com
 https://github.com/aBothe/Mono-d
 https://github.com/aBothe/D_Parser

 Oh and there's a very small IDE called D-IDE that I'm 
 developing, too - it's based on SharpDevelop components and 
 is extended more and more. It contains the same code 
 completion capabilities as Mono-D does due to a shared Parser 
 library base + couple of debugging features.

 http://d-ide.sourceforge.net
 https://github.com/aBothe/D-IDE


 The problem is that the IDE I need has to support both D and 
 CMake. QtCreator has good CMake support and debugging 
 facilities and some basic syntax highlighting. So I'm thinking 
 of creating a plugin for some more editing features.

 MonoDevelop doesn't support CMake, does it? I would switch to 
 it when it would.


 CMake? So the classical makefile support? No, but I guess that 
 it was no problem to implement this feature. Besides, why 
 should it support this whereas Mono-D itself delivers a 
 relatively stable build system already?


I believe in CMake as the only cross-platform build system that 
supports easy use of external libraries. There are many scripts 
out there to find specific libraries to automatically include and 
link them.

Many well-known applications and libraries use CMake: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMake#Notable_applications

I would really appreciate if any D plugin for any IDE would 
support CMake. And QtCreator already supports CMake so it is my 
IDE of choice right now.



 Aug 13 2012



  parent  "Suliman" <evermind live.ru>  writes:


Please, look at http://www.dsource.org/projects/poseidon/

maybe you would interesting in continue of developing this IDE...



 Aug 16 2012