• Bruce Adams <tortoise_74 yeah.who.co.uk> Nov 20 2007
• Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> Nov 20 2007
• Oskar Linde <oskar.lindeREM OVEgmail.com> Nov 20 2007
• jcc7 <technocrat7 gmail.com> Nov 20 2007

Bruce Adams <tortoise_74 yeah.who.co.uk> writes:

David Wilson Wrote:

 
 In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't involve a
 web interface. Mail/news only please. :D
 



Regards,

Bruce.

Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:

Bruce Adams wrote:
 David Wilson Wrote:
 
 In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't involve a
 web interface. Mail/news only please. :D


 
 Regards,
 
 Bruce.


Was the double-posting intentional, there? ;-)

--bb

Oskar Linde <oskar.lindeREM OVEgmail.com> writes:

Bruce Adams wrote:
 David Wilson Wrote:
 
 In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't involve a
 web interface. Mail/news only please. :D




Copy pasting another post of mine earlier. Seems #2 might be fixed since 
then though.

Posting with the web interface results in posts that violates at least
five de facto rules documented in mail and news related RFCs:

1. (This is the most serious, as it breaks threading) Generated replies
do not contain the required "References" and "In-Reply-To" header
fields. Thunderbird seems to fall back on some heuristic. In other
readers, the threads simply break. (Ironically, even Web-News fails
to thread it's own messages...?) (RFC1036 says '[When replying, ] the
"References" line is required')

2. A space is placed after the quote character (>) even when the next
character is a quote, breaking quoting more than one level deep.
(RFC3676 states that a space before a '>' at the start of a line means
that the '>' should be treated literally as a '>' character and not as a
quoting marker. This is called "space stuffing".)

3. Messages are posted as 8-bit without any charset specification. This
is hardly a good practice and not within any standard.

4. More seriously, some message headers (From and Subject) are generated
with non-ASCII characters (no charset or mime compliant encoding is
used) (Violates RFC(2)822 and extensions)

5. Long lines are not broken at 78 characters or less. (Violates RFC3676
and recommended practice)

-- 
Oskar

jcc7 <technocrat7 gmail.com> writes:

== Quote from Oskar Linde (oskar.lindeREM OVEgmail.com)'s article
 Bruce Adams wrote:
 David Wilson Wrote:

 In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't
 involve a web interface. Mail/news only please. :D


 but it is very convenient (posting from it now).


 Copy pasting another post of mine earlier. Seems #2 might be fixed
 since then though.


By the way, here's the link to the original message:
http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D&article_id=47211

My response to the original message:
http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D&article_id=47224

I mentioned that both Web-News and pnews (an web interface, but it's still
available) are open source (and both are written in PHP), so we might be able to
fix some or all of these problems. (But I guess no one has shown interest in
doing
that yet. I know I have other things I'd rather do.)

By the way, I've been using pnews to make my replies from the web since it
doesn't
seem to "break threads" in the same way that Web-News does.

There are other disadvantages to the web interfaces, too:
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?NewsDmD#DisadvantagestotheWebInterface
but newsgroup readers aren't always available on a particular computer.