• Walter Bright (26/26) May 09 2009 Occasionally people ask what they can do to help promote D. All these
• Saaa (4/4) May 10 2009 The problem I have explaining why somebody should take up D is that I kn...
• Jesse Phillips (7/11) May 10 2009 It looks to me that Walter's points aren't about convincing people to us...
• Walter Bright (7/9) May 10 2009 That's right. It's called "social proof".
• Saaa (2/12) May 10 2009
• Jesse Phillips (6/9) May 10 2009 Just keep your answers simple...
• hasen (6/21) May 10 2009 I know a language K that compiles to native code, why don't you use it
• grauzone (3/26) May 10 2009 Where can I find this K language? I think it's not
• hasen (2/30) May 11 2009 hehe, it's just a joke man
• Jesse Phillips (3/27) May 11 2009 Who said anything about convincing you? You asked why I used it, not why...
• hasen (4/16) May 10 2009 Social proof eh? hmm interesting. That's why I decided to learn vim, not...
• Andrei Alexandrescu (4/21) May 10 2009 Absolutely. Some of the best dating advice I've ever got: just be yourse...
• Nick Sabalausky (6/27) May 10 2009 I think "The 'if-others-are-doing-it-then-it-*must*-be-right' Fallacy" i...
• BCS (3/8) May 10 2009 It marketing. Why do you expect them to lable it correctly? (Rule of Acq...
• hasen (4/34) May 10 2009 More like "then for all I know it's *probably* right"
• Georg Wrede (2/4) May 11 2009 Hell, I always thought they only google them up when needed!
• Georg Wrede (3/7) May 11 2009 Social proof is covertly self-referential.

Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:

Occasionally people ask what they can do to help promote D. All these 
are free and effective:

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Use it for your projects. At work, point out how much more productive it is.

Write articles/blogs about your experiences using D.

Submit patches for better D support for gnu tools like gdb.

Give a presentation on D at your local programmers' club meeting.

Give a presentation on D at your place of employment, or to your class 
at school.

Submit presentation abstracts on D to conferences. The nice thing is 
that if your abstract is accepted, you'll get a free ticket to the 
conference and maybe even get your travel expenses paid! Well worth while.

Read programming articles and if they don't mention D, but should, email 
the author and point it out.

Make relevant comments about D on programming threads on Reddit, 
Slashdot, Gamedev.net, stackoverflow, ycombinator, etc.

Promote open source D applications that you or others have written.

Email tool vendors and ask for D support.

Email web sites that have categories for programming languages that 
don't include D, and ask for a D category.

Improve Wikipedia pages that mention D. Add mention of D to Wiki pages 
that should mention it. If you know another language, translate the D 
Wiki pages to the Wiki for that language.

Email prolific programming book authors and suggest that they do a book 
on D programming.

Email programming book publishers and ask for books about D.

"Saaa" <empty needmail.com> writes:

The problem I have explaining why somebody should take up D is that I know 
not enough about the languages they use to actually show them the things 
they are missing. Sometimes it is the, for me, obvious feature like 
functions within functions that tilts their heads a bit. 

Jesse Phillips <jessekphillips gmail.com> writes:

On Sun, 10 May 2009 09:27:49 +0200, Saaa wrote:

 The problem I have explaining why somebody should take up D is that I
 know not enough about the languages they use to actually show them the
 things they are missing. Sometimes it is the, for me, obvious feature
 like functions within functions that tilts their heads a bit.

It looks to me that Walter's points aren't about convincing people to use 
it, but to show that you are using it, that there are customers.

Convincing people to use your language rarely works. If they needed a 
different language they would have found one. Funny thing is I like 
looking at different languages and so does my friend, but neither of us 
actually tried the other's language.

Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:

Jesse Phillips wrote:
 It looks to me that Walter's points aren't about convincing people to use 
 it, but to show that you are using it, that there are customers.

That's right. It's called "social proof". 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Proof

Apple, for example, uses social proof as the central theme in its 
marketing campaigns.

Back in the 1970's, Dr. Pepper hilariously used social proof in their 
oxymoronic campaign "join the non-conformists!"

"Saaa" <empty needmail.com> writes:

So, what language do you use?
 D

Ok.. why?
 (Runs away)


 It looks to me that Walter's points aren't about convincing people to use 
 it, but to show that you are using it, that there are customers.

 That's right. It's called "social proof". 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Proof

 Apple, for example, uses social proof as the central theme in its 
 marketing campaigns.

 Back in the 1970's, Dr. Pepper hilariously used social proof in their 
 oxymoronic campaign "join the non-conformists!" 

Jesse Phillips <jessekphillips gmail.com> writes:

On Mon, 11 May 2009 04:48:16 +0200, Saaa wrote:

 So, what language do you use?
 D

 Ok.. why?

Just keep your answers simple...

"It compiles to machine code."

"Why not C++"

"It is safer, less complex"

Let the person interested probe for answers they want answers to.

hasen <hasan.aljudy gmail.com> writes:

Jesse Phillips wrote:
 On Mon, 11 May 2009 04:48:16 +0200, Saaa wrote:
 
 So, what language do you use?
 D

 Ok.. why?

 
 Just keep your answers simple...
 
 "It compiles to machine code."
 
 "Why not C++"
 
 "It is safer, less complex"
 
 Let the person interested probe for answers they want answers to.

I know a language K that compiles to native code, why don't you use it 
for this really important project? It's safer than C++, and less 
complex, really! (by definition, nothing can be more complicated than C++)

I hope you're now convinced to try out my K language, read all the 
documentation, oh and btw, it's not well organized, good luck!

grauzone <none example.net> writes:

hasen wrote:
 Jesse Phillips wrote:
 On Mon, 11 May 2009 04:48:16 +0200, Saaa wrote:

 So, what language do you use?
 D

 Ok.. why?

 Just keep your answers simple...

 "It compiles to machine code."

 "Why not C++"

 "It is safer, less complex"

 Let the person interested probe for answers they want answers to.

 
 I know a language K that compiles to native code, why don't you use it 
 for this really important project? It's safer than C++, and less 
 complex, really! (by definition, nothing can be more complicated than C++)
 
 I hope you're now convinced to try out my K language, read all the 
 documentation, oh and btw, it's not well organized, good luck!

Where can I find this K language? I think it's not 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_(programming_language)

hasen <hasan.aljudy gmail.com> writes:

grauzone wrote:
 hasen wrote:
 Jesse Phillips wrote:
 On Mon, 11 May 2009 04:48:16 +0200, Saaa wrote:

 So, what language do you use?
 D

 Ok.. why?

 Just keep your answers simple...

 "It compiles to machine code."

 "Why not C++"

 "It is safer, less complex"

 Let the person interested probe for answers they want answers to.

 I know a language K that compiles to native code, why don't you use it 
 for this really important project? It's safer than C++, and less 
 complex, really! (by definition, nothing can be more complicated than 
 C++)

 I hope you're now convinced to try out my K language, read all the 
 documentation, oh and btw, it's not well organized, good luck!

 
 Where can I find this K language? I think it's not 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_(programming_language)

hehe, it's just a joke man

Jesse Phillips <jessekphillips gmail.com> writes:

On Mon, 11 May 2009 00:25:52 -0600, hasen wrote:

 Jesse Phillips wrote:
 On Mon, 11 May 2009 04:48:16 +0200, Saaa wrote:
 
 So, what language do you use?
 D

 Ok.. why?

 
 Just keep your answers simple...
 
 "It compiles to machine code."
 
 "Why not C++"
 
 "It is safer, less complex"
 
 Let the person interested probe for answers they want answers to.

 
 I know a language K that compiles to native code, why don't you use it
 for this really important project? It's safer than C++, and less
 complex, really! (by definition, nothing can be more complicated than
 C++)
 
 I hope you're now convinced to try out my K language, read all the
 documentation, oh and btw, it's not well organized, good luck!

Who said anything about convincing you? You asked why I used it, not why 
you should use it.

hasen <hasan.aljudy gmail.com> writes:

Walter Bright wrote:
 Jesse Phillips wrote:
 It looks to me that Walter's points aren't about convincing people to 
 use it, but to show that you are using it, that there are customers.

 
 That's right. It's called "social proof". 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Proof
 
 Apple, for example, uses social proof as the central theme in its 
 marketing campaigns.
 
 Back in the 1970's, Dr. Pepper hilariously used social proof in their 
 oxymoronic campaign "join the non-conformists!"

Social proof eh? hmm interesting. That's why I decided to learn vim, not 
because I felt or thought I needed to, but because it *seemed* that 
/real/ programmers use vim. You know what I mean?

Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:

hasen wrote:
 Walter Bright wrote:
 Jesse Phillips wrote:
 It looks to me that Walter's points aren't about convincing people to 
 use it, but to show that you are using it, that there are customers.

 That's right. It's called "social proof". 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Proof

 Apple, for example, uses social proof as the central theme in its 
 marketing campaigns.

 Back in the 1970's, Dr. Pepper hilariously used social proof in their 
 oxymoronic campaign "join the non-conformists!"

 
 Social proof eh? hmm interesting. That's why I decided to learn vim, not 
 because I felt or thought I needed to, but because it *seemed* that 
 /real/ programmers use vim. You know what I mean?

Absolutely. Some of the best dating advice I've ever got: just be yourself.

No, I was kidding :o). It was: be seen with women. It's social proof.


Andrei

"Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:

"Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message 
news:gu89ev$jq8$1 digitalmars.com...
 hasen wrote:
 Walter Bright wrote:
 Jesse Phillips wrote:
 It looks to me that Walter's points aren't about convincing people to 
 use it, but to show that you are using it, that there are customers.

 That's right. It's called "social proof". 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Proof

 Apple, for example, uses social proof as the central theme in its 
 marketing campaigns.

 Back in the 1970's, Dr. Pepper hilariously used social proof in their 
 oxymoronic campaign "join the non-conformists!"

 Social proof eh? hmm interesting. That's why I decided to learn vim, not 
 because I felt or thought I needed to, but because it *seemed* that 
 /real/ programmers use vim. You know what I mean?

 Absolutely. Some of the best dating advice I've ever got: just be 
 yourself.

 No, I was kidding :o). It was: be seen with women. It's social proof.

I think "The 'if-others-are-doing-it-then-it-*must*-be-right' Fallacy" is 
probably a much more accurate term for "social proof". I realize "social 
proof" is the typical term for it, but calling it that just seems like 
trying to call the ad hominem fallacy "associative proof".

BCS <none anon.com> writes:

Hello Nick,

 I think "The 'if-others-are-doing-it-then-it-*must*-be-right' Fallacy"
 is probably a much more accurate term for "social proof". I realize
 "social proof" is the typical term for it, but calling it that just
 seems like trying to call the ad hominem fallacy "associative proof".
 

It marketing. Why do you expect them to lable it correctly? (Rule of
Acquisition 
239)

hasen <hasan.aljudy gmail.com> writes:

Nick Sabalausky wrote:
 "Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message 
 news:gu89ev$jq8$1 digitalmars.com...
 hasen wrote:
 Walter Bright wrote:
 Jesse Phillips wrote:
 It looks to me that Walter's points aren't about convincing people to 
 use it, but to show that you are using it, that there are customers.

 That's right. It's called "social proof". 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Proof

 Apple, for example, uses social proof as the central theme in its 
 marketing campaigns.

 Back in the 1970's, Dr. Pepper hilariously used social proof in their 
 oxymoronic campaign "join the non-conformists!"

 Social proof eh? hmm interesting. That's why I decided to learn vim, not 
 because I felt or thought I needed to, but because it *seemed* that 
 /real/ programmers use vim. You know what I mean?

 Absolutely. Some of the best dating advice I've ever got: just be 
 yourself.

 No, I was kidding :o). It was: be seen with women. It's social proof.

 
 I think "The 'if-others-are-doing-it-then-it-*must*-be-right' Fallacy" is 
 probably a much more accurate term for "social proof". I realize "social 
 proof" is the typical term for it, but calling it that just seems like 
 trying to call the ad hominem fallacy "associative proof".
 
 

More like "then for all I know it's *probably* right"

Like: if everyone here uses buzz words and jargon like ad hominem then I 
better learn this jargon to be considered smart.

Georg Wrede <georg.wrede iki.fi> writes:

hasen wrote:
 Like: if everyone here uses buzz words and jargon like ad hominem then I 
 better learn this jargon to be considered smart.

Hell, I always thought they only google them up when needed!

Georg Wrede <georg.wrede iki.fi> writes:

Nick Sabalausky wrote:
 I think "The 'if-others-are-doing-it-then-it-*must*-be-right' Fallacy" is 
 probably a much more accurate term for "social proof". I realize "social 
 proof" is the typical term for it, but calling it that just seems like 
 trying to call the ad hominem fallacy "associative proof".

Social proof is covertly self-referential.

And the word 'proof' here is used just as they would.