digitalmars.D - Officially moving to MediaWiki?
- David Nadlinger (22/22) Dec 08 2012 The topic has been discussed extensively a short while ago, so
- Maxim Fomin (10/32) Dec 08 2012 I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, but
- Paulo Pinto (6/41) Dec 08 2012 Well, most of the content on the current Wiki is dead from what I can
- Jacob Carlborg (4/6) Dec 09 2012 I think the Library and Frameworks section could be fleshed out.
- David Nadlinger (12/17) Dec 09 2012 My idea here is that once we have officially decided that we want
- Jacob Carlborg (5/15) Dec 09 2012 I think we should put it in an archive section. Someone might want to
- Jonathan M Davis (14/20) Dec 09 2012 So, basically it's the KDE 4 argument. If we don't move to it (or releas...
- =?UTF-8?B?TWFyaXVzeiBHbGl3acWEc2tp?= (7/14) Dec 09 2012 I agree there's a lot to improve, but i tried to port everything i found...
- Maxim Fomin (8/24) Dec 09 2012 Are you actually asking to make Vladimir's wikisite accessible at
- David Nadlinger (5/7) Dec 09 2012 Update: It actually is reachable under wiki.dlang.org now.
- Maxim Fomin (7/14) Dec 09 2012 Well, this is unexpected. I remember there were requests for more
- Andrei Alexandrescu (6/23) Dec 09 2012 Apologies, Walter and I discussed this a while ago with Vladimir and our...
- David Nadlinger (5/7) Dec 09 2012 Well, given that he is acknowledged at the bottom of
- =?UTF-8?B?TWFyaXVzeiBHbGl3acWEc2tp?= (6/10) Dec 09 2012 When mediawiki would appear as wiki under dlang.org community section,
- Maxim Fomin (5/16) Dec 09 2012 Agree, but I was not intended to move mediawiki setups: I found
- David Nadlinger (5/8) Dec 09 2012 Just to be sure this is clear: Vladimir has generously agreed to
- David Nadlinger (6/9) Dec 09 2012 I think these pages are mostly the result of playing around with
The topic has been discussed extensively a short while ago, so I'll keep this short: As you will probably remember, Vladimir Panteleev has kindly agreed to set up a MediaWiki instance, meant to replace the current D wiki at prowiki.org. It is reachable at http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Main_Page, and several people have actively been adding content to it already (thanks a lot!). In my opinion, it is already much more inviting than the old wiki. The next logical step would be to officially adopt it as the D wiki, i.e. make wiki.dlang.org point to it and change the links on dlang.org accordingly. So, the question is, what is stopping us from doing that right now? Is there anything important missing? [1] At this point, the MediaWiki instance still has slightly less content, but I think this will quickly change once it has received the official blessing. Besides that, it will probably be a good idea to keep around the old one as an archive anyway, at least for a short while. David [1] The DIPs have not been moved yet, but that's in order to avoid confusion regarding the official source.
Dec 08 2012
On Saturday, 8 December 2012 at 23:52:48 UTC, David Nadlinger wrote:The topic has been discussed extensively a short while ago, so I'll keep this short: As you will probably remember, Vladimir Panteleev has kindly agreed to set up a MediaWiki instance, meant to replace the current D wiki at prowiki.org. It is reachable at http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Main_Page, and several people have actively been adding content to it already (thanks a lot!). In my opinion, it is already much more inviting than the old wiki. The next logical step would be to officially adopt it as the D wiki, i.e. make wiki.dlang.org point to it and change the links on dlang.org accordingly. So, the question is, what is stopping us from doing that right now? Is there anything important missing? [1] At this point, the MediaWiki instance still has slightly less content, but I think this will quickly change once it has received the official blessing. Besides that, it will probably be a good idea to keep around the old one as an archive anyway, at least for a short while. David [1] The DIPs have not been moved yet, but that's in order to avoid confusion regarding the official source.I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, but new site is just almost empty (http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/?title=Special:RecentChanges&day =30&from=&limit=500 see also http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Special:AllPages) and some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those who are seeking language technical details.
Dec 08 2012
Am 09.12.2012 07:13, schrieb Maxim Fomin:On Saturday, 8 December 2012 at 23:52:48 UTC, David Nadlinger wrote:Well, most of the content on the current Wiki is dead from what I can understand in our forum discussions. So the question is how much of the *real* content is still missing? -- PauloThe topic has been discussed extensively a short while ago, so I'll keep this short: As you will probably remember, Vladimir Panteleev has kindly agreed to set up a MediaWiki instance, meant to replace the current D wiki at prowiki.org. It is reachable at http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Main_Page, and several people have actively been adding content to it already (thanks a lot!). In my opinion, it is already much more inviting than the old wiki. The next logical step would be to officially adopt it as the D wiki, i.e. make wiki.dlang.org point to it and change the links on dlang.org accordingly. So, the question is, what is stopping us from doing that right now? Is there anything important missing? [1] At this point, the MediaWiki instance still has slightly less content, but I think this will quickly change once it has received the official blessing. Besides that, it will probably be a good idea to keep around the old one as an archive anyway, at least for a short while. David [1] The DIPs have not been moved yet, but that's in order to avoid confusion regarding the official source.I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, but new site is just almost empty (http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500 see also http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Special:AllPages) and some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those who are seeking language technical details.
Dec 08 2012
On 2012-12-09 08:19, Paulo Pinto wrote:Well, most of the content on the current Wiki is dead from what I can understand in our forum discussions.I think the Library and Frameworks section could be fleshed out. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Dec 09 2012
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 11:32:57 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:On 2012-12-09 08:19, Paulo Pinto wrote:My idea here is that once we have officially decided that we want to go forward with the new wiki, everybody would just add their own favorite libraries there. Of course, we could already do this _now_ in theory, but I think the chance of this happening, even if it just takes five minutes, is small as long as the new wiki is nothing but a experiment somebody put up on his own domain. Regarding content missing from the new wiki, I doubt that it makes sense to migrate the complete set of pages (e.g. the list of libraries) from Prowiki – many are just plain outdated, and we could take this as an opportunity to get rid of the cruft. DavidWell, most of the content on the current Wiki is dead from what I can understand in our forum discussions.I think the Library and Frameworks section could be fleshed out.
Dec 09 2012
On 2012-12-09 13:12, David Nadlinger wrote:My idea here is that once we have officially decided that we want to go forward with the new wiki, everybody would just add their own favorite libraries there. Of course, we could already do this _now_ in theory, but I think the chance of this happening, even if it just takes five minutes, is small as long as the new wiki is nothing but a experiment somebody put up on his own domain. Regarding content missing from the new wiki, I doubt that it makes sense to migrate the complete set of pages (e.g. the list of libraries) from Prowiki – many are just plain outdated, and we could take this as an opportunity to get rid of the cruft.I think we should put it in an archive section. Someone might want to revive an old library. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Dec 09 2012
On Sunday, December 09, 2012 13:12:48 David Nadlinger wrote:My idea here is that once we have officially decided that we want to go forward with the new wiki, everybody would just add their own favorite libraries there. Of course, we could already do this _now_ in theory, but I think the chance of this happening, even if it just takes five minutes, is small as long as the new wiki is nothing but a experiment somebody put up on his own domain.So, basically it's the KDE 4 argument. If we don't move to it (or release it, in the case of KDE 4), no one will actually move their stuff to it, and we'll never get anywhere, but if we do, then what we have isn't good enough until they've actually moved their stuff to it. :) Personally, I pretty much never use the wiki. I almost always forget that it even exists. So, I don't really care if there's a transition period where our official wiki is rather sparse. But if the links and page rankings generally go to the old wiki, it'll take a while for the new one to have that much traffic anyway, so having it be initially sparse isn't really a problem except for those who actually go to the wiki on a regular basis and would have some clue what is going on. Those who arrive at it via searching or go infrequently would be essentially unaffected. - Jonathan M Davis
Dec 09 2012
W dniu 2012-12-09 07:13, Maxim Fomin pisze:I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, but new site is just almost empty (http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/?title=Special:RecentChanges&day =30&from=&limit=500 see also http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Special:AllPages) and some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those who are seeking language technical details.I agree there's a lot to improve, but i tried to port everything i found and which didn't looked outdated for me. Another thing is, as someone mentioned before, that i don't want to spend too much time on something that is may not be even seen publicly. Could you point out why old wiki is better than new one in its current state?
Dec 09 2012
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 13:03:02 UTC, Mariusz Gliwiński wrote:W dniu 2012-12-09 07:13, Maxim Fomin pisze:Are you actually asking to make Vladimir's wikisite accessible at wiki.dlang.org (or moving its database to mediawiki instance located at wiki.dlang.org)? Probably this is a good idea even assuming that the site is just almost empty - it can be incentive to participate in it.I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, but new site is just almost empty (http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/?title=Special:RecentChanges&day =30&from=&limit=500 see also http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Special:AllPages) and some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those who are seeking language technical details.I agree there's a lot to improve, but i tried to port everything i found and which didn't looked outdated for me. Another thing is, as someone mentioned before, that i don't want to spend too much time on something that is may not be even seen publicly.Could you point out why old wiki is better than new one in its current state?I didn't tell this.
Dec 09 2012
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 13:21:26 UTC, Maxim Fomin wrote:Are you actually asking to make Vladimir's wikisite accessible at wiki.dlang.orgUpdate: It actually is reachable under wiki.dlang.org now. So, let's work on getting it ready on prime time, and then flip the switch, i.e. the dlang.org Wiki links. David
Dec 09 2012
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 16:48:02 UTC, David Nadlinger wrote:On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 13:21:26 UTC, Maxim Fomin wrote:Well, this is unexpected. I remember there were requests for more official domain name like wiki.dlang.org but I do not remember announcement that this actually was done. By the way, this a good opportunity for me to figure out last question regarding D community - who owns and admins dlang.org (I know how its content is generated)?Are you actually asking to make Vladimir's wikisite accessible at wiki.dlang.orgUpdate: It actually is reachable under wiki.dlang.org now. So, let's work on getting it ready on prime time, and then flip the switch, i.e. the dlang.org Wiki links. David
Dec 09 2012
On 12/9/12 12:12 PM, Maxim Fomin wrote:On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 16:48:02 UTC, David Nadlinger wrote:Apologies, Walter and I discussed this a while ago with Vladimir and our hosting provider.On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 13:21:26 UTC, Maxim Fomin wrote:Well, this is unexpected. I remember there were requests for more official domain name like wiki.dlang.org but I do not remember announcement that this actually was done.Are you actually asking to make Vladimir's wikisite accessible at wiki.dlang.orgUpdate: It actually is reachable under wiki.dlang.org now. So, let's work on getting it ready on prime time, and then flip the switch, i.e. the dlang.org Wiki links. DavidBy the way, this a good opportunity for me to figure out last question regarding D community - who owns and admins dlang.org (I know how its content is generated)?Walter is the owner. I have some rights to push content as well. We have a private host provider and admin (not sure whether I can give the name). Andrei
Dec 09 2012
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 18:56:13 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:We have a private host provider and admin (not sure whether I can give the name).Well, given that he is acknowledged at the bottom of digitalmars.com… ;) David
Dec 09 2012
W dniu 2012-12-09 14:21, Maxim Fomin pisze:Are you actually asking to make Vladimir's wikisite accessible at wiki.dlang.org (or moving its database to mediawiki instance located at wiki.dlang.org)? Probably this is a good idea even assuming that the site is just almost empty - it can be incentive to participate in it.When mediawiki would appear as wiki under dlang.org community section, that would make our work more purposeful. Most preferably under url wiki.dlang.org As for moving instance or not, you should discuss it with Vladimir or someone else involved in hosting.
Dec 09 2012
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 16:58:04 UTC, Mariusz Gliwiński wrote:W dniu 2012-12-09 14:21, Maxim Fomin pisze:Agree, but I was not intended to move mediawiki setups: I found irrelevant whether mediawiki is hosted at dlang.org or at Vladimir's hosting until the site shows technical problems.Are you actually asking to make Vladimir's wikisite accessible at wiki.dlang.org (or moving its database to mediawiki instance located at wiki.dlang.org)? Probably this is a good idea even assuming that the site is just almost empty - it can be incentive to participate in it.When mediawiki would appear as wiki under dlang.org community section, that would make our work more purposeful. Most preferably under url wiki.dlang.org As for moving instance or not, you should discuss it with Vladimir or someone else involved in hosting.
Dec 09 2012
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 17:18:00 UTC, Maxim Fomin wrote:Agree, but I was not intended to move mediawiki setups: I found irrelevant whether mediawiki is hosted at dlang.org or at Vladimir's hosting until the site shows technical problems.Just to be sure this is clear: Vladimir has generously agreed to host the wiki instance, just as he hosts forum.dlang.org right now. David
Dec 09 2012
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 06:14:16 UTC, Maxim Fomin wrote:some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those who are seeking language technical details.I think these pages are mostly the result of playing around with the Semantic MediaWiki extension (which seems to be quite a nice fit, from the results, and probably a good reason to switch away from Prowiki in itself). David
Dec 09 2012