• Extrawurst (4/4) Dec 06 2007 I hardly dare to ask, but has there been any progress publishing the
• Brad Roberts (8/13) Dec 06 2007 Sigh. I've been trying to find out, but my last few emails to the guy
• BCS (3/8) Dec 06 2007 If something I care about had to go wrong, it would be hard to find some...
• Brad Roberts (8/19) Dec 06 2007 Except for those that couldn't or didn't attend. For them, the videos a...
• BCS (4/5) Dec 06 2007 8-) ???
• Brad Roberts (7/15) Dec 06 2007 No details, but assume same time, same place... one year later (give or
• Clay Smith (4/21) Dec 06 2007 For dates, probably a week earlier than this past year, as my classes
• Jarrett Billingsley (3/25) Dec 06 2007 Same here. Mid-August would be *perfect*.
• Alexander Panek (5/10) Dec 10 2007 I had hoped the conference would take place in Europe in 2008. :(
• Bill Baxter (3/13) Dec 10 2007 Yeh, what gives?! I was hoping it would take place in Japan!
• Bill Baxter (11/21) Dec 10 2007 To be a little less facetious, Brad's going to organize it again and
• Alexander Panek (14/23) Dec 10 2007 No offense intended, but this is a rather deficient argument. Even
• Christopher Wright (19/32) Dec 10 2007 It's a rather good argument: the people who absolutely must attend are
• Jascha Wetzel (8/12) Dec 10 2007 (i don't want to argue for either side of the planet. i'd be happy not
• Christopher Wright (2/17) Dec 10 2007 Okay, how about a nice, central location like Yemen or Qatar?
• Jarrett Billingsley (5/22) Dec 10 2007 How about the middle of the Atlantic ocean? I think that splits the
• Robert Fraser (2/3) Dec 10 2007 I could go for that.
• Bill Baxter (5/20) Dec 10 2007 Interesting. It looks like you and me have the biggest dots. :-)
• Bruce Adams (12/24) Dec 10 2007 On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:54:48 -0000, Jascha Wetzel ...
• Bill Baxter (4/25) Dec 10 2007 I would place the mean location somewhere more like 6000 km underground.
• Bill Baxter (13/38) Dec 10 2007 It may be a weak argument, but that's the way it is. I'm just the
• Frank Benoit (2/19) Dec 10 2007 Wow, thats really great news!

Extrawurst <spam extrawurst.org> writes:

I hardly dare to ask, but has there been any progress publishing the 
videos of the presentations of the D Conference this year 2007, which 
doesn't happen to last long anymore.

~the ducking Extrawurst :)

Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Extrawurst wrote:

 I hardly dare to ask, but has there been any progress publishing the videos of
 the presentations of the D Conference this year 2007, which doesn't happen to
 last long anymore.
 
 ~the ducking Extrawurst :)

Sigh.  I've been trying to find out, but my last few emails to the guy 
have gone unanswered.  I'll have to wander to his office one day when I 
have some spare time to camp out or something.

Sorry it's taking so long.  Rather embarassing.  Everything else about the 
conference went so smoothly.

Later,
Brad

BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:

Reply to Brad,


 Sorry it's taking so long.  Rather embarassing.  Everything else about
 the conference went so smoothly.
 
 Later,
 Brad

If something I care about had to go wrong, it would be hard to find something 
that would be less disruptive

Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, BCS wrote:

 Reply to Brad,
 
 
 Sorry it's taking so long.  Rather embarassing.  Everything else about
 the conference went so smoothly.
 
 Later,
 Brad

 
 If something I care about had to go wrong, it would be hard to find something
 that would be less disruptive

Except for those that couldn't or didn't attend.  For them, the videos are 
the only way to get to the real meat of what was talked about.  The slides 
are just a hint.

And no, I'm not withholding the videos as an incentive to get more people 
to attend next year. :)

Later,
Brad

BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:

Reply to Brad,

 *next year*.

8-) ???

Oh. Oh. When, where, who?!?!? Please tell me it a bit earlier (I had to cut 
class to make it last time).

Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, BCS wrote:

 Reply to Brad,
 
 *next year*.

 
 8-) ???
 
 Oh. Oh. When, where, who?!?!? Please tell me it a bit earlier (I had to cut
 class to make it last time).

No details, but assume same time, same place... one year later (give or 
take a few weeks.. shout now if you are passionate about any particular 
dates -- preferably via private email).  I've not really put any thought 
into it other than that I'm willing to do it all again.

Later,
Brad

Clay Smith <clayasaurus gmail.com> writes:

Brad Roberts wrote:
 On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, BCS wrote:
 
 Reply to Brad,

 *next year*.

 8-) ???

 Oh. Oh. When, where, who?!?!? Please tell me it a bit earlier (I had to cut
 class to make it last time).

 
 No details, but assume same time, same place... one year later (give or 
 take a few weeks.. shout now if you are passionate about any particular 
 dates -- preferably via private email).  I've not really put any thought 
 into it other than that I'm willing to do it all again.
 
 Later,
 Brad

For dates, probably a week earlier than this past year, as my classes 
began about two days after the D conf.

~ Clay

"Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:

"Clay Smith" <clayasaurus gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:fja3qv$2h1b$1 digitalmars.com...
 Brad Roberts wrote:
 On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, BCS wrote:

 Reply to Brad,

 *next year*.

 8-) ???

 Oh. Oh. When, where, who?!?!? Please tell me it a bit earlier (I had to 
 cut
 class to make it last time).

 No details, but assume same time, same place... one year later (give or 
 take a few weeks.. shout now if you are passionate about any particular 
 dates -- preferably via private email).  I've not really put any thought 
 into it other than that I'm willing to do it all again.

 Later,
 Brad

 For dates, probably a week earlier than this past year, as my classes 
 began about two days after the D conf.

 ~ Clay

Same here.  Mid-August would be *perfect*. 

Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> writes:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:00:23 -0800
Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> wrote:

 No details, but assume same time, same place... one year later (give
 or take a few weeks.. shout now if you are passionate about any
 particular dates -- preferably via private email).  I've not really
 put any thought into it other than that I'm willing to do it all
 again.

I had hoped the conference would take place in Europe in 2008. :(

-- 
Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org>

Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:

Alexander Panek wrote:
 On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:00:23 -0800
 Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> wrote:
 
 No details, but assume same time, same place... one year later (give
 or take a few weeks.. shout now if you are passionate about any
 particular dates -- preferably via private email).  I've not really
 put any thought into it other than that I'm willing to do it all
 again.

 
 I had hoped the conference would take place in Europe in 2008. :(

Yeh, what gives?!  I was hoping it would take place in Japan!

--bb

Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:

Alexander Panek wrote:
 On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:00:23 -0800
 Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> wrote:
 
 No details, but assume same time, same place... one year later (give
 or take a few weeks.. shout now if you are passionate about any
 particular dates -- preferably via private email).  I've not really
 put any thought into it other than that I'm willing to do it all
 again.

 
 I had hoped the conference would take place in Europe in 2008. :(

To be a little less facetious, Brad's going to organize it again and 
Brad lives in Seattle, and his employer in Seattle graciously donates 
the facilities for the gathering.  Also Walter and Andrei are both in 
Seattle too.  Thus it is in Seattle again.

I'm sure there would be nothing but applause if someone volunteered to 
organize a Euro D conference in 2008 also.  You may even be able to 
convince Walter to pay his own way there, but if you're going to do it 
the courteous thing would be to pay for his plane fare and 
accommodations, perhaps funded by charging a registration fee.

--bb

Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> writes:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:23:29 +0900
Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> wrote:

 To be a little less facetious, Brad's going to organize it again and 
 Brad lives in Seattle, and his employer in Seattle graciously donates 
 the facilities for the gathering.  Also Walter and Andrei are both in 
 Seattle too.  Thus it is in Seattle again.

No offense intended, but this is a rather deficient argument. Even
though I appreciate that it is being organized, I don't see a point in
excluding a big part of the community by holding it in the US again.
It's just not affordable to go to the US for most of us. I suppose the
same applies to your situation.

 I'm sure there would be nothing but applause if someone volunteered
 to organize a Euro D conference in 2008 also.  You may even be able
 to convince Walter to pay his own way there, but if you're going to
 do it the courteous thing would be to pay for his plane fare and 
 accommodations, perhaps funded by charging a registration fee.

IMHO, everyone should pay on his own if possible. Anything else is
going to be a matter of communication between all participants. We
could even have a pool of money for those who couldn't attend because
they are students, or similar.

Ad the other reply: is it cheaper to go to Europe or to USA from Japan?

-- 
Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org>

Christopher Wright <dhasenan gmail.com> writes:

Alexander Panek wrote:
 On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:23:29 +0900
 Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> wrote:
 
 To be a little less facetious, Brad's going to organize it again and 
 Brad lives in Seattle, and his employer in Seattle graciously donates 
 the facilities for the gathering.  Also Walter and Andrei are both in 
 Seattle too.  Thus it is in Seattle again.

 
 No offense intended, but this is a rather deficient argument. Even
 though I appreciate that it is being organized, I don't see a point in
 excluding a big part of the community by holding it in the US again.
 It's just not affordable to go to the US for most of us. I suppose the
 same applies to your situation.

It's a rather good argument: the people who absolutely must attend are 
all in Seattle, and there are free facilities there. If nobody else 
volunteers a facility and travel expenses for at least Walter, then they 
won't have a convention in their country.

Renting a facility to hold about a hundred to a hundred fifty people for 
three days... you'd probably spend a few thousand dollars or euros for 
that. (The Washington Convention Center in Washington DC, to take a 
Leftpondian example, would cost about US$1400 for the space, and 
probably a few hundred more for AV equipment.) Flying in Walter only 
adds a few hundred, though. Still, you'd have to charge attendees, 
probably in the range of $30 if you're not serving food, more like $40 
or $50 if you're serving food. Charging money cuts into attendance.

Of course, there's the question of how many people would attend, if the 
convention were in Europe or Japan. You'd get more Leftpondians if it 
were in the US, of course, and Leftpondians probably make up a plurality 
of the people here.

Moreover, holding it in Amazon means you get developers from a major 
organization wandering in. That's a decent advantage.

Jascha Wetzel <firstname mainia.de> writes:

Christopher Wright wrote:
 Of course, there's the question of how many people would attend, if the 
 convention were in Europe or Japan. You'd get more Leftpondians if it 
 were in the US, of course, and Leftpondians probably make up a plurality 
 of the people here.

(i don't want to argue for either side of the planet. i'd be happy not 
to have to travel far, but seattle is probably better than most other 
locations.)

i just wanted to throw in the geographic distribution graph of ddbg 
website visitors. not that it's representative in any way, but it came 
to mind when thinking about where D users tend to hide:

http://www3.clustrmaps.com/counter/maps.php?url=http://ddbg.mainia.de

Christopher Wright <dhasenan gmail.com> writes:

Jascha Wetzel wrote:
 Christopher Wright wrote:
 Of course, there's the question of how many people would attend, if 
 the convention were in Europe or Japan. You'd get more Leftpondians if 
 it were in the US, of course, and Leftpondians probably make up a 
 plurality of the people here.

 
 (i don't want to argue for either side of the planet. i'd be happy not 
 to have to travel far, but seattle is probably better than most other 
 locations.)
 
 i just wanted to throw in the geographic distribution graph of ddbg 
 website visitors. not that it's representative in any way, but it came 
 to mind when thinking about where D users tend to hide:
 
 http://www3.clustrmaps.com/counter/maps.php?url=http://ddbg.mainia.de

Okay, how about a nice, central location like Yemen or Qatar?

"Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:

"Christopher Wright" <dhasenan gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:fjjuvr$eqh$1 digitalmars.com...
 Jascha Wetzel wrote:
 Christopher Wright wrote:
 Of course, there's the question of how many people would attend, if the 
 convention were in Europe or Japan. You'd get more Leftpondians if it 
 were in the US, of course, and Leftpondians probably make up a plurality 
 of the people here.

 (i don't want to argue for either side of the planet. i'd be happy not to 
 have to travel far, but seattle is probably better than most other 
 locations.)

 i just wanted to throw in the geographic distribution graph of ddbg 
 website visitors. not that it's representative in any way, but it came to 
 mind when thinking about where D users tend to hide:

 http://www3.clustrmaps.com/counter/maps.php?url=http://ddbg.mainia.de

 Okay, how about a nice, central location like Yemen or Qatar?

How about the middle of the Atlantic ocean?  I think that splits the 
difference between the population centers in Europe and North America.

The Virgin Islands or the Canaries!  Hell yes! 

Robert Fraser <fraserofthenight gmail.com> writes:

Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
 The Virgin Islands or the Canaries!  Hell yes! 

I could go for that.

Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:

Jascha Wetzel wrote:
 Christopher Wright wrote:
 Of course, there's the question of how many people would attend, if 
 the convention were in Europe or Japan. You'd get more Leftpondians if 
 it were in the US, of course, and Leftpondians probably make up a 
 plurality of the people here.

 
 (i don't want to argue for either side of the planet. i'd be happy not 
 to have to travel far, but seattle is probably better than most other 
 locations.)
 
 i just wanted to throw in the geographic distribution graph of ddbg 
 website visitors. not that it's representative in any way, but it came 
 to mind when thinking about where D users tend to hide:
 
 http://www3.clustrmaps.com/counter/maps.php?url=http://ddbg.mainia.de

Interesting.  It looks like you and me have the biggest dots.  :-)

--bb
[by which I mean the two biggest dots seem to be over Germany and Tokyo, 
if that wasn't clear]

"Bruce Adams" <tortoise_74 yeah.who.co.uk> writes:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:54:48 -0000, Jascha Wetzel <firstname mainia.de> =
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Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:

Bruce Adams wrote:
 On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:54:48 -0000, Jascha Wetzel <firstname mainia.de> 
 wrote:
 
 Christopher Wright wrote:
 Of course, there's the question of how many people would attend, if 
 the convention were in Europe or Japan. You'd get more Leftpondians 
 if it were in the US, of course, and Leftpondians probably make up a 
 plurality of the people here.

 (i don't want to argue for either side of the planet. i'd be happy not 
 to have to travel far, but seattle is probably better than most other 
 locations.)

 i just wanted to throw in the geographic distribution graph of ddbg 
 website visitors. not that it's representative in any way, but it came 
 to mind when thinking about where D users tend to hide:

 http://www3.clustrmaps.com/counter/maps.php?url=http://ddbg.mainia.de

 
 To my untrained eye I would place the mean location somewhere in Iraqistan.
 Thanks but no thanks :)

I would place the mean location somewhere more like 6000 km underground.
Again, thanks but no thanks.  :-)

--bb

Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:

Alexander Panek wrote:
 On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:23:29 +0900
 Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> wrote:
 
 To be a little less facetious, Brad's going to organize it again and 
 Brad lives in Seattle, and his employer in Seattle graciously donates 
 the facilities for the gathering.  Also Walter and Andrei are both in 
 Seattle too.  Thus it is in Seattle again.

 
 No offense intended, but this is a rather deficient argument. Even
 though I appreciate that it is being organized, I don't see a point in
 excluding a big part of the community by holding it in the US again.
 It's just not affordable to go to the US for most of us. I suppose the
 same applies to your situation.

It may be a weak argument, but that's the way it is.  I'm just the 
volunteer messenger boy, telling you so that Brad doesn't have to.  I'm 
just basically repeating the same thing that was in the 2007 conference FAQ.

 I'm sure there would be nothing but applause if someone volunteered
 to organize a Euro D conference in 2008 also.  You may even be able
 to convince Walter to pay his own way there, but if you're going to
 do it the courteous thing would be to pay for his plane fare and 
 accommodations, perhaps funded by charging a registration fee.

 
 IMHO, everyone should pay on his own if possible. Anything else is
 going to be a matter of communication between all participants. We
 could even have a pool of money for those who couldn't attend because
 they are students, or similar.
 
 Ad the other reply: is it cheaper to go to Europe or to USA from Japan?

West coast USA is cheaper, but it's generally over $1000 US to either 
destination.  Money's not as big an issue for me as the time it takes to 
travel there and back.  I can't really justify spending more than like a 
day or two total attending a conference about a programming language. 
Just traveling to the USA or Europe eats up about 2 days' time.  That's 
why I was thinking about trying to put together some sort of gathering 
of D folks at SIGGRAPH in LA 2008 to maybe chat about D and computer 
graphics, because I'll be at SIGGRAPH anyway.

--bb

Frank Benoit <keinfarbton googlemail.com> writes:

Brad Roberts schrieb:
 On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, BCS wrote:
 
 Reply to Brad,

 *next year*.

 8-) ???

 Oh. Oh. When, where, who?!?!? Please tell me it a bit earlier (I had to cut
 class to make it last time).

 
 No details, but assume same time, same place... one year later (give or 
 take a few weeks.. shout now if you are passionate about any particular 
 dates -- preferably via private email).  I've not really put any thought 
 into it other than that I'm willing to do it all again.
 
 Later,
 Brad

Wow, thats really great news!