digitalmars.D - CTAN, CPAN, RubyGem like
- bioinfornatics (6/6) Dec 13 2010 Hi D community,
- Daniel Gibson (6/12) Dec 13 2010 other ..) for auto instaling a new project (local and distant package/pr...
- bioinfornatics (2/2) Dec 13 2010 dsss is die
- Jacob Carlborg (4/10) Dec 13 2010 D desperately needs some kind of library/application/package manager.
- Jonathan M Davis (9/24) Dec 13 2010 LOL. That may be true, but coming from a primarily C++ and Java backgrou...
- Ary Borenszweig (10/10) Dec 13 2010 Deploying a Ruby on Rails 2 application is like this:
- Andrej Mitrovic (9/21) Dec 13 2010 Yeah, it's a PITA all right. You could download a project, and it
- Russel Winder (17/42) Dec 14 2010 But isn't this exactly what Apt and Yum are for?
- Andrej Mitrovic (2/12) Dec 14 2010 Yes, but I'm talking about having something platform-independent.
- Russel Winder (29/33) Dec 14 2010 As it stands, in the Ubuntu and Debian worlds definitely, in the
- David Gileadi (8/32) Dec 13 2010 It certainly does exist in the Java world, and if you're working on a
- Russel Winder (18/25) Dec 14 2010 =20
Hi D community, i would like put an idea, * it will be great add to dsource or a new website a tool like CPAN (and other ..) for auto instaling a new project (local and distant package/project) - we can use use some auto tools for build a project cmake dmake and other .. * Add a new project to dsource by using a a form thanks for reply and any enhancement
Dec 13 2010
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:51 PM, bioinfornatics <bioinfornatics fedoraproject.org> wrote:Hi D community, i would like put an idea, * it will be great add to dsource or a new website a tool like CPAN (and =other ..) for auto instaling a new project (local and distant package/proje= ct)=A0 - we can use use some auto tools for build a project cmake dmake and =other ..* Add a new project to dsource by using a a form thanks for reply and any enhancementSounds a bit like DSSS: http://www.dsource.org/projects/dsss :-)
Dec 13 2010
bioinfornatics <bioinfornatics fedoraproject.org> dsss is die it will be great a tool who communicate with dsource (or other) for help install, in perl or in ruby from commndline you can install a new library it is easy and powerfull, save time ....
Dec 13 2010
On 2010-12-13 14:51, bioinfornatics wrote:
Hi D community,
i would like put an idea,
* it will be great add to dsource or a new website a tool like CPAN (and other
..) for auto instaling a new project (local and distant package/project)
- we can use use some auto tools for build a project cmake dmake and other
..
* Add a new project to dsource by using a a form
thanks for reply and any enhancement
D desperately needs some kind of library/application/package manager.
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/Jacob Carlborg
Dec 13 2010
On Monday, December 13, 2010 11:02:36 Jacob Carlborg wrote:On 2010-12-13 14:51, bioinfornatics wrote:LOL. That may be true, but coming from a primarily C++ and Java background where that sort of thing doesn't really exist (as far as I know anyway), I confess that I don't see much need for that sort of thing. I don't necessarily have any problem with it existing, but it's fine with me if it doesn't, and I've never quite understood the folks who belate its lack. Honestly, package management of any kind is the kind of thing I expect my OS to do. - Jonathan M DavisHi D community, i would like put an idea, * it will be great add to dsource or a new website a tool like CPAN (and other ..) for auto instaling a new project (local and distant package/project) - we can use use some auto tools for build a project cmake dmake and other .. * Add a new project to dsource by using a a form thanks for reply and any enhancementD desperately needs some kind of library/application/package manager.
Dec 13 2010
Deploying a Ruby on Rails 2 application is like this: git clone ... (or hg pull ... or whatever you use) rake gems:install (this installs all the libraries your project depend on) rake db:create rake db:migrate rake db:seed Very, very convenient. Otherwise you have to download the jars in you server, or commit them to your source control which is pretty heavy. In D, Java, C#, etc., it's a PITA, specially when your app depends on a specific version of a library.
Dec 13 2010
Yeah, it's a PITA all right. You could download a project, and it could list a dozen library dependencies in a text file. So now you have to spend hours searching, downloading, reading manuals and compiling libraries (not to mention having to download any extra dependencies for those libs as well, and any tools used in the building process), and finally configuring the app to use the compiled libraries. And when the libs won't compile.. bleh! It's typical for many open-source C apps that I've tried compiling. On 12/13/10, Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> wrote:Deploying a Ruby on Rails 2 application is like this: git clone ... (or hg pull ... or whatever you use) rake gems:install (this installs all the libraries your project depend on) rake db:create rake db:migrate rake db:seed Very, very convenient. Otherwise you have to download the jars in you server, or commit them to your source control which is pretty heavy. In D, Java, C#, etc., it's a PITA, specially when your app depends on a specific version of a library.
Dec 13 2010
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 21:20 +0100, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:Yeah, it's a PITA all right. You could download a project, and it could list a dozen library dependencies in a text file. So now you have to spend hours searching, downloading, reading manuals and compiling libraries (not to mention having to download any extra dependencies for those libs as well, and any tools used in the building process), and finally configuring the app to use the compiled libraries. And when the libs won't compile.. bleh! It's typical for many open-source C apps that I've tried compiling.But isn't this exactly what Apt and Yum are for? I suspect the core to the problem is that Windows and Mac OS X are not built around a dependency management system whereas most Linux distributions are. Of course there is MacPorts and Fink for Mac OS X, but Apple have no interest in them.On 12/13/10, Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> wrote:on)Deploying a Ruby on Rails 2 application is like this: git clone ... (or hg pull ... or whatever you use) rake gems:install (this installs all the libraries your project depend =--=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel russel.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winderrake db:create rake db:migrate rake db:seed Very, very convenient. Otherwise you have to download the jars in you server, or commit them to your source control which is pretty heavy. In D, Java, C#, etc., it's a PITA, specially when your app depends on a specific version of a library.
Dec 14 2010
On 12/14/10, Russel Winder <russel russel.org.uk> wrote:On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 21:20 +0100, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:Yes, but I'm talking about having something platform-independent.Yeah, it's a PITA all right. You could download a project, and it could list a dozen library dependencies in a text file. So now you have to spend hours searching, downloading, reading manuals and compiling libraries (not to mention having to download any extra dependencies for those libs as well, and any tools used in the building process), and finally configuring the app to use the compiled libraries. And when the libs won't compile.. bleh! It's typical for many open-source C apps that I've tried compiling.But isn't this exactly what Apt and Yum are for?
Dec 14 2010
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 17:07 +0100, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:On 12/14/10, Russel Winder <russel russel.org.uk> wrote:[ . . . ]As it stands, in the Ubuntu and Debian worlds definitely, in the Fedora/RHEL worlds I suspect, configuration management in "The Great Problem" for language, especially Java. The operating system itself has a configuration management system that generally fails to work for specific languages, and where the languages have language specific systems it tends to lead to parochialism, if the system works at all. Windows and Mac OS X solve this problem by abdicating and not solving this problem, requiring every application to ship all the dependencies it needs into its own subsystem. On the face of it there seems to be no practical solution to the problem as the operating systems people are unlikely to consider alternative solutions to the ones they currently have, and the language people seem to need platform independence more than parsimonious systems. Is it certain that it is not possible to work with Apt, Yum, Port, Fink, MacPorts, etc.? I for one find it incredibly annoying that Debian/Ubuntu and Java are seemingly unable to work together sanely. And C/C++ isn't much better. :-(( --=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel russel.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winderBut isn't this exactly what Apt and Yum are for?=20 Yes, but I'm talking about having something platform-independent.
Dec 14 2010
On 12/13/10 12:23 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:On Monday, December 13, 2010 11:02:36 Jacob Carlborg wrote:It certainly does exist in the Java world, and if you're working on a big enterprise project then chances are you'll run into it. The Maven build system has repository and dependency management built in, and the Apache Ivy project does similar dependency management without being a build system. Newer Java build systems like Gradle also have dependency management built in. As Andrej says, building large existing projects without it is no fun whatsoever.On 2010-12-13 14:51, bioinfornatics wrote:LOL. That may be true, but coming from a primarily C++ and Java background where that sort of thing doesn't really exist (as far as I know anyway), I confess that I don't see much need for that sort of thing. I don't necessarily have any problem with it existing, but it's fine with me if it doesn't, and I've never quite understood the folks who belate its lack. Honestly, package management of any kind is the kind of thing I expect my OS to do. - Jonathan M DavisHi D community, i would like put an idea, * it will be great add to dsource or a new website a tool like CPAN (and other ..) for auto instaling a new project (local and distant package/project) - we can use use some auto tools for build a project cmake dmake and other .. * Add a new project to dsource by using a a form thanks for reply and any enhancementD desperately needs some kind of library/application/package manager.
Dec 13 2010
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 13:36 -0700, David Gileadi wrote: [ . . . ]It certainly does exist in the Java world, and if you're working on a=20 big enterprise project then chances are you'll run into it. The Maven==20build system has repository and dependency management built in, and the==20Apache Ivy project does similar dependency management without being a=20 build system. Newer Java build systems like Gradle also have dependency==20management built in. As Andrej says, building large existing projects==20without it is no fun whatsoever.Currently Gradle uses Ivy, but there may be a shift to the new Maven resolver once it is fully established and shaken down. --=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel russel.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
Dec 14 2010