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reply Denis Troshin <weiv mail.ru> writes:
It is strange that cool programmers like you
are using Outlook Express 6. :)
Jan 04 2004
parent reply "Rajiv Bhagwat" <dataflow vsnl.com> writes:
"Denis Troshin" <weiv mail.ru> wrote in message
news:opr09jqafuan535p pop.mail.ru...

 It is strange that cool programmers like you
 are using Outlook Express 6. :)


HNY to all..

Ya, just because it works!!
Your question prompted me to check my OE.  Installed in 1998, it currently
holds more than 10,000 emails (no junk mails)(I plan to look and remove into
them when I --fully-- retire!), not to count the News items.

Every month I get a lot of CDs with freeware-shareware-school
projectware-hobbyware software with a lot of computer magazines - I used to
feel guilty for not trying them out, till I realised that most of the stuff
is 'junkware' as well. Unfortunately, the same is the case with a lot of
half cooked s/w on net. So, unless strongly recommended, no new junk for me.
It simply takes too much time (and involves risk) to try out things.

And in this case, the problem is not with IE, the same Newsgroup behaviour
occurs with Netscape and Opera.
Till Jan finds time / help  to hunt down the problem, we will have to wait.
(Are you also going to recommend a newsreader with 'defensive programming'
that hides the news server problem?)

BTW, I could also locate in my daily library sources a 'c' routine from
1987, a 'c++' class from 1991 (several from 1993) - what to do with the
'old' stuff if it continues to be useful?
- Rajiv
Jan 05 2004
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:


 Ya, just because it works!!


<g> That depends on how you define "it works!!" ;-)


 Your question prompted me to check my OE.  Installed in 1998, it currently
 holds more than 10,000 emails (no junk mails)(I plan to look and remove into
 them when I --fully-- retire!), not to count the News items.


Well, the same here, but I 'file' messages in yearly folders... Shortly 
I will be creating 2003 and 'file' everything send and received that I 
kept around in this folder...


 Every month I get a lot of CDs with freeware-shareware-school
 projectware-hobbyware software with a lot of computer magazines - I used to
 feel guilty for not trying them out, till I realised that most of the stuff
 is 'junkware' as well. Unfortunately, the same is the case with a lot of
 half cooked s/w on net. So, unless strongly recommended, no new junk for me.
 It simply takes too much time (and involves risk) to try out things.


No risk in trying Mozilla Thunderbird... www.mozilla.org
It's a typical programmer type of thing. Just a .zip file you unzip in 
/Program Files/mozilla.org for instance and than make a shortcut to the 
.exe.

The next thing you do when you are using outlook:
- Start Mozilla Thunderbird
- Tools -> Import -> Settings.
- Tools -> Import -> Address Books
- Tools -> Import -> Mail
You should not even have to search for places where the data is!

Try it... You might like it... Also, if you don't like it you still can 
go back to OE... It's not like it becomes unusable after the import... 
;-) So far I have heard complaints about it... I do not recall much 
response from people even trying something different...


 And in this case, the problem is not with IE, the same Newsgroup behaviour
 occurs with Netscape and Opera.


Not with Opera, not with Mozilla Thunderbird and Not with Mozilla is 
what I know so far.


 Till Jan finds time / help  to hunt down the problem, we will have to wait.
 (Are you also going to recommend a newsreader with 'defensive programming'
 that hides the news server problem?)


Well, I have done that and have not been able to find a single solution 
to the problem. The solution might come with an upgrade of the system 
when I install the latest INN. Not scheduled for anytime soon. It also 
might come if I turn on to expire older articles. I do not know...

Any INN expert help is welcome.

Than again... OE and obviously others attach to much importance to an 
ESTIMATED article count as the RFC states.

Jan

-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Jan 05 2004
parent reply Rajiv Bhagwat <brajiv giasbm01.vsnl.net.in> writes:
Jan Knepper wrote:

 Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:
 

 Ya, just because it works!!


 
 
 <g> That depends on how you define "it works!!" ;-)
 

 Your question prompted me to check my OE.  Installed in 1998, it 
 currently
 holds more than 10,000 emails (no junk mails)(I plan to look and 
 remove into
 them when I --fully-- retire!), not to count the News items.


 
 
 Well, the same here, but I 'file' messages in yearly folders... Shortly 
 I will be creating 2003 and 'file' everything send and received that I 
 kept around in this folder...
 

 Every month I get a lot of CDs with freeware-shareware-school
 projectware-hobbyware software with a lot of computer magazines - I 
 used to
 feel guilty for not trying them out, till I realised that most of the 
 stuff
 is 'junkware' as well. Unfortunately, the same is the case with a lot of
 half cooked s/w on net. So, unless strongly recommended, no new junk 
 for me.
 It simply takes too much time (and involves risk) to try out things.


 
 
 No risk in trying Mozilla Thunderbird... www.mozilla.org
 It's a typical programmer type of thing. Just a .zip file you unzip in 
 /Program Files/mozilla.org for instance and than make a shortcut to the 
 .exe.
 
 The next thing you do when you are using outlook:
 - Start Mozilla Thunderbird
 - Tools -> Import -> Settings.
 - Tools -> Import -> Address Books
 - Tools -> Import -> Mail
 You should not even have to search for places where the data is!
 
 Try it... You might like it... Also, if you don't like it you still can 
 go back to OE... It's not like it becomes unusable after the import... 
 ;-) So far I have heard complaints about it... I do not recall much 
 response from people even trying something different...
 

 And in this case, the problem is not with IE, the same Newsgroup 
 behaviour
 occurs with Netscape and Opera.


 
 
 Not with Opera, not with Mozilla Thunderbird and Not with Mozilla is 
 what I know so far.
 

 Till Jan finds time / help  to hunt down the problem, we will have to 
 wait.
 (Are you also going to recommend a newsreader with 'defensive 
 programming'
 that hides the news server problem?)


 
 
 Well, I have done that and have not been able to find a single solution 
 to the problem. The solution might come with an upgrade of the system 
 when I install the latest INN. Not scheduled for anytime soon. It also 
 might come if I turn on to expire older articles. I do not know...
 
 Any INN expert help is welcome.
 
 Than again... OE and obviously others attach to much importance to an 
 ESTIMATED article count as the RFC states.
 
 Jan
 


Thanks Jan for the recommendation! This message comes to you from 
Thunderbird..
For other interested people:
http://www.nidelven-it.no/articles/introduction_to_thunderbird

- Rajiv
Jan 06 2004
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:

 Thanks Jan for the recommendation! This message comes to you from 
 Thunderbird..
 For other interested people:
 http://www.nidelven-it.no/articles/introduction_to_thunderbird


Oh, you are more than welcome!
I think there is much misplaced fear about changing to Thunderbird... 
Question... Were you able to import the news articles as well? If so, 
did Thunderbird keep track of what you had read and what not?

Thanks for the link! This is great!

Jan


-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Jan 06 2004
parent reply Rajiv Bhagwat <brajiv giasbm01.vsnl.net.in> writes:
Jan Knepper wrote:

 Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:
 

 Thanks Jan for the recommendation! This message comes to you from 
 Thunderbird..
 For other interested people:
 http://www.nidelven-it.no/articles/introduction_to_thunderbird


 
 
 Oh, you are more than welcome!
 I think there is much misplaced fear about changing to Thunderbird... 
 Question... Were you able to import the news articles as well? If so, 
 did Thunderbird keep track of what you had read and what not?
 
 Thanks for the link! This is great!
 
 Jan
 
 


Yes, all the news articles came in without a problem. Currently, all of 
them are marked as 'unread', I will have to 'read' them (mark them 
read), but it seems to work ok with this chat group which I 'read'.

While importing mails, there was a problem (the process stopped then, so 
I  don't know whether all other messages came in), and a quick check 
showed  that a message with a JPG attachment could not display it nor 
store the image... (strange, since JPG is a common format). So, holding 
for mail switchover. Also, could not find the 'outbox' -I don't like 
each mail being transmitted as soon as 'sent' - so will have to explore 
a solution for that too..

Will explore further today.

- Rajiv
Jan 06 2004
parent Ilya Minkov <minkov cs.tum.edu> writes:
Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:

 Yes, all the news articles came in without a problem. Currently, all of 
 them are marked as 'unread', I will have to 'read' them (mark them 
 read), but it seems to work ok with this chat group which I 'read'.


There was a one-key shortcut for that. Here it is Ctrl+Shift+C


 While importing mails, there was a problem (the process stopped then, so 
 I  don't know whether all other messages came in), and a quick check 
 showed  that a message with a JPG attachment could not display it nor 
 store the image... (strange, since JPG is a common format). So, holding 
 for mail switchover.


This should not happen. Perhaps there is some other problem which 
hinders it. I had a problem with "/" in a mailbox name. It may also be 
that the heavyweight Mozilla 1.5 has a few bugs less?


 Also, could not find the 'outbox' -I don't like 
 each mail being transmitted as soon as 'sent' - so will have to explore 
 a solution for that too..


hmmmm... The mozilla mailers are not very offline-friendy. I think this 
is worth another project. "Offline Mozilla" or something alike. Add 
deferred send, and dial-exchange-handgup sequence for those without DSL 
at home. Not that i would like to do it. ;) I got used to being online.

-eye
Jan 07 2004