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reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html
Mar 19 2004
next sibling parent "C. Sauls" <ibisbasenji yahoo.com> writes:
Walter wrote:

 I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html
 


I just read through the thing... nice artwork.  ;)  And I agree, those 
"funky name lookup rules" had to go.  Heh.

-C. Sauls
-Invironz
Mar 19 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> writes:
Walter wrote:

 I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html


Awesome. I especially like the judicious use of color. The title slide 
is the best.

-- 
Justin
http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/
Mar 19 2004
parent C <dont respond.com> writes:
 The title slide is the best.


Yea it is, would make for a good poster, or maybe shrink it down use it =
as =

logo :).

C

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:22:16 -0600, J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> wrote:


 Walter wrote:

 I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html


 Awesome. I especially like the judicious use of color.




-- =

D Newsgroup.
Mar 19 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent "Carlos Santander B." <carlos8294 msn.com> writes:
"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:c3g2eo$oqh$1 digitaldaemon.com
| I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html

In http://www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/scan0013.jpg, in function parabola,
"function" should be "delegate".
Really nice work, btw!

-----------------------
Carlos Santander Bernal
Mar 19 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:
Walter wrote:


I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html


This document would be perfect for newbies to D.

-- 
-Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/
Mar 19 2004
parent reply "Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:
I agree, there is a lot of examples for the
upcoming book they are going to write
(nudge nudge wink wink)

Phill.


"J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> wrote in message
news:c3gog4$1tcq$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Walter wrote:


I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html


 This document would be perfect for newbies to D.

 --
 -Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/
Mar 19 2004
parent "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> writes:
Certainly suggestive of a plain, straightforward, structure.

nudged, nudged, winked, winked

"Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> wrote in message
news:c3gpb4$1uok$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 I agree, there is a lot of examples for the
 upcoming book they are going to write
 (nudge nudge wink wink)

 Phill.


 "J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> wrote in message
 news:c3gog4$1tcq$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Walter wrote:


I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html


 This document would be perfect for newbies to D.

 --
 -Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/
Mar 19 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> writes:
I'm just reading through the slides, and even though I've been using it for
nearly two years, it almost takes your breath away how good it is in almost
all aspects. Well done, Walter!

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:c3g2eo$oqh$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html
Mar 19 2004
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> wrote in message
news:c3gp9g$1umr$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 I'm just reading through the slides, and even though I've been using it


for

 nearly two years, it almost takes your breath away how good it is in


almost

 all aspects. Well done, Walter!


I really want to pull all this stuff together into a slim, seminal book.
Mar 19 2004
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Walter wrote:

 "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> wrote in message
 news:c3gp9g$1umr$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 

I'm just reading through the slides, and even though I've been using it


 
 for
 

nearly two years, it almost takes your breath away how good it is in


 
 almost
 

all aspects. Well done, Walter!


 
 
 I really want to pull all this stuff together into a slim, seminal book.
 
 


Well, if you have a PDF writer that would be easy and you could sell it 
on www.digitalmars.com


-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper

But as for me and my household, we shall use Mozilla... www.mozilla.org
Mar 20 2004
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
news:c3huor$uka$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Well, if you have a PDF writer that would be easy and you could sell it
 on www.digitalmars.com


I like Bruce Eckel's method of having a free downloadable version, and then
a physical book one can buy.
Mar 20 2004
next sibling parent Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Walter wrote:

 "Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
 news:c3huor$uka$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 

Well, if you have a PDF writer that would be easy and you could sell it
on www.digitalmars.com


 
 
 I like Bruce Eckel's method of having a free downloadable version, and then
 a physical book one can buy.
 
 


Me too! That's what I tried to refer to... ;-)

-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper

But as for me and my household, we shall use Mozilla... www.mozilla.org
Mar 20 2004
prev sibling parent reply "Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:
If you make an E Book, it is going to be more or less free to a lot of
people anyway.
With these file swapping programs around now, it  would be make it hard to
make any money on
the net.

Phill.


"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:c3i5q8$1a2g$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
 news:c3huor$uka$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Well, if you have a PDF writer that would be easy and you could sell it
 on www.digitalmars.com


 I like Bruce Eckel's method of having a free downloadable version, and


then

 a physical book one can buy.
Mar 20 2004
next sibling parent reply Andrew Edwards <remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> writes:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:13:55 +1100, Phill <phill pacific.net.au> wrote:


 If you make an E Book, it is going to be more or less free to a lot of
 people anyway.
 With these file swapping programs around now, it  would be make it hard 
 to
 make any money on
 the net.

 Phill.


A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer screen. 
Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html 
format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a 
printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books 
replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly not 
in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and making 
money will be someone else's problem).

Andrew
Mar 20 2004
next sibling parent reply "Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:
Sorry, I wasnt clear, I meant that if he makes
an E Book that he would not be able to make
much money out of the E Book.

Phill.


"Andrew Edwards" <remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:opr46oe9bfs6zaqn news.digitalmars.com...

 On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:13:55 +1100, Phill <phill pacific.net.au> wrote:


 If you make an E Book, it is going to be more or less free to a lot of
 people anyway.
 With these file swapping programs around now, it  would be make it hard
 to
 make any money on
 the net.

 Phill.


 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer screen.
 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html
 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a
 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly not
 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and making
 money will be someone else's problem).

 Andrew
Mar 20 2004
parent =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sigbj=F8rn_Lund_Olsen?= <sigbjorn lundolsen.net> writes:
Phill wrote:


 Sorry, I wasnt clear, I meant that if he makes
 an E Book that he would not be able to make
 much money out of the E Book.
 
 Phill.


...and he said that if the book was also available in print in a 
dual-form sort of arrangement (like the C++ ebook on relisoft.com) then 
he could. For example, I bought the relisoft.com C++ ebook immediately 
when it came into print simply because I don't like reading 500 pages on 
a computer screen. My screen is dead sexy (fyi ;-), but it just doesn't 
beat paper when it comes to reading.

Cheers,
Sigbjørn Lund Olsen
Mar 21 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply John Reimer <jjreimer telus.net> writes:
 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer screen.
 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html
 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a
 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly not
 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and making
 money will be someone else's problem).
 
 Andrew


This is really true.  I actually like collecting free computer science
ebooks, but for some reason, never like reading them off the screen.  In
the past, I've ended up printing the good ones out. There's nothing quite
like being able to grab a book, flop out on the couch and use it as a face
cover for a good nap (just kidding).  Nonetheless, I do find ebooks very
useful for quick-lookup references. Where it may eventually get better for
ebooks is on pda's.  I like that idea except for the fact that pda screens
are still pretty small, and the pda battery life does not compare well to
paper books :-).  Paper books likely will never go out of style.

Later,
John
Mar 20 2004
next sibling parent John Reimer <jjreimer telus.net> writes:
 
 This is really true.  I actually like collecting free computer science
 ebooks, but for some reason, never like reading them off the screen.  In
 the past, I've ended up printing the good ones out. There's nothing quite
 like being able to grab a book, flop out on the couch and use it as a face
 cover for a good nap (just kidding).  Nonetheless, I do find ebooks very
 useful for quick-lookup references. Where it may eventually get better for
 ebooks is on pda's.  I like that idea except for the fact that pda screens
 are still pretty small, and the pda battery life does not compare well to
 paper books :-).  Paper books likely will never go out of style.
 
 Later,
 John


I should clarify that I'm talking about the trully free ebooks (by this I
don't mean the secure ebooks).  I mean the ones released as pdf and html to
the public.
Mar 20 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> writes:
"John Reimer" <jjreimer telus.net> wrote in message
news:c3io0h$282i$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer




screen.

 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html
 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a
 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly




not

 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and




making

 money will be someone else's problem).

 Andrew


 This is really true.  I actually like collecting free computer science
 ebooks, but for some reason, never like reading them off the screen.  In
 the past, I've ended up printing the good ones out. There's nothing quite
 like being able to grab a book, flop out on the couch and use it as a face
 cover for a good nap (just kidding).  Nonetheless, I do find ebooks very
 useful for quick-lookup references. Where it may eventually get better for
 ebooks is on pda's.  I like that idea except for the fact that pda screens
 are still pretty small, and the pda battery life does not compare well to
 paper books :-).  Paper books likely will never go out of style.


True. Electronic form is useful for reference, but, IMO, nothing else. I've
never been able to read even a single chapter of an electronic book, in any
form, and am invariably disappointed to find them not available in print.

Also, there's the connotation that if a book's available only
electronically, then it's not very good. I've yet to come across one that
proves this hypothesis wrong, although I'm open-minded on the subject.



 Later,
 John
Mar 20 2004
prev sibling parent =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sigbj=F8rn_Lund_Olsen?= <sigbjorn lundolsen.net> writes:
John Reimer wrote:


A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer screen.
Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html
format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a
printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly not
in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and making
money will be someone else's problem).

Andrew


 
 
 This is really true.  I actually like collecting free computer science
 ebooks, but for some reason, never like reading them off the screen.  In
 the past, I've ended up printing the good ones out. There's nothing quite
 like being able to grab a book, flop out on the couch and use it as a face
 cover for a good nap (just kidding).  Nonetheless, I do find ebooks very
 useful for quick-lookup references. Where it may eventually get better for
 ebooks is on pda's.  I like that idea except for the fact that pda screens
 are still pretty small, and the pda battery life does not compare well to
 paper books :-).  Paper books likely will never go out of style.


If there was a device about A4 size, with an LCD touchpad screen, 
reasonably thing yet reasonably sturdy, then I'd possibly go for reading 
Ebooks in electronic form. But untill then, it's paper for any lengthy 
document.

Cheers,
Sigbjørn Lund Olsen
Mar 21 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Andrew Edwards" <remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:opr46oe9bfs6zaqn news.digitalmars.com...

 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer screen.
 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html
 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a
 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly not
 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and making
 money will be someone else's problem).


Both have their place. The soft version is great for lookups, searches, and
quick checking. The hard version is great for settling down to study it.
Mar 20 2004
parent reply "Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:
"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:c3irca$2dak$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Andrew Edwards" <remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> wrote in message
 news:opr46oe9bfs6zaqn news.digitalmars.com...

 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer




screen.

 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html
 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a
 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly




not

 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and




making

 money will be someone else's problem).


 Both have their place. The soft version is great for lookups, searches,


and

 quick checking. The hard version is great for settling down to study it.


I also find that when I am reading the hard version,
my wife isnt nagging me for "sitting at the computer for hours" :o))
Mar 20 2004
parent reply "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> writes:
"Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> wrote in message
news:c3j361$2q8p$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:c3irca$2dak$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Andrew Edwards" <remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> wrote in message
 news:opr46oe9bfs6zaqn news.digitalmars.com...

 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer




 screen.

 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in






html

 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up






a

 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly




 not

 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and




 making

 money will be someone else's problem).


 Both have their place. The soft version is great for lookups, searches,


 and

 quick checking. The hard version is great for settling down to study it.


 I also find that when I am reading the hard version,
 my wife isnt nagging me for "sitting at the computer for hours" :o))


You can't take a laptop in the bath, or standing up on a
bus/train/tram/ferry, or while driving.

I just hate e-books. :(
Mar 20 2004
next sibling parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> wrote in message
news:c3jf4j$bhp$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 I also find that when I am reading the hard version,
 my wife isnt nagging me for "sitting at the computer for hours" :o))




Invite the guys over for beer, potato chips and an afternoon watching
football instead :-)



 You can't take a laptop in the bath, or standing up on a
 bus/train/tram/ferry, or while driving.


I hope you're not reading a paperback while driving, we need you here in one
piece <g>.
Mar 20 2004
parent "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> writes:
"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:c3jhse$ff3$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> wrote in message
 news:c3jf4j$bhp$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 I also find that when I am reading the hard version,
 my wife isnt nagging me for "sitting at the computer for hours" :o))




 Invite the guys over for beer, potato chips and an afternoon watching
 football instead :-)



 You can't take a laptop in the bath, or standing up on a
 bus/train/tram/ferry, or while driving.


 I hope you're not reading a paperback while driving, we need you here in


one

 piece <g>.


I was practising my "exercise for the reader" techniques to see whether
anyone was awake. <G>
Mar 21 2004
prev sibling parent "Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:
The coppers are worried about people
sending SMS's while driving, and you
are reading while driving?

LOL

Phill.


"Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> wrote in message
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 "Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> wrote in message
 news:c3j361$2q8p$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:c3irca$2dak$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Andrew Edwards" <remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> wrote in message
 news:opr46oe9bfs6zaqn news.digitalmars.com...

 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer




 screen.

 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in






 html

 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick








up

 a

 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon...








Certainly

 not

 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and




 making

 money will be someone else's problem).


 Both have their place. The soft version is great for lookups,






searches,

 and

 quick checking. The hard version is great for settling down to study






it.


 I also find that when I am reading the hard version,
 my wife isnt nagging me for "sitting at the computer for hours" :o))


 You can't take a laptop in the bath, or standing up on a
 bus/train/tram/ferry, or while driving.

 I just hate e-books. :(





 Mar 21 2004



prev sibling next sibling parent  C <dont respond.com>  writes:


Too true, I hate reading a book off the screen.  Plus theres something =

comforting about a physicall book.  I can't find myself getting excited =
to =

buy an ebook and sit at my desk ( where im at 9 hours out of the day =

anyway ) and read it.  I'm already excited about 'D in a nutshell' :).  =

( I hope they don't go with D in 24 hours / 24 days etc. :S )

C

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:19:47 -0500, Andrew Edwards =

<remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> wrote:


 On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:13:55 +1100, Phill <phill pacific.net.au> wrote=


:

 If you make an E Book, it is going to be more or less free to a lot o=




f

 people anyway.
 With these file swapping programs around now, it  would be make it ha=




rd =


 to
 make any money on
 the net.

 Phill.


 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer =



 screen. Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely availab=


le =


 in html format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to=


 =


 pick up a printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic =



 books replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... =



 Certainly not in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be lon=


g =


 gone and making money will be someone else's problem).

 Andrew




-- =

D Newsgroup.



 Mar 20 2004



prev sibling next sibling parent  J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au>  writes:


Andrew Edwards wrote:


 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer 
 screen. Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely 
 available in html format, but as soon as they are published, millions 
 run out to pick up a printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see 
 electronic books replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time 
 soon... Certainly not in my generation (at the end of which Walter 
 will be long gone and making money will be someone else's problem).

 Andrew


true, also I think reading off the screen has proven to be slower (about 
40% slower).

-- 
-Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/



 Mar 20 2004



prev sibling  parent  roland <--rv ronetech.com>  writes:


Andrew Edwards a écrit :

 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer 
 screen. Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available 
 in html format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to 
 pick up a printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic 
 books replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... 
 Certainly not in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long 
 gone and making money will be someone else's problem).
 
 Andrew


Remember this one ?

news://news.digitalmars.com:119/am636v$ii3$1 digitaldaemon.com

[QUOTE]
-------- Original Message --------
Objet: off topic
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:14:55 +0000 (UTC)
De: bw
Société: [http://www.pathlink.com]
Forums: c++

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trade-named: BOOK.

BOOK is a revolutionary breakthrough in technology: no wires, no
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BOOK never crashes or requires re-booting.  The "browse" feature
allows you to move instantly to any sheet, and move forward or
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Conversely, numerous BOOKmarkers can be used in a single BOOK if
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precursor of a new entertainment wave.  Also, BOOK's appeal seems
so certain that thousands of content creators have committed to the
platform and investors are reportedly flocking.  Look for a flood
of new titles soon.
[/QUOTE]



 Apr 22 2004



prev sibling  parent  "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com>  writes:


"Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> wrote in message
news:c3ic6h$1ka6$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 If you make an E Book, it is going to be more or less free to a lot of
 people anyway.
 With these file swapping programs around now, it  would be make it hard to
 make any money on
 the net.


I have no interest whatsoever in ebooks and their DRM. If we do an online
version, it will be either html or pdf. I prefer html.



 Mar 20 2004



prev sibling  parent  Ilya Minkov <minkov cs.tum.edu>  writes:


Walter schrieb:

 I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html


Wonderful.

It would be also interesting to read the questions from the public and 
the answers.

-eye



 Mar 20 2004