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D - new D newsgroups

reply "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here propagated
is they have to be renamed. "D" just wasn't unique enough <g>. But renaming
the D newsgroup will screw up a lot of things. So, two new newsgroups have
been created:

digitalmars.D
digitalmars.D.bugs

In digitalmars.D.bugs should go bug reports and followups to them. Please
don't put in here questions about D, or proposed new features, etc. It
should be bug reports only, which will make it much easier for people to
peruse to see if they are experiencing a reported bug or not.

In digitalmars.D should go everything else about D that formerly went into
the D newsgroup.

For ongoing existing threads in the D newsgroup, continue posting in D but
please just add digitalmars.D to the newsgroup list it will be posted to.

The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some
software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g> that
would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire
the group and b) it will be indexed by Google.

Thanks,
-Walter
Apr 26 2004
next sibling parent reply "Carlos Santander B." <carlos8294 msn.com> writes:
"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:c6k7pr$20qs$1 digitaldaemon.com
| It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here
propagated
| is they have to be renamed. "D" just wasn't unique enough <g>. But
renaming
| the D newsgroup will screw up a lot of things. So, two new newsgroups have
| been created:
|
| digitalmars.D
| digitalmars.D.bugs
|
| In digitalmars.D.bugs should go bug reports and followups to them. Please
| don't put in here questions about D, or proposed new features, etc. It
| should be bug reports only, which will make it much easier for people to
| peruse to see if they are experiencing a reported bug or not.
|
| In digitalmars.D should go everything else about D that formerly went into
| the D newsgroup.
|
| For ongoing existing threads in the D newsgroup, continue posting in D but
| please just add digitalmars.D to the newsgroup list it will be posted to.
|
| The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some
| software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g>
that
| would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire
| the group and b) it will be indexed by Google.
|
| Thanks,
| -Walter

I guess you and Jan are the ones to thank.
Hey! First one to post here! Yay!

-----------------------
Carlos Santander Bernal
Apr 26 2004
parent "Carlos Santander B." <carlos8294 msn.com> writes:
"Carlos Santander B." <carlos8294 msn.com> wrote in message
news:c6k8pj$22f4$1 digitaldaemon.com
|
| I guess you and Jan are the ones to thank.
| Hey! First one to post here! Yay!
|

... besides Walter and Jan, that is.

-----------------------
Carlos Santander Bernal
Apr 26 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Walter wrote:

 The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some
 software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g> that
 would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire
 the group and b) it will be indexed by Google.


The articles are convertable, it is just a LOT of work.
When Linda is in Vegas/Mexico by the end of next month I might get to it.

Thanks!
Jan


-- 
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper

But as for me and my household, we shall use Mozilla...
www.mozilla.org
Apr 26 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:
Why does the original D have to die (or be ignored)? I don't get it. It seems
like a mistake to me.


"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:c6k7pr$20qs$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here propagated
 is they have to be renamed. "D" just wasn't unique enough <g>. But renaming
 the D newsgroup will screw up a lot of things. So, two new newsgroups have
 been created:

 digitalmars.D
 digitalmars.D.bugs

 In digitalmars.D.bugs should go bug reports and followups to them. Please
 don't put in here questions about D, or proposed new features, etc. It
 should be bug reports only, which will make it much easier for people to
 peruse to see if they are experiencing a reported bug or not.

 In digitalmars.D should go everything else about D that formerly went into
 the D newsgroup.

 For ongoing existing threads in the D newsgroup, continue posting in D but
 please just add digitalmars.D to the newsgroup list it will be posted to.

 The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some
 software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g> that
 would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire
 the group and b) it will be indexed by Google.

 Thanks,
 -Walter
Apr 26 2004
parent reply "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message
news:c6kf86$2d9r$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Why does the original D have to die (or be ignored)? I don't get it. It


seems

 like a mistake to me.


Because with a one letter name for the forum, it will never get propagated
and (as far as I can tell) google will not index it. It's normal practice in
the industry to prefix the company name to private newsgroups, and then
sometimes others will pick them up and propagate them. Some examples are:

microsoft.*
borland.*
openwatcom.*

etc. Basically, it's being a good news citizen to name them this way.
Apr 26 2004
parent "AJ" <aj nospam.net> writes:
Walter wrote:

 "Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message
 news:c6kf86$2d9r$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Why does the original D have to die (or be ignored)? I don't get it.
 It seems like a mistake to me.


 Because with a one letter name for the forum, it will never get
 propagated and (as far as I can tell) google will not index it. It's
 normal practice in the industry to prefix the company name to private
 newsgroups, and then sometimes others will pick them up and propagate
 them. Some examples are:

 microsoft.*
 borland.*
 openwatcom.*

 etc. Basically, it's being a good news citizen to name them this way.


Walter D: going for volume marketing and sheeple appeal? And what about 
those wayyyy over-priced conferences of yours? Would do the participants do 
better with my suggestions for best compiler books? Or giving you boku 
money? What were you thinking dude? How important do you think you are? 
Don't disquise your need as value when it is a charity event. Get some 
humility, bitch.
Nov 21 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Norbert Nemec <Norbert.Nemec gmx.de> writes:
What about D.gnu? Most appropriate place might be gnu.gdc, but: is the gdc a
official GNU project or does it just use the gcc as backend?

It would be reasonable to think about making it an official GNU project. GNU
has a few conditions for projects that are to become part of GNU, but I
believe it would be the right step. Up to the decision of David, of course.

The considerations about the naming of the newsgroup should probably be
stalled until this is cleared up.



Walter wrote:


 It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here
 propagated is they have to be renamed. "D" just wasn't unique enough <g>.
 But renaming the D newsgroup will screw up a lot of things. So, two new
 newsgroups have been created:
 
 digitalmars.D
 digitalmars.D.bugs
 
 In digitalmars.D.bugs should go bug reports and followups to them. Please
 don't put in here questions about D, or proposed new features, etc. It
 should be bug reports only, which will make it much easier for people to
 peruse to see if they are experiencing a reported bug or not.
 
 In digitalmars.D should go everything else about D that formerly went into
 the D newsgroup.
 
 For ongoing existing threads in the D newsgroup, continue posting in D but
 please just add digitalmars.D to the newsgroup list it will be posted to.
 
 The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some
 software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g>
 that would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a)
 retire the group and b) it will be indexed by Google.
 
 Thanks,
 -Walter
Apr 26 2004
next sibling parent "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
I'd like gdc to become an official GNU project, which is why I did hold off
on renaming it.

"Norbert Nemec" <Norbert.Nemec gmx.de> wrote in message
news:c6kspi$3dh$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 What about D.gnu? Most appropriate place might be gnu.gdc, but: is the gdc


a

 official GNU project or does it just use the gcc as backend?

 It would be reasonable to think about making it an official GNU project.


GNU

 has a few conditions for projects that are to become part of GNU, but I
 believe it would be the right step. Up to the decision of David, of


course.

 The considerations about the naming of the newsgroup should probably be
 stalled until this is cleared up.
Apr 26 2004
prev sibling parent David Friedman <d3rdclsmail earthlink.net> writes:
It's not an official project yet.  At the very least, I have to reformat 
the source code to the GNU style ;-).  I do plan on submitting it when 
it becomes stable.

David

Norbert Nemec wrote:


 What about D.gnu? Most appropriate place might be gnu.gdc, but: is the gdc a
 official GNU project or does it just use the gcc as backend?
 
 It would be reasonable to think about making it an official GNU project. GNU
 has a few conditions for projects that are to become part of GNU, but I
 believe it would be the right step. Up to the decision of David, of course.
 
 The considerations about the naming of the newsgroup should probably be
 stalled until this is cleared up.
 
 
 
 Walter wrote:
 
 

It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here
propagated is they have to be renamed. "D" just wasn't unique enough <g>.
But renaming the D newsgroup will screw up a lot of things. So, two new
newsgroups have been created:

digitalmars.D
digitalmars.D.bugs

In digitalmars.D.bugs should go bug reports and followups to them. Please
don't put in here questions about D, or proposed new features, etc. It
should be bug reports only, which will make it much easier for people to
peruse to see if they are experiencing a reported bug or not.

In digitalmars.D should go everything else about D that formerly went into
the D newsgroup.

For ongoing existing threads in the D newsgroup, continue posting in D but
please just add digitalmars.D to the newsgroup list it will be posted to.

The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some
software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g>
that would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a)
retire the group and b) it will be indexed by Google.

Thanks,
-Walter
Apr 28 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Marc" <mcote333 sympatico.ca> writes:
"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote


 The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some
 software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g>


that

 would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire
 the group and b) it will be indexed by Google.


Ok,  half-way there.

What is done:

    Downlaoded  28647  messages
    Verified that there is no duplicates Message-ID
    each message converted to 1 .eml file
        (using dbxconv, found on the net)
    each eml file converted to 1 html file
        (using eml2html.c, which i created for this task)

To do:

    linking them
    producing an index by date, thread, ...
    use a style sheet for the presentation
    better presentation (Color, Font, ...)
    What to do with attachements
    3 files cannot be opened - to be fixed
    besides From, Date and Subject, want to use
        other fields ?

Walter: I took the liberty to reuse your logo just keep
a look similar to your site.

The program ( eml2html.c  ) is GNU

Please give your comments and ideas.

Who will hosts the 30000 html files ?

Marc




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Apr 27 2004
parent reply Brad Anderson <brad sankaty.dot.com> writes:
Marc wrote:

 "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote
 
 

The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some
software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g>


 
 that
 

would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire
the group and b) it will be indexed by Google.


 
 
 Ok,  half-way there.
 


Marc,

Sounds good.  Also, is there a chance that you could slightly modify the 
  converter tool so that email addresses could be mangled a bit so that 
spam-bots don't come through and harvest all of the addresses?

BA



 What is done:
 
     Downlaoded  28647  messages
     Verified that there is no duplicates Message-ID
     each message converted to 1 .eml file
         (using dbxconv, found on the net)
     each eml file converted to 1 html file
         (using eml2html.c, which i created for this task)
 
 To do:
 
     linking them
     producing an index by date, thread, ...
     use a style sheet for the presentation
     better presentation (Color, Font, ...)
     What to do with attachements
     3 files cannot be opened - to be fixed
     besides From, Date and Subject, want to use
         other fields ?
 
 Walter: I took the liberty to reuse your logo just keep
 a look similar to your site.
 
 The program ( eml2html.c  ) is GNU
 
 Please give your comments and ideas.
 
 Who will hosts the 30000 html files ?
 
 Marc
Apr 27 2004
parent reply "Marc" <mcote333 sympatico.ca> writes:
 Sounds good.  Also, is there a chance that you could slightly modify the
   converter tool so that email addresses could be mangled a bit so that
 spam-bots don't come through and harvest all of the addresses?


Yes.

Is    "brad[AT]sankaty{DOT}dot{DOT}com" mangled enough ?

Another way is to simply removed all email adresses.

Marc
Apr 27 2004
parent Brad Anderson <brad dsource.dot.org> writes:
Marc wrote:

Sounds good.  Also, is there a chance that you could slightly modify the
  converter tool so that email addresses could be mangled a bit so that
spam-bots don't come through and harvest all of the addresses?


 
 
 Yes.
 
 Is    "brad[AT]sankaty{DOT}dot{DOT}com" mangled enough ?


That should be fine.  I already did a bit of mangling, but others haven't.


 Another way is to simply removed all email adresses.


I think leaving them is probably better, because you can then track the 
person down if you want to ask them a question about the post.  Make sense?


Thanks for this effort !!

BA
Apr 27 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Norbert Nemec <Norbert.Nemec gmx.de> writes:
How about trying to fade out the use of the old group as fast as possible?
How about sending an automatic daily message to the old list telling people
no to post any new threads there and move to the new list instead.



Walter wrote:


 It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here
 propagated is they have to be renamed. "D" just wasn't unique enough <g>.
 But renaming the D newsgroup will screw up a lot of things. So, two new
 newsgroups have been created:
 
 digitalmars.D
 digitalmars.D.bugs
 
 In digitalmars.D.bugs should go bug reports and followups to them. Please
 don't put in here questions about D, or proposed new features, etc. It
 should be bug reports only, which will make it much easier for people to
 peruse to see if they are experiencing a reported bug or not.
 
 In digitalmars.D should go everything else about D that formerly went into
 the D newsgroup.
 
 For ongoing existing threads in the D newsgroup, continue posting in D but
 please just add digitalmars.D to the newsgroup list it will be posted to.
 
 The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some
 software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g>
 that would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a)
 retire the group and b) it will be indexed by Google.
 
 Thanks,
 -Walter
Apr 29 2004
next sibling parent J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:
Norbert Nemec wrote:


How about trying to fade out the use of the old group as fast as possible?
How about sending an automatic daily message to the old list telling people
no to post any new threads there and move to the new list instead.
  


Or just banning write access (eventually).  People can reply to the 
newsgroup by d.d

-- 
-Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/
Apr 29 2004
prev sibling parent reply John Reimer <brk_6502 NOSP_AM.yahoo.com> writes:
Norbert Nemec wrote:

 How about trying to fade out the use of the old group as fast as possible?
 How about sending an automatic daily message to the old list telling people
 no to post any new threads there and move to the new list instead.
 
 


I think what almost has to be done (eventually) is disable posting to 
the newsgroup.  It could remain read only.  Those that do post to the 
newsgroup could receive an immediate return mail telling them that the 
newsgroup is no longer available for posting.  The message would refer 
them to the new newsgroup.  I don't know how hard it would be to 
implement this, though.
May 04 2004
parent reply Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
John Reimer wrote:

<snip>

 I think what almost has to be done (eventually) is disable posting to 
 the newsgroup.  It could remain read only.  Those that do post to the 
 newsgroup could receive an immediate return mail telling them that the 
 newsgroup is no longer available for posting.


Immediate return _mail_?  You mean a simple server error wouldn't get 
through?

The inefficiency of trying to mail attempted posters'll be obvious if 
you've ever posted under an anti-spam (either munged or container) address.

Stewart.

-- 
My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox, aside from its being the 
unfortunate victim of intensive mail-bombing at the moment.  Please keep 
replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit.
May 05 2004
parent John Reimer <brk_6502 NOSP_AM.yahoo.com> writes:
Stewart Gordon wrote:

 John Reimer wrote:
 
 <snip>
 

 I think what almost has to be done (eventually) is disable posting to 
 the newsgroup.  It could remain read only.  Those that do post to the 
 newsgroup could receive an immediate return mail telling them that the 
 newsgroup is no longer available for posting.


 
 
 Immediate return _mail_?  You mean a simple server error wouldn't get 
 through?
 
 The inefficiency of trying to mail attempted posters'll be obvious if 
 you've ever posted under an anti-spam (either munged or container) address.
 
 Stewart.
 


Of course you're right... I'm afraid I never thought much deeper than 2 
centimeters on that one.
May 08 2004
prev sibling parent reply "AJ" <aj nospam.net> writes:
Walter wrote:


 It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here
 propagated is they have to be renamed.


Ah, mass-marketing. A sign of a dead company. Rember Borland? Walter, surely 
you can relate. Borland circa 1993. Continued the downhill for 2 decades. 
Are you on the same path?

OK, no more consulting for D. That's all I have to say. Good luck. Don't 
kill yourself or anyone else. When you are ready to shut down this IT 
project gone awry, you can throw me a million dollars and show you how to 
make money from the ashes.

(I am sooo bad!!!)
Nov 21 2009
parent "AJ" <aj nospam.net> writes:
AJ wrote:

 Walter wrote:


 It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here
 propagated is they have to be renamed.


 Ah, mass-marketing. A sign of a dead company. Rember Borland? Walter,
 surely you can relate. Borland circa 1993. Continued the downhill for
 2 decades. Are you on the same path?

 OK, no more consulting for D. That's all I have to say. Good luck.
 Don't kill yourself or anyone else. When you are ready to shut down
 this IT project gone awry, you can throw me a million dollars and
 show you how to make money from the ashes.

 (I am sooo bad!!!)


I'm serious this time: no more consulting to Mr. D.
Nov 21 2009