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reply "Samuel Martín Valentín" <samuelmv ya.com> writes:
Hi everybody!!

I've been reading the D forum for 3 months now. I think it's 95% of my
perfect language (the 5% you can find in
http://nice.sourceforge.net/index.html with the help of some sintax sugar),
thanks Walter!!!

Well, I think it's time to work on the D library, and I would like to help:
    - I think all us will agree that most of the D library should work on
Windows and Linux, and I should be free (freedom) but with a license that
allows you to write comercial source-closed software.
    - I'm working in a event library and a network library (a lot of
research and a little of code ;-) in Linux, but I think I could do it for
Windows also. My idea it's to have the classic socket interface, and an
event-oriented interface for network communications.
    - I think we could use common event classes for all the libraries
(network, GUI -I like the SWT idea-, xml parsing, states machines, etc.)
    - Probably, the way to go it's to write down all the classes/libraries

would like to work on them (just a little bit of organization, we are
few...)

Thanks, comments please.

            Samuel from Spain.
Jan 24 2004
parent reply Matthias Becker <Matthias_member pathlink.com> writes:
Well, I think it's time to work on the D library, and I would like to help:
    - I think all us will agree that most of the D library should work on
Windows and Linux, and I should be free (freedom) but with a license that
allows you to write comercial source-closed software.


Nobody likes MacOS X :(


    - Probably, the way to go it's to write down all the classes/libraries

would like to work on them (just a little bit of organization, we are
few...)


Something that can compete with .Net would be VERY nice, but This will take a
long time, IMHO.
Jan 24 2004
next sibling parent reply "Samuel" <samuelmv ya.com> writes:
"Matthias Becker" <Matthias_member pathlink.com> escribió en el mensaje
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Well, I think it's time to work on the D library, and I would like to




help:

    - I think all us will agree that most of the D library should work on
Windows and Linux, and I should be free (freedom) but with a license that
allows you to write comercial source-closed software.


 Nobody likes MacOS X :(


I like MacOS X (my next computer is an Apple :-), but DMD doesn't support
PowerPC :-(
I think that if we design a good API it hasn't to be very difficult to port
it to Mac (just a few quirks)


    - Probably, the way to go it's to write down all the




classes/libraries






who

would like to work on them (just a little bit of organization, we are
few...)


 Something that can compete with .Net would be VERY nice, but This will


take a

 long time, IMHO.


True, but we have to start at some moment, and it's better if we plan it
soon, before there is too much legacy code, or people starts reinventing the
wheel again. At least, it seems that there is some agreement about the GUI,
developing a kind of SWT for D. I think the main reason that could keep
mainstream programmer from using D is the language standard library (and
add-ons libraries).

I'm mainly a Java programmer (although I started programming with C and C++
when I was a teenager), and the "productivity" comes (like Python) from a
general good design of the language and a huge class library. I think D has
better design than Java, and I can live without closures, tuples, etc.
(well, I would like to have an improved version of the templates -auto
deduction- and operators overload -opContains/opIn-), what I really need is
a good and portable class library (we know what works and what doesn't).

I have little time, but I'd spend it in D. Thanks.

Samuel
Jan 24 2004
parent reply "C" <dont respond.com> writes:
 True, but we have to start at some moment, and it's better if we plan it
 soon, before there is too much legacy code, or people starts reinventing


the

 wheel again.


I totally agree , we should layout who wants to do what , but having tried
that a couple times before I know its hard to get people interested /
started.

I'm still working on Windy though it doesnt seem to be the peoples choice
;).  I also want to start a generic Database suite with a common interface
for mysql , mssql , acccess etc ( anyone know where I can get the headers
for access / mssql , or do I use type libraries ( Matthew wheres that tlb2d
? )).

I've never used Java OR .net , what type of classes are you wanting / is in
those suites?

I for one would LOVE a curl type library, so I could start using D at work.

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Well, I think it's time to work on the D library, and I would like to




 help:

    - I think all us will agree that most of the D library should work






on

Windows and Linux, and I should be free (freedom) but with a license






that

allows you to write comercial source-closed software.


 Nobody likes MacOS X :(


 I like MacOS X (my next computer is an Apple :-), but DMD doesn't support
 PowerPC :-(
 I think that if we design a good API it hasn't to be very difficult to


port

 it to Mac (just a few quirks)


    - Probably, the way to go it's to write down all the




 classes/libraries






 who

would like to work on them (just a little bit of organization, we are
few...)


 Something that can compete with .Net would be VERY nice, but This will


 take a

 long time, IMHO.


 True, but we have to start at some moment, and it's better if we plan it
 soon, before there is too much legacy code, or people starts reinventing


the

 wheel again. At least, it seems that there is some agreement about the


GUI,

 developing a kind of SWT for D. I think the main reason that could keep
 mainstream programmer from using D is the language standard library (and
 add-ons libraries).

 I'm mainly a Java programmer (although I started programming with C and


C++

 when I was a teenager), and the "productivity" comes (like Python) from a
 general good design of the language and a huge class library. I think D


has

 better design than Java, and I can live without closures, tuples, etc.
 (well, I would like to have an improved version of the templates -auto
 deduction- and operators overload -opContains/opIn-), what I really need


is

 a good and portable class library (we know what works and what doesn't).

 I have little time, but I'd spend it in D. Thanks.

 Samuel
Jan 24 2004
parent Matthias Becker <Matthias_member pathlink.com> writes:
I've never used Java OR .net , what type of classes are you wanting / is in
those suites?


Threads, GUI, ... everything you commonly need. But I prefer C++ STL
container/algorithms over .Net collections/algorithms.
Jan 26 2004
prev sibling parent Andy Friesen <andy ikagames.com> writes:
Matthias Becker wrote:


Well, I think it's time to work on the D library, and I would like to help:
   - I think all us will agree that most of the D library should work on
Windows and Linux, and I should be free (freedom) but with a license that
allows you to write comercial source-closed software.


 
 Nobody likes MacOS X :(


Nobody's thinking about it just now because D is currently x86 only. 
Ben Hinkle has had some success rigging the DMD frontend up to gcc 
already, so sit tight. :)


   - Probably, the way to go it's to write down all the classes/libraries

would like to work on them (just a little bit of organization, we are
few...)


 
 
 Something that can compete with .Net would be VERY nice, but This will take a
 long time, IMHO.


I dunno if it'll take *that* long.  After all, there are so many great 
designs that we can borrow from! (that being said, I am an optimist)

  -- andy
Jan 24 2004