D - D book
- Vaygr Bomber (4/4) Oct 07 2003 Will there be an official D book? An example would be the
- Friedrich Dominicus (4/10) Oct 08 2003 May I ask if you have an idea on how much work has to be put into a book...
- Helmut Leitner (10/15) Oct 08 2003 I'm sure there will be an official D book, because that's unavoidable.
- Matthew Wilson (3/18) Oct 08 2003 You seem to be most insighful on several points ... ;)
- Ilya Minkov (12/15) Oct 15 2003 I strongly suspect Walter prefers writing compilers instead of books.
- Walter (5/19) Oct 16 2003 One of the problems I'd have writing a book (besides being a lousy write...
- Matthew Wilson (4/7) Oct 16 2003 It pays badly enough as it is, how d'you expect anyone to do it (unless ...
- Helmut Leitner (18/27) Oct 17 2003 That's why I think work should be distributed.
- Mark T (11/18) Oct 25 2003 I've always liked the O'Reilly Nutshell books. I have purchased a few ov...
- Samuel Barber (6/9) Oct 17 2003 You might be surprised. I know of (non-fiction) writers who web their st...
- Walter (7/15) Oct 19 2003 writer)
Will there be an official D book? An example would be the "Oreilly D in a Nutshell" or the "Oreilly D Cookbook" or "Programming D" each by Walter of course. Other publishers would also be possible. You could include the open source version of D.
Oct 07 2003
Friedrich Dominicus <frido q-software-solutions.com> Vaygr Bomber wrote:Will there be an official D book? An example would be the "Oreilly D in a Nutshell" or the "Oreilly D Cookbook" or "Programming D" each by Walter of course. Other publishers would also be possible. You could include the open source version of D.May I ask if you have an idea on how much work has to be put into a book? Regards Friedrich
Oct 08 2003
Vaygr Bomber wrote:Will there be an official D book? An example would be the "Oreilly D in a Nutshell" or the "Oreilly D Cookbook" or "Programming D" each by Walter of course. Other publishers would also be possible. You could include the open source version of D.I'm sure there will be an official D book, because that's unavoidable. The best chance might be that we can talk Matthew into authoring such a book, perhaps in a team with Walter and a few others to help. But it wouldn't be senseful and fair to buyers to write such a book before the standard library has materilized and stabilized. So this may be a year or two in the future. -- Helmut Leitner leitner hls.via.at Graz, Austria www.hls-software.com
Oct 08 2003
You seem to be most insighful on several points ... ;) "Helmut Leitner" <leitner hls.via.at> wrote in message news:3F842943.7B64EB12 hls.via.at...Vaygr Bomber wrote:Will there be an official D book? An example would be the "Oreilly D in a Nutshell" or the "Oreilly D Cookbook" or "Programming D" each by Walter of course. Other publishers would also be possible. You could include the open source version of D.I'm sure there will be an official D book, because that's unavoidable. The best chance might be that we can talk Matthew into authoring such a book, perhaps in a team with Walter and a few others to help. But it wouldn't be senseful and fair to buyers to write such a book before the standard library has materilized and stabilized. So this may be a year or two in the future. -- Helmut Leitner leitner hls.via.at Graz, Austria www.hls-software.com
Oct 08 2003
Vaygr Bomber wrote:Will there be an official D book? An example would be the "Oreilly D in a Nutshell" or the "Oreilly D Cookbook" or "Programming D" each by Walter of course.I strongly suspect Walter prefers writing compilers instead of books. Maybe if you were to write a book he could possibly assist you by writing a book compiler. ;) There have been some efforts in the community to start writing a book. It's just too early for that now. Most importantly, Bruce Eckel keeps his eyes open on D and shall be among the first to write a book. Knowing the quality of the other books he wrote, you could call it official right away. :) It would be nice to see a few chapters written by various authors (Walter, Mathew) though, and the book should be available online. -eye
Oct 15 2003
"Ilya Minkov" <minkov cs.tum.edu> wrote in message news:bmkg3k$15b3$1 digitaldaemon.com...Vaygr Bomber wrote:One of the problems I'd have writing a book (besides being a lousy writer) is I'd prefer to just post it all online. Book publishers aren't too interested in that <g>.Will there be an official D book? An example would be the "Oreilly D in a Nutshell" or the "Oreilly D Cookbook" or "Programming D" each by Walter of course.I strongly suspect Walter prefers writing compilers instead of books. Maybe if you were to write a book he could possibly assist you by writing a book compiler. ;) There have been some efforts in the community to start writing a book. It's just too early for that now. Most importantly, Bruce Eckel keeps his eyes open on D and shall be among the first to write a book. Knowing the quality of the other books he wrote, you could call it official right away. :) It would be nice to see a few chapters written by various authors (Walter, Mathew) though, and the book should be available online.
Oct 16 2003
One of the problems I'd have writing a book (besides being a lousy writer) is I'd prefer to just post it all online. Book publishers aren't too interested in that <g>.It pays badly enough as it is, how d'you expect anyone to do it (unless they were independently wealthy). Apparently Bjarne Stroustrup, who's TC++PL is one of the biggest sellers ever, has said that book only allowed him to pay for one child's education. A tropical island it ain't!
Oct 16 2003
Matthew Wilson wrote:That's why I think work should be distributed. - the basic introduction and reference (exists anyway, Walter) - a tutorial (will exist sooner or later in sufficient quality) - a complete library reference (must be created anyway with the library) - a few real world sample applications will bring the authors a long way towards the finished book. A book will gain little for it's authors but reputation. But reputation is a "symbolic capital" that can be converted to profit. The printed book is more important than the online version, because it would put D as a language in different league. Online you can describe anything. But you print only things that are stable enough to hold for a few years. Otherwise you've done all the work for nothing. A book is an important signal. -- Helmut Leitner leitner hls.via.at Graz, Austria www.hls-software.comOne of the problems I'd have writing a book (besides being a lousy writer) is I'd prefer to just post it all online. Book publishers aren't too interested in that <g>.It pays badly enough as it is, how d'you expect anyone to do it (unless they were independently wealthy). Apparently Bjarne Stroustrup, who's TC++PL is one of the biggest sellers ever, has said that book only allowed him to pay for one child's education. A tropical island it ain't!
Oct 17 2003
That's why I think work should be distributed. - the basic introduction and reference (exists anyway, Walter) - a tutorial (will exist sooner or later in sufficient quality) - a complete library reference (must be created anyway with the library) - a few real world sample applications will bring the authors a long way towards the finished book. A book is an important signal.I've always liked the O'Reilly Nutshell books. I have purchased a few over the years. Since I don't program very often in Java, I tend to use it as a refresher. I have the Java nutshell 2nd edition. It is now on the 4th edition. Maybe you could start by outlining the table of contents. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/javanut4/ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/javanut4/toc.html http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/cplsian/toc.html http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/delphi/toc.html http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/csharpnut2/toc.html I'm sure O'Reilly would publish it after D went 1.0 and not all the chapters were previously published on the web.
Oct 25 2003
"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:bmnq8r$2fu8$1 digitaldaemon.com...One of the problems I'd have writing a book (besides being a lousy writer) is I'd prefer to just post it all online. Book publishers aren't too interested in that <g>.You might be surprised. I know of (non-fiction) writers who web their stuff, and don't have any trouble getting it published. There does seem to be a general taboo against webbing fiction, however. Sam
Oct 17 2003
"Samuel Barber" <opendtv yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bmop9b$n05$1 digitaldaemon.com..."Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:bmnq8r$2fu8$1 digitaldaemon.com...writer)One of the problems I'd have writing a book (besides being a lousystuff,is I'd prefer to just post it all online. Book publishers aren't too interested in that <g>.You might be surprised. I know of (non-fiction) writers who web theirand don't have any trouble getting it published. There does seem to be a general taboo against webbing fiction, however.Perhaps it might work. I have a tendency to buy hardcopies of books even if I have them online. I also agree with Helmut that a printed D book would be a big milestone for the language.
Oct 19 2003