• "KarL" <none nowhere.org> Jun 17 2002
• Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> Jun 17 2002
• "KarL" <none nowhere.org> Jun 17 2002
• "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> Jun 18 2002
• "KarL" <none nowhere.org> Jun 18 2002
• "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> Jun 18 2002
• "KarL" <none nowhere.org> Jun 18 2002

Dear all,

Back in the old days before Walter released Zortech C++,
everyone was using some form of C++ -> C front end like
CFront from ATT or Glockenspiel C++ (which was bought by
CA and shelved).

I am trying to develop firmwares on embedded systems like
NEC microcontrollers, 8051-ish chips where C compilers
are plenty but not C++.

Does anyone in this group has some form of C++ to C
translator like Glockenspiel C++ which "might" allow me to
translate C++ code to C and then compile into ROM code?

As this project is to be handed to others to maintain etc,
it would not be nice for me to request others to have a huge
learning curve to know those heavy weight cross compiler
platform tools on Unix boxes, simple solutions like a C++
translator might do the job.

Let me know about the costings etc etc. if the world is really
that cruel, I would need to bite the bullet and do my own
translation stuff (hand code).

Better still - Walter make a native compiler for embedded
microcontrollers... :-)

 Back in the old days before Walter released Zortech C++,
 everyone was using some form of C++ -> C front end like
 CFront from ATT or Glockenspiel C++ (which was bought by
 CA and shelved).

 I am trying to develop firmwares on embedded systems like
 NEC microcontrollers, 8051-ish chips where C compilers
 are plenty but not C++.

 Does anyone in this group has some form of C++ to C
 translator like Glockenspiel C++ which "might" allow me to
 translate C++ code to C and then compile into ROM code?


I used to have one as well, but I do not seem to be able to find
the sources to it anymore.
If course since I wrote this thing over 10 years ago, it would not
be very up-to-date with the C++ standards anymore. Besides other
things I had understood and implemented wrongly.

 As this project is to be handed to others to maintain etc,
 it would not be nice for me to request others to have a huge
 learning curve to know those heavy weight cross compiler
 platform tools on Unix boxes, simple solutions like a C++
 translator might do the job.

 Let me know about the costings etc etc. if the world is really
 that cruel, I would need to bite the bullet and do my own
 translation stuff (hand code).

 Better still - Walter make a native compiler for embedded
 microcontrollers... :-)


Now that would be really cool!
I have heard there is a 86000 back-end, but I would not know how
up-to-date it is with the current compiler.

Jan

"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.cc> wrote in message
news:3D0E1DF0.43F4B63 smartsoft.cc...

 Does anyone in this group has some form of C++ to C
 translator like Glockenspiel C++ which "might" allow me to
 translate C++ code to C and then compile into ROM code?


 I used to have one as well, but I do not seem to be able to find
 the sources to it anymore.
 If course since I wrote this thing over 10 years ago, it would not
 be very up-to-date with the C++ standards anymore. Besides other
 things I had understood and implemented wrongly.


On one hand I don't need templates and etc, just good class support
like cfront 1.0 or cfront 2.0 or Glockenspiel would do since my main
projects are embedded DOS stuff. On the other hand, I would also
like to implement a good thread libraries which can be multi-platform
like the NEC V850, so something better would be nice.

I am trying to create a Java-ish thread libraries borrowing those
synchronised stuff to avoid using monitors.

Unfortunately I don't own the Glockenspiel C++ and those people
who used to own them has "disposed" of them after Lattice/Visual C++
came out. I am in Australia and stuff like that are quite rare. Even ebay
doesn't have them.

 Better still - Walter make a native compiler for embedded
 microcontrollers... :-)


 Now that would be really cool!
 I have heard there is a 86000 back-end, but I would not know how
 up-to-date it is with the current compiler.


You mean 68000 back-end?

For the price of those commercial C++ compilers for embedded systems
that are currently out there, we are talking of thousands of dollars. Cygwin
and Redhat does provide cross C++ ports but there are not for normal
"Windows" educated engineers.

The chip sets for the 8051, NEC 78KIV, NEC V850 are Intel based anyway
and wouldn't be hard for someone like Walter. But I think Walter should make
D happen first unless making money is another thing.

Looks like time to dig into the DJGPP...

"KarL" <none nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:aek4pa$1bdr$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Does anyone in this group has some form of C++ to C
 translator like Glockenspiel C++ which "might" allow me to
 translate C++ code to C and then compile into ROM code?


Try Comeau C++. It's a translator.

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:aenn27$2hku$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 "KarL" <none nowhere.org> wrote in message
 news:aek4pa$1bdr$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Does anyone in this group has some form of C++ to C
 translator like Glockenspiel C++ which "might" allow me to
 translate C++ code to C and then compile into ROM code?


 Try Comeau C++. It's a translator.


That's what I had in mind but spelt it wrongly in the subject
line. It's Comeau Computing that makes those front end C++
translator for most other C++ compiler maker - Greenhills, Dinkum
etc etc.

Thanks for the pointer - I've forgotten the spellings....

"KarL" <none nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:aeojfq$dn5$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 That's what I had in mind but spelt it wrongly in the subject
 line. It's Comeau Computing that makes those front end C++
 translator for most other C++ compiler maker - Greenhills, Dinkum
 etc etc.

 Thanks for the pointer - I've forgotten the spellings....


Comeau Computing packages and sells EDG's translator. I don't think EDG
sells to end users, but I think there are several commercial C++ products
based on EDG's work.

Greg Comeau runs Comeau Computing, he's a very nice person and has a great
product.

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:aeonir$hsl$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Comeau Computing packages and sells EDG's translator. I don't think EDG
 sells to end users, but I think there are several commercial C++ products
 based on EDG's work.


Yeah, too many.

 Greg Comeau runs Comeau Computing, he's a very nice person and has a great
 product.


Back when I was in a University, it is easy to make a case to get the
department
to get a license for cfront from AT&T. Unfortunately I cannot see the point
of getting cfront 3.0 from Lucent for USD$995 just to do C++ -> C
translations.

Comeau says its translator is USD$50 just like DMC++ CD. I can afford
that I suppose.

Thanks Walter.