digitalmars.D - user narratives and communicating the benefit of D to the enterprise
- Laeeth Isharc (112/112) Aug 31 2015 I collected together a few of these here:
"Laeeth Isharc" <spamnolaeeth nospamlaeeth.com> writes:
I collected together a few of these here: http://wiki.dlang.org/User_narratives_on_switching_to_D Forgive my non-existent markup skills, and the text itself could do with some polishing. Please do feel free to refine and extend these. However I truly think that these can be very powerful in getting across the reasons why should someone should consider D. We do a great job with sourcing, preparing, and cooking the steak. Selling the sizzle is a work-in-progress, but if you think that D can benefit from broader corporate adoption, it's one area where a little effort can go a long way. That doesn't mean telling a story that isn't true, but if someone is to appreciate why use D, then communicating the emotional sense of what is it like to switch must be a key part. There were lots of helpful 'suggestions' on the reddit thread, and whilst you should listen to free advice (good criticism is hard to come by), it's often worth about what you pay for it because the people giving it, although perhaps well-intentioned, aren't familiar with your particular circumstances, and it's often these that matter. As a newcomer to the forum and community, I am astonished by what people here have accomplished with very little funding. Obviously one talented programmer is better than a great deal of funding, but it seems like D might be at the point where a little might help. For example, there are people on the forum who have expressed their willingness to take a big pay cut to work on their already well-loved libraries for a few months if they could have some contribution to bills (a large amount to pay personally, not large in the scheme of things), and on the other hand given the nature of the people drawn to D, perhaps documentation is also an area where some sponsorship could help. It's easiest to raise that from corporate sources I would think, but to appeal to this market you need to speak their language somewhat. At the moment, my uninformed impression is that we do a much better job of appealing to smart programmers than communicating the practical benefits to an enterprise. The topic is on my mind personally as I am talking to a 2bn startup fund about helping them with some things. I have written some tools in D - it would have taken me longer to build them another way, and they wouldn't be as I wish had I done that (so I am very grateful to the compiler and library developers here for the gift of their work). Using D solves my main challenge, which is that when running money I will have very little time to grapple with things myself and yet on the other hand, there is benefit to having the technology and investment people be on the same page, approaching problems in a coherent manner (which is easier if you can just read the code), and there is benefit also to using native code, which will be fast. No silos for me. One may not need speed today (I am not a high-frequency guy), but given what's happening to data sets in relation to progress in the underlying hardware, I am pretty sure one will in a few years. And even today, the difference between a minute and ten seconds is huge if one is trying to understand a phenomenon. It's easy to say you can just scale up in the cloud, but the work involved to get there when you have a small overworked team isn't trivial. (It's not hard, I know). So I would like to continue to use D as others later start to build on what I began and, from that point of view, it's a pity that there isn't a nice place I can point them to that gets the commercial benefits across - we have a fragment here and there, but no coherent place that tells a compelling (truthful) story. The reddit talk is full of generalities about how the enterprise needs this or that to even consider using a language like D. I don't doubt this is representative of peoples' personal experiences, but it isn't true of the commercial world in general necessarily. There's a great deal of variation in the needs and cultures of enterprises . One doesn't need to appeal to everyone; just to make sure that those for whom one is a natural solution can find one and easily perceive how it will be useful. If that's a problem for me, it surely must be for others. I have one leg in the technology domain, and one in the commercial side (my real job is as a macro and fixed income trader/investor, but I came to see the need to develop some tools to help me - the challenge being complexity, but coming at a time when technology - used masterfully - can help significantly, and be a source of sustained advantage), and this perspective perhaps makes some things clearer that wouldn't be the case if standing only in tech or the business side. I really like what John Colvin and company are doing with dlangscience. His talk really made clear a similar insight in his world that applies even more strongly to the enterprise area. https://dlangscience.github.io/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edjrSDjkfko Ideally, I'd build a prototype portal to get across what I mean. I simply don't have the time at the moment as I have too much on my plate and certain other constraints. When I can, I'll contribute a little funding, but that likely will be a year or two away, depending on how things go. In the meantime, I am trying to do my bit where I can. I wrote a good part of the coming from python page (not original, but that's not the aim). I wasn't very well the other day and unhappy about feeling useless, so I tried to think of something I could do. I posted the Andrei story to Reddit - a tiny effort, but it received c. 1900 upvotes and I think was one of the best-read pieces this month and at least a few people probably will try D that wouldn't have tried it before. There are so many more easy wins if one just starts to think in this manner. But maybe we could make a start, just by adding to, and continuing to refine these narratives. And collecting various corporate use stories in one place. EMSI recently received very nice exposure in a New York Times piece on developments in the labour market that was really entirely based on their work. And their work is done in D. So we should somewhere get to a place where we highlight these kinds of success stories for D in a living way, and use appropriate channels to make people aware of them. The nice thing about a wiki format is one doesn't need to do much to be incrementally useful, and yet over time increments do add up. Laeeth.
Aug 31 2015
"Nicholas Wilson" <iamthewilsonator hotmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 31 August 2015 at 23:58:51 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:I collected together a few of these here: http://wiki.dlang.org/User_narratives_on_switching_to_D [...]Story 3 seems to be missing some links ...
Aug 31 2015
"Joakim" <dlang joakim.fea.st> writes:
On Monday, 31 August 2015 at 23:58:51 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:So we should somewhere get to a place where we highlight these kinds of success stories for D in a living way, and use appropriate channels to make people aware of them.I think dlang.org should have an about page, that includes some corporate quotes and successes, as I noted earlier: http://forum.dlang.org/post/vbiinjyuccnknidwuazf forum.dlang.org If you'd like to start one, I can help write it. Or I'll get around to submitting a PR eventually.
Aug 31 2015
"Laeeth Isharc" <Laeeth.nospam nospam-laeeth.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 1 September 2015 at 06:10:35 UTC, Joakim wrote:On Monday, 31 August 2015 at 23:58:51 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:Nice to have a summary, but of course one needs more than that over time. I will try to draft some raw text - markup isn't my thing. Might be a little while but will come back when I have something.So we should somewhere get to a place where we highlight these kinds of success stories for D in a living way, and use appropriate channels to make people aware of them.I think dlang.org should have an about page, that includes some corporate quotes and successes, as I noted earlier: http://forum.dlang.org/post/vbiinjyuccnknidwuazf forum.dlang.org If you'd like to start one, I can help write it. Or I'll get around to submitting a PR eventually.
Sep 01 2015