• dolive (3/3) Oct 05 2010 1, Little practical content
• Yao G. (5/7) Oct 05 2010 I don't understand this last point.
• dolive (2/14) Oct 05 2010 Don't read understand for templat + range for most people (Including me...
• Jimmy Cao (7/22) Oct 05 2010 Are you using a translator to translate from Chinese to English?
• dolive (2/14) Oct 05 2010 Don't read understand for templat + range for most people (Including me...
• Darth Tango (4/7) Oct 05 2010 Exackaly. Tango rulez.
• Juanjo Alvarez (4/7) Oct 05 2010 My Lord, how is the migration of Tango to D2 going? The last commit I
• Steven Schveighoffer (5/12) Oct 05 2010 Look at who did it :) I think it's safe to say D2 for tango isn't going...
• Jacob Carlborg (5/26) Oct 06 2010 I think someone else has started to work on this in a different
• Steven Schveighoffer (6/33) Oct 06 2010 Hm... there's nothing newer than a year in the branch directory of Tango...
• Nick Sabalausky (13/32) Oct 06 2010 IMHO, the primary reason for Tango has been eroding (at least for D2). A...
• Steven Schveighoffer (4/16) Oct 07 2010 As a library, I loved and used Tango for quite a while. It's still a ve...
• crap (2/18) Oct 07 2010 Some traitors left the development team. 50% bullshit FUD claims about t...
• dsimcha (10/11) Oct 07 2010 I'm sorry, but this is what I **like** about Phobos. I really hate nomi...
• Andrei Alexandrescu (10/21) Oct 07 2010 One other thing is that it's very easy to build traditional designs on
• Daniel Gibson (2/4) Oct 07 2010 ?
• dolive (2/7) Oct 07 2010 He write is Chinese about. :-)

dolive <dolive89 sina.com> writes:

1, Little practical content
2, templat + range subversion use habit,  Lost the popularization base

sorry!

"Yao G." <yao.gomez spam.gmail.com> writes:

On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:11:18 -0500, dolive <dolive89 sina.com> wrote:

 2, templat + range subversion use habit,  Lost the popularization base

 sorry!

I don't understand this last point.

sorry!

-- 
Yao G.

dolive <dolive89 sina.com> writes:

Yao G. дµ½:

 On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:11:18 -0500, dolive <dolive89 sina.com> wrote:
 
 2, templat + range subversion use habit,  Lost the popularization base

 sorry!

 
 I don't understand this last point.
 
 sorry!
 
 -- 
 Yao G.

Don't read understand for templat + range  for most people (Including me), Lost
the popular base .

Jimmy Cao <jcao219 gmail.com> writes:

Are you using a translator to translate from Chinese to English?
"Read-understand=E2=80=9C doesn't mean "understand" in English, only in Chi=
nese :).

Phobos2 is being worked on right now.  I think it's getting better.


On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:11 AM, dolive <dolive89 sina.com> wrote:

 Yao G. =E5=86=99=E5=88=B0:

 On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:11:18 -0500, dolive <dolive89 sina.com> wrote:

 2, templat + range subversion use habit,  Lost the popularization bas=



e
 sorry!

 I don't understand this last point.

 sorry!

 --
 Yao G.

 Don't read understand for templat + range  for most people (Including me)=

,
 Lost the popular base .

dolive <dolive89 sina.com> writes:

Yao G. дµ½:

 On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:11:18 -0500, dolive <dolive89 sina.com> wrote:
 
 2, templat + range subversion use habit,  Lost the popularization base

 sorry!

 
 I don't understand this last point.
 
 sorry!
 
 -- 
 Yao G.

Don't read understand for templat + range  for most people (Including me), Lost
the popular base .

Darth Tango <darth death-to-phobos.org> writes:

On 5/10/2010 8:11 PM, dolive wrote:
 1, Little practical content
 2, templat + range subversion use habit,  Lost the popularization base

 sorry!

Exackaly.  Tango rulez.

May the meta-force be beside you.

:-) Darth

Juanjo Alvarez <fake fakeemail.com> writes:

On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:59:20 +1100, Darth Tango 
<darth death-to-phobos.org> wrote:
 Exackaly.  Tango rulez.




 May the meta-force be beside you.




 :-) Darth

My Lord, how is the migration of Tango to D2 going? The last commit I 
saw on the experimental branch was pretty old.

"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:

On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:10:33 -0400, Juanjo Alvarez <fake fakeemail.com>  
wrote:

 On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:59:20 +1100, Darth Tango  
 <darth death-to-phobos.org> wrote:
 Exackaly.  Tango rulez.




 May the meta-force be beside you.




 :-) Darth

 My Lord, how is the migration of Tango to D2 going? The last commit I  
 saw on the experimental branch was pretty old.

Look at who did it :)  I think it's safe to say D2 for tango isn't going  
to happen any time soon, if at all.

-Steve

Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:

On 2010-10-05 21:41, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:10:33 -0400, Juanjo Alvarez <fake fakeemail.com>
 wrote:

 On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:59:20 +1100, Darth Tango
 <darth death-to-phobos.org> wrote:
 Exackaly. Tango rulez.




 May the meta-force be beside you.




 :-) Darth

 My Lord, how is the migration of Tango to D2 going? The last commit I
 saw on the experimental branch was pretty old.

 Look at who did it :) I think it's safe to say D2 for tango isn't going
 to happen any time soon, if at all.

 -Steve

I think someone else has started to work on this in a different 
repository, I don't recall who it was though.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:

On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 03:31:19 -0400, Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> wrote:

 On 2010-10-05 21:41, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:10:33 -0400, Juanjo Alvarez <fake fakeemail.com>
 wrote:

 On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:59:20 +1100, Darth Tango
 <darth death-to-phobos.org> wrote:
 Exackaly. Tango rulez.




 May the meta-force be beside you.




 :-) Darth

 My Lord, how is the migration of Tango to D2 going? The last commit I
 saw on the experimental branch was pretty old.

 Look at who did it :) I think it's safe to say D2 for tango isn't going
 to happen any time soon, if at all.

 -Steve

 I think someone else has started to work on this in a different  
 repository, I don't recall who it was though.

Hm... there's nothing newer than a year in the branch directory of Tango,  
and googling for D2 and Tango just comes up with newsgroup posts.

I have reason to believe anyways that despite any effort, Tango won't ever  
be D2 compatible.  This comes from experience of trying to port it.

-Steve

"Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:

"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:op.vj5htul8eav7ka localhost.localdomain...
 On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 03:31:19 -0400, Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> wrote:

 On 2010-10-05 21:41, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:10:33 -0400, Juanjo Alvarez <fake fakeemail.com>
 wrote:
 My Lord, how is the migration of Tango to D2 going? The last commit I
 saw on the experimental branch was pretty old.

 Look at who did it :) I think it's safe to say D2 for tango isn't going
 to happen any time soon, if at all.

 -Steve

 I think someone else has started to work on this in a different 
 repository, I don't recall who it was though.

 Hm... there's nothing newer than a year in the branch directory of Tango, 
 and googling for D2 and Tango just comes up with newsgroup posts.

 I have reason to believe anyways that despite any effort, Tango won't ever 
 be D2 compatible.  This comes from experience of trying to port it.

IMHO, the primary reason for Tango has been eroding (at least for D2). As I 
always saw it, the whole point of Tango was that Phobos was basically 
early-alpha-level with practically no features, and no one actively working 
on it (just a little bit of occasional attention from Walter). In those 
days, Tango mage *perfect* sense. But Phobos2 has come such a long way, and 
has the added bonus of not leaving you lost in epic package/class 
hierarchies. I don't mean to bash Tango, I used it and loved it for a long 
time. I'm just not sure it's really needed on D2.

What I *do* think could be useful is a "Phobango" of sorts to help in 
porting D1/Tango to D2/Phobos. Thinks like mapping locate/locatePrior's 
interface to Phobos2, or Stdout.formatln("{}") to writefln("%s"), etc.

"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:

On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:51:33 -0400, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:
 IMHO, the primary reason for Tango has been eroding (at least for D2).  
 As I
 always saw it, the whole point of Tango was that Phobos was basically
 early-alpha-level with practically no features, and no one actively  
 working
 on it (just a little bit of occasional attention from Walter). In those
 days, Tango mage *perfect* sense. But Phobos2 has come such a long way,  
 and
 has the added bonus of not leaving you lost in epic package/class
 hierarchies. I don't mean to bash Tango, I used it and loved it for a  
 long
 time. I'm just not sure it's really needed on D2.

As a library, I loved and used Tango for quite a while.  It's still a very  
good library.  I don't think the reasons it won't be ported are technical.

-Steve

crap <tastic yesit.is> writes:

Steven Schveighoffer Wrote:

 On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:51:33 -0400, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:
 IMHO, the primary reason for Tango has been eroding (at least for D2).  
 As I
 always saw it, the whole point of Tango was that Phobos was basically
 early-alpha-level with practically no features, and no one actively  
 working
 on it (just a little bit of occasional attention from Walter). In those
 days, Tango mage *perfect* sense. But Phobos2 has come such a long way,  
 and
 has the added bonus of not leaving you lost in epic package/class
 hierarchies. I don't mean to bash Tango, I used it and loved it for a  
 long
 time. I'm just not sure it's really needed on D2.

 
 As a library, I loved and used Tango for quite a while.  It's still a very  
 good library.  I don't think the reasons it won't be ported are technical.

Some traitors left the development team. 50% bullshit FUD claims about the
attribution clause and other shit talk wrt the complexity of package
hierarchies were necessary to Boost (pun intended) the adoption of the horrible
template abusing bloat library (see the big executable OMG! threads). A Phobos
oriented book (again with no attribution to Tango development in D's history)
was written to bash Tango. Now we are wondering how this all happened. Exciting
times!

dsimcha <dsimcha yahoo.com> writes:

== Quote from crap (tastic yesit.is)'s article
 the horrible template abusing bloat library

I'm sorry, but this is what I **like** about Phobos.  I really hate nominative
typing and traditional Java/C++-style OO for most things.  It's verbose,
requires
too much design to be set in stone upfront, and is not all that flexible.  In my
own programs I tend to only use it when I really need flexibility at runtime,
not
just at design/development or compile time, which is a minority of cases.
Furthermore, for most things a few megabytes of executable size bloat is **not a
practical issue**.  For the types of programs I tend to write at least, the disk
and memory space the code takes up (100s of KB to a few MB) is negligible
compared
to the size of the data the at the code operates on (100s of MB).

Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:

On 10/7/10 9:37 CDT, dsimcha wrote:
 == Quote from crap (tastic yesit.is)'s article
 the horrible template abusing bloat library

 I'm sorry, but this is what I **like** about Phobos.  I really hate nominative
 typing and traditional Java/C++-style OO for most things.  It's verbose,
requires
 too much design to be set in stone upfront, and is not all that flexible.  In
my
 own programs I tend to only use it when I really need flexibility at runtime,
not
 just at design/development or compile time, which is a minority of cases.
 Furthermore, for most things a few megabytes of executable size bloat is **not
a
 practical issue**.  For the types of programs I tend to write at least, the
disk
 and memory space the code takes up (100s of KB to a few MB) is negligible
compared
 to the size of the data the at the code operates on (100s of MB).

One other thing is that it's very easy to build traditional designs on 
top of highly configurable ones (like Phobos tries to offer), whereas 
the reverse is not possible (or at least not efficiently).

I noticed that some tend to think that if they see Phobos going the 
extra length to define a really general, flexible, and adaptive 
algorithm or structure, they're forced to write application code all the 
same. If we align our ducks right, Phobos should be a compelling 
offering to a large range of designs.


Andrei

Daniel Gibson <metalcaedes gmail.com> writes:

crap schrieb:
 
 A Phobos oriented book (...) was written to bash Tango. 

?

dolive <dolive89 sina.com> writes:

Daniel Gibson дµ½:

 crap schrieb:
 
 A Phobos oriented book (...) was written to bash Tango. 

 
 ?

He write is Chinese about. :-)