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reply Tim Keating <holyspamster gmail.com> writes:
This may seem like a dumb question but . . . a source file that is 
imported solely for a template that gets used as a mixin will not be 
compiled into an obj file, correct? The more I think about this, the 
more it seems like the logical behavior, but MAN did it freak me out 
when I noticed its absence from my build directory. ("How in the hell 
did I link that code in there?!?")

TK
Jan 10 2007
parent reply Daniel Keep <daniel.keep+lists gmail.com> writes:
Tim Keating wrote:

 This may seem like a dumb question but . . . a source file that is 
 imported solely for a template that gets used as a mixin will not be 
 compiled into an obj file, correct? The more I think about this, the 
 more it seems like the logical behavior, but MAN did it freak me out 
 when I noticed its absence from my build directory. ("How in the hell 
 did I link that code in there?!?")
 
 TK


Actually, some people have used this very behaviour to do some very cool 
(and kinda scary) shell scripting with D.

The idea is that you write your scripting libraries as template mixins, 
then use "dmd -run" to run your .d file as a script.  If you're on a 
*NIX, you can even then use a hashbang.  D's also fast enough that 
compiling the script every time isn't a big deal.

You certainly wouldn't want to try it with C :3

	-- Daniel
Jan 12 2007
parent reply kenny <funisher gmail.com> writes:
Are there any examples of this anywhere? This sounds very very 
interesting to me. Actually so interesting that, you may have just 
changed the way I was going to implement something ;)

Does that mean that I can essentially use D as a scripting language?

*Can't contain excitement!*

Daniel Keep wrote:

 Tim Keating wrote:

 This may seem like a dumb question but . . . a source file that is 
 imported solely for a template that gets used as a mixin will not be 
 compiled into an obj file, correct? The more I think about this, the 
 more it seems like the logical behavior, but MAN did it freak me out 
 when I noticed its absence from my build directory. ("How in the hell 
 did I link that code in there?!?")

 TK


 
 Actually, some people have used this very behaviour to do some very cool 
 (and kinda scary) shell scripting with D.
 
 The idea is that you write your scripting libraries as template mixins, 
 then use "dmd -run" to run your .d file as a script.  If you're on a 
 *NIX, you can even then use a hashbang.  D's also fast enough that 
 compiling the script every time isn't a big deal.
 
 You certainly wouldn't want to try it with C :3
 
     -- Daniel
Jan 12 2007
parent reply Daniel Keep <daniel.keep+lists gmail.com> writes:
kenny wrote:

 Are there any examples of this anywhere? This sounds very very 
 interesting to me. Actually so interesting that, you may have just 
 changed the way I was going to implement something ;)
 
 Does that mean that I can essentially use D as a scripting language?
 
 *Can't contain excitement!*


I haven't looked at it in a while, but I think Mango does this for its' 
build scripts (or they might have removed that).

Also, I did something similar with the build scripts for my cairo 
bindings (they're up at dsource.org/projects/bindings/ somewhere, I 
believe).

So yes, you *can* use D as a kinda scripting language.  Just keep in 
mind that if you write a scripting library, instead of:


 module my_lib;
 void some_func();
 class Foo { }


You need to do this:


 module my_lib;
 template my_lib {
     void some_func();
     class Foo { }
 }


And then do this in your script:


 mixin my_lib.my_lib;


	-- Daniel
Jan 13 2007
parent reply kenny <funisher gmail.com> writes:
darn, it's not everything I hoped for, but that is still REALLY COOL. 
Thanks!

A game could create bindings to the core, and then use DMD to compile 
all of the files before the game starts. A whole AI could be written 
using d's "scripting" ability :)

That's really really awesome. Why doesn't someone do that?

For my purposes (web development), it doesn't satisfy everything that I 
want. I still need another layer of abstraction, but that does give the 
ability for the content server to have extensions compiled on the fly 
(without reloading the servers -- just the d files) AWESOME!!!

Thanks again :)

Kenny


Daniel Keep wrote:

 kenny wrote:

 Are there any examples of this anywhere? This sounds very very 
 interesting to me. Actually so interesting that, you may have just 
 changed the way I was going to implement something ;)

 Does that mean that I can essentially use D as a scripting language?

 *Can't contain excitement!*


 
 I haven't looked at it in a while, but I think Mango does this for its' 
 build scripts (or they might have removed that).
 
 Also, I did something similar with the build scripts for my cairo 
 bindings (they're up at dsource.org/projects/bindings/ somewhere, I 
 believe).
 
 So yes, you *can* use D as a kinda scripting language.  Just keep in 
 mind that if you write a scripting library, instead of:
 
  > module my_lib;
  > void some_func();
  > class Foo { }
 
 You need to do this:
 
  > module my_lib;
  > template my_lib {
  >     void some_func();
  >     class Foo { }
  > }
 
 And then do this in your script:
 
  > mixin my_lib.my_lib;
 
     -- Daniel
Jan 13 2007
parent Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
kenny wrote:

 darn, it's not everything I hoped for, but that is still REALLY COOL. 
 Thanks!
 
 A game could create bindings to the core, and then use DMD to compile 
 all of the files before the game starts. A whole AI could be written 
 using d's "scripting" ability :)
 
 That's really really awesome. Why doesn't someone do that?
 
 For my purposes (web development), it doesn't satisfy everything that I 
 want. I still need another layer of abstraction, but that does give the 
 ability for the content server to have extensions compiled on the fly 
 (without reloading the servers -- just the d files) AWESOME!!!
 
 Thanks again :)
 
 Kenny
 
 
 Daniel Keep wrote:

 kenny wrote:

 Are there any examples of this anywhere? This sounds very very 
 interesting to me. Actually so interesting that, you may have just 
 changed the way I was going to implement something ;)

 Does that mean that I can essentially use D as a scripting language?

 *Can't contain excitement!*


 I haven't looked at it in a while, but I think Mango does this for 
 its' build scripts (or they might have removed that).

 Also, I did something similar with the build scripts for my cairo 
 bindings (they're up at dsource.org/projects/bindings/ somewhere, I 
 believe).

 So yes, you *can* use D as a kinda scripting language.  Just keep in 
 mind that if you write a scripting library, instead of:

  > module my_lib;
  > void some_func();
  > class Foo { }

 You need to do this:

  > module my_lib;
  > template my_lib {
  >     void some_func();
  >     class Foo { }
  > }

 And then do this in your script:

  > mixin my_lib.my_lib;

     -- Daniel




I'm sure there's a simpler way to achieve that. Perhaps can use build in 
some sort of way? Or one can create a shell script that wraps calls to 
rdmd and passes the lib's precompiled .objs as parameters (that's what I 
have been doing so far). It works fairly ok except from some Cygwin quirks.


-- 
Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D
Jan 18 2007