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digitalmars.D - link.exe is not here

reply Rayne <DiscipleRayne gmail.com> writes:
I downloaded the compiller and linker and utilitys and link.exe is not there
trust me I've searched and searched, I'm extreamly confused...
Sep 09 2008
parent reply "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:40:10 +0400, Rayne <DiscipleRayne gmail.com> wrote:


 I downloaded the compiller and linker and utilitys and link.exe is not  
 there trust me I've searched and searched, I'm extreamly confused...


It comes with DMC (DigitalMars C/C++ compiler).

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/download.html
http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmc.zip
Sep 09 2008
parent reply Rayne <DiscipleRayne gmail.com> writes:
Denis Koroskin Wrote:


 On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:40:10 +0400, Rayne <DiscipleRayne gmail.com> wrote:
 

 I downloaded the compiller and linker and utilitys and link.exe is not  
 there trust me I've searched and searched, I'm extreamly confused...


 
 It comes with DMC (DigitalMars C/C++ compiler).
 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/download.html
 http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmc.zip


Oh.. Thanks man, I feel like a fool O__O
Sep 09 2008
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Rayne wrote:

 I feel like a fool O__O


No worries, we've all been there!
Sep 09 2008
parent reply Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:

 Rayne wrote:

 I feel like a fool O__O


 
 No worries, we've all been there!


It's probably past time to consider the packaging of those tools within
dmd.zip rather than requiring a separate download.  I'd be happy enough
with requiring DMC to re-build phobos on windows (though even that is
dubious as msvc should be a valid choice), but it shouldn't be required
to build pure D apps.

Thoughts?

Later,
Brad
Sep 09 2008
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Brad Roberts wrote:

 It's probably past time to consider the packaging of those tools within
 dmd.zip rather than requiring a separate download.  I'd be happy enough
 with requiring DMC to re-build phobos on windows (though even that is
 dubious as msvc should be a valid choice), but it shouldn't be required
 to build pure D apps.
 
 Thoughts?


I figured it cut down on the download size.
Sep 09 2008
parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <jarrett.billingsley gmail.com> writes:
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Walter Bright
<newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote:

 Brad Roberts wrote:

 It's probably past time to consider the packaging of those tools within
 dmd.zip rather than requiring a separate download.  I'd be happy enough
 with requiring DMC to re-build phobos on windows (though even that is
 dubious as msvc should be a valid choice), but it shouldn't be required
 to build pure D apps.

 Thoughts?


 I figured it cut down on the download size.


It's 4MB.  It's not exactly massive.
Sep 09 2008
parent reply Benji Smith <dlanguage benjismith.net> writes:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Walter Bright
 <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote:

 Brad Roberts wrote:

 It's probably past time to consider the packaging of those tools within
 dmd.zip rather than requiring a separate download.  I'd be happy enough
 with requiring DMC to re-build phobos on windows (though even that is
 dubious as msvc should be a valid choice), but it shouldn't be required
 to build pure D apps.

 Thoughts?


 I figured it cut down on the download size.


 
 It's 4MB.  It's not exactly massive.


Have you ever considered using BitTorrent as an alternate distribution 
method? Then you'd offload some of the bandwidth expense to the members 
of the community rather than absorbing it all yourself.

I certainly wouldn't recommend getting rid of the direct-download 
entirely, but if the file were available as a torrent, I for one would 
certainly use it instead of the direct download.

--benji
Sep 09 2008
next sibling parent reply "Chris R. Miller" <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Benji Smith wrote:

 Jarrett Billingsley wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Walter Bright
 <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote:

 Brad Roberts wrote:

 It's probably past time to consider the packaging of those tools wit=








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 dmd.zip rather than requiring a separate download.  I'd be happy eno=








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 with requiring DMC to re-build phobos on windows (though even that i=








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 dubious as msvc should be a valid choice), but it shouldn't be requi=








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 to build pure D apps.

 Thoughts?


 I figured it cut down on the download size.


 It's 4MB.  It's not exactly massive.


=20
 Have you ever considered using BitTorrent as an alternate distribution
 method? Then you'd offload some of the bandwidth expense to the members=



 of the community rather than absorbing it all yourself.
=20
 I certainly wouldn't recommend getting rid of the direct-download
 entirely, but if the file were available as a torrent, I for one would
 certainly use it instead of the direct download.


I'd probably go nuts and start setting up an old unused machine to seed
the torrents 24/7.  Until my dad finds out ("Why are you wasting all
this power?!!") and then I'd have to just be content with my workstation
seeding when it's on (when I'm awake, basically).

That's a great idea, yes, but you'll be hard-pressed to find a
datacenter that allows BT.  None of the hosting providers I've seen
allow it.
Sep 09 2008
parent Benji Smith <dlanguage benjismith.net> writes:
Chris R. Miller wrote:

 Benji Smith wrote:

 Jarrett Billingsley wrote:


 
 That's a great idea, yes, but you'll be hard-pressed to find a
 datacenter that allows BT.  None of the hosting providers I've seen
 allow it.


I don't think Walter has any need to set up a BT tracker on his own server.

And in fact, the instructions I posted yesterday are actually 
unnecessarily complex.

Turns out, Mininova now lets you simply upload a file to their server, 
and they take care of everything else: creating the "torrent" file, 
seeding it, tracking it, everything.

Check it out here:

http://www.mininova.org/apply

--benji
Sep 10 2008
prev sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Benji Smith wrote:

 Have you ever considered using BitTorrent as an alternate distribution 
 method? Then you'd offload some of the bandwidth expense to the members 
 of the community rather than absorbing it all yourself.


I have no idea how to do that.
Sep 09 2008
next sibling parent Benji Smith <dlanguage benjismith.net> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:

 Benji Smith wrote:

 Have you ever considered using BitTorrent as an alternate distribution 
 method? Then you'd offload some of the bandwidth expense to the 
 members of the community rather than absorbing it all yourself.


 
 I have no idea how to do that.


It's actually pretty simple.

You don't need to run your own tracker (the server that coordinates the 
p2p protocol between BitTorrent peers).

You just need to create a "torrent" file (which is a textual descriptor 
of the file(s) you want to make available as well as information about 
the tracker that will manage the torrent).

Then you post that torrent file to a public tracker, and you provide 
your users with a link to the torrent file.

Conceptually, it'd look like this:

    ftp.digitalmars.com
       /dmd.2.014.zip
       /dmd.2.014.zip.torrent
           -- size: 1234567 bytes
           -- location: http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.2.014.zip
           -- managed by: http://some-third-party-tracker.com
           -- blah blah blah... more technical details

    some-third-party-tracker.com
       /dmd.2.014.zip.torrent
           -- this is the same file you're hosting on your website

I know nothing about the actual syntax of those torrent files. You don't 
author them yourself. There are tools to do it for you.

Anyhoo, if you're interested, here's a link with more detailed info:

http://dessent.net/btfaq/#maketorrent

--benji
Sep 09 2008
prev sibling parent reply Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:

 Benji Smith wrote:

 Have you ever considered using BitTorrent as an alternate distribution
 method? Then you'd offload some of the bandwidth expense to the
 members of the community rather than absorbing it all yourself.


 
 I have no idea how to do that.


My personal favorite.. use amazon's s3 for hosting the files.  Costs a
little, but you get effectively unlimited bandwidth and torrent is just
an added bonus that comes along for free.  It was how I mirrored the 1.0
release ages ago.  I think it cost me a whole $2.50 for several thousand
downloads.

Later,
Brad

Disclaimers: Yes, I work for Amazon.  No, I don't work on S3.  Yes, I
use S3 for my own personal hosting of some big-ish files (including all
of the d conference 2007 presentations).
Sep 09 2008
next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Brad Roberts wrote:

 My personal favorite.. use amazon's s3 for hosting the files.  Costs a
 little, but you get effectively unlimited bandwidth and torrent is just
 an added bonus that comes along for free.  It was how I mirrored the 1.0
 release ages ago.  I think it cost me a whole $2.50 for several thousand
 downloads.


S3 does sound like a pretty cool system. I've also been thinking of 
using it for automated backups.
Sep 10 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Chris R. Miller" <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Brad Roberts wrote:

 Walter Bright wrote:

 Benji Smith wrote:

 Have you ever considered using BitTorrent as an alternate distributio=






n

 method? Then you'd offload some of the bandwidth expense to the
 members of the community rather than absorbing it all yourself.


 I have no idea how to do that.


=20
 My personal favorite.. use amazon's s3 for hosting the files.  Costs a
 little, but you get effectively unlimited bandwidth and torrent is just=



 an added bonus that comes along for free.  It was how I mirrored the 1.=


0

 release ages ago.  I think it cost me a whole $2.50 for several thousan=


d

 downloads.
=20
 Later,
 Brad
=20
 Disclaimers: Yes, I work for Amazon.  No, I don't work on S3.  Yes, I
 use S3 for my own personal hosting of some big-ish files (including all=



 of the d conference 2007 presentations).


Amazon is shutting down S3 though.  The announcement was about two
months ago IIRC.
Sep 10 2008
parent reply Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Chris R. Miller wrote:


 Brad Roberts wrote:

 Walter Bright wrote:

 Benji Smith wrote:

 Have you ever considered using BitTorrent as an alternate distribution
 method? Then you'd offload some of the bandwidth expense to the
 members of the community rather than absorbing it all yourself.


 I have no idea how to do that.


 
 My personal favorite.. use amazon's s3 for hosting the files.  Costs a
 little, but you get effectively unlimited bandwidth and torrent is just
 an added bonus that comes along for free.  It was how I mirrored the 1.0
 release ages ago.  I think it cost me a whole $2.50 for several thousand
 downloads.
 
 Later,
 Brad
 
 Disclaimers: Yes, I work for Amazon.  No, I don't work on S3.  Yes, I
 use S3 for my own personal hosting of some big-ish files (including all
 of the d conference 2007 presentations).


 
 Amazon is shutting down S3 though.  The announcement was about two
 months ago IIRC.


Um, I don't know where you got that from, but it's entirely false.

Later,
Brad
Sep 10 2008
parent "Chris R. Miller" <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Brad Roberts wrote:

 On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Chris R. Miller wrote:
=20

 Brad Roberts wrote:

 Walter Bright wrote:

 Benji Smith wrote:

 Have you ever considered using BitTorrent as an alternate distribut=










ion

 method? Then you'd offload some of the bandwidth expense to the
 members of the community rather than absorbing it all yourself.


 I have no idea how to do that.


 My personal favorite.. use amazon's s3 for hosting the files.  Costs =






a

 little, but you get effectively unlimited bandwidth and torrent is ju=






st

 an added bonus that comes along for free.  It was how I mirrored the =






1.0

 release ages ago.  I think it cost me a whole $2.50 for several thous=






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 downloads.

 Later,
 Brad

 Disclaimers: Yes, I work for Amazon.  No, I don't work on S3.  Yes, I=







 use S3 for my own personal hosting of some big-ish files (including a=






ll

 of the d conference 2007 presentations).


 Amazon is shutting down S3 though.  The announcement was about two
 months ago IIRC.


=20
 Um, I don't know where you got that from, but it's entirely false.


Hmm, it was in my Good Morning Silicon Valley newsletter IIRC.  They
also announced that Steve Jobs died though, so it could have been a mista=
ke.
Sep 10 2008
prev sibling parent Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> writes:
Brad Roberts a écrit :

 Disclaimers: Yes, I work for Amazon.  No, I don't work on S3.  Yes, I
 use S3 for my own personal hosting of some big-ish files (including all
 of the d conference 2007 presentations).


Can you tell them to implement count on SimpleDB? Please? :-P
Sep 10 2008