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reply "Taylor Hillegeist" <taylorh140 gmail.com> writes:
So I found http://ec-lang.org/ it seems alot like D, But it has a 
company backing it. It just seems interesting.
Mar 10 2015
next sibling parent reply Rikki Cattermole <alphaglosined gmail.com> writes:
On 11/03/2015 4:16 p.m., Taylor Hillegeist wrote:

 So I found http://ec-lang.org/ it seems alot like D, But it has a
 company backing it. It just seems interesting.


There is almost no meta programming support. Let alone CTFE.
And no generics in the form of e.g. Java's is not the same as D's 
meta-programming support.
Mar 10 2015
parent reply "Taylor Hillegeist" <taylorh140 gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 11 March 2015 at 03:55:21 UTC, Rikki Cattermole 
wrote:

 On 11/03/2015 4:16 p.m., Taylor Hillegeist wrote:

 So I found http://ec-lang.org/ it seems alot like D, But it 
 has a
 company backing it. It just seems interesting.


 There is almost no meta programming support. Let alone CTFE.
 And no generics in the form of e.g. Java's is not the same as 
 D's meta-programming support.


Yes, D is a very powerful language with a boatload of features. 
eC almost seems like a subset. but what I find fascinating is the 
infrastructure built around it. Of course when someone's full 
time job is to build infrastructure, I tends to happen more 
predictably. But like all things in life you have to take the 
good, and carry it with you into the future. I bet there is alot 
we can learn from eC. I wonder how compatible the two languages 
are, I have been experimenting with language to language porting 
techniques, every language is in similar in some way to another, 
but to varying degrees.
Mar 10 2015
parent reply "sclytrack" <sclytrack fakeme.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 11 March 2015 at 04:10:51 UTC, Taylor Hillegeist 
wrote:

 On Wednesday, 11 March 2015 at 03:55:21 UTC, Rikki Cattermole 
 wrote:

 On 11/03/2015 4:16 p.m., Taylor Hillegeist wrote:

 So I found http://ec-lang.org/ it seems alot like D, But it 
 has a
 company backing it. It just seems interesting.


 There is almost no meta programming support. Let alone CTFE.
 And no generics in the form of e.g. Java's is not the same as 
 D's meta-programming support.


 Yes, D is a very powerful language with a boatload of features. 
 eC almost seems like a subset. but what I find fascinating is 
 the infrastructure built around it. Of course when someone's 
 full time job is to build infrastructure, I tends to happen 
 more predictably. But like all things in life you have to take 
 the good, and carry it with you into the future. I bet there is 
 alot we can learn from eC. I wonder how compatible the two 
 languages are, I have been experimenting with language to 
 language porting techniques, every language is in similar in 
 some way to another, but to varying degrees.


A quote from Jerome on the eC forum.


"eC is yet another multiparadigm procedural/object-oriented 
language which has C for its foundation.

countless others less famous programming languages."


"What this means:

- You can include C library headers directly in your .ec code, 
without any special keyword (like extern "C" in C++)
- There is no special mangling going on for normal functions (C 
binary compatibility), which means you can interface in both 
directions with any language supporting C bindings.
- Simply put, eC does not take anything away from C, it only adds 
useful features to it"
Mar 10 2015
parent reply ketmar <ketmar ketmar.no-ip.org> writes:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 06:22:32 +0000, sclytrack wrote:


 - You can include C library headers directly in your .ec code, without
 any special keyword (like extern "C" in C++)


either i missed something, misunderstood what he means or he is simply=20
wrong. i remember that there is no CPP macro processor in eC, so... oops.=20
why my C header is not working?!=
Mar 11 2015
parent reply Parke via Digitalmars-d-learn <digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com> writes:
 On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 06:22:32 +0000, sclytrack wrote:

 - You can include C library headers directly in your .ec code, without
 any special keyword (like extern "C" in C++)




On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:59 AM, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
<digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com> wrote:

 either i missed something, misunderstood what he means or he is simply
 wrong. i remember that there is no CPP macro processor in eC, so... oops.
 why my C header is not working?!


Maybe the eC compiler invokes a C compiler to do the preprocessing.
Mar 11 2015
parent reply ketmar <ketmar ketmar.no-ip.org> writes:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 19:26:13 -0700, Parke via Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:


 On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 06:22:32 +0000, sclytrack wrote:

 - You can include C library headers directly in your .ec code, without
 any special keyword (like extern "C" in C++)




=20
 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:59 AM, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
 <digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com> wrote:

 either i missed something, misunderstood what he means or he is simply
 wrong. i remember that there is no CPP macro processor in eC, so...
 oops.
 why my C header is not working?!


=20
 Maybe the eC compiler invokes a C compiler to do the preprocessing.


and then we have things like `static inline` functions and many other=20
quirks. ah, and alot of standard C headers included, which are platform-
dependent, by the way. so the only way to make this work is to have full-
featured native C compiler inside.=
Mar 12 2015
parent reply "Jerome St-Louis" <jerome ecere.com> writes:
To confirm guys eC does support C preprocessing.
The C preprocessor is invoked before the eC compiler does its 
parsing.

And all native C headers should work fine as well, although there 
might be some portability issues on more obscure platforms which 
have not yet been tested which would require attention, but as 
you can see at https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libecerecom0 it 
works fine on most popular platforms.

eC tries to be a superset of C as much possible, with only a few 
keyword clashes like 'class' as an exception.

Best regards,

-Jerome

On Thursday, 12 March 2015 at 11:02:11 UTC, ketmar wrote:

 On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 19:26:13 -0700, Parke via 
 Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:


 On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 06:22:32 +0000, sclytrack wrote:

 - You can include C library headers directly in your .ec 
 code, without
 any special keyword (like extern "C" in C++)




 
 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:59 AM, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
 <digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com> wrote:

 either i missed something, misunderstood what he means or he 
 is simply
 wrong. i remember that there is no CPP macro processor in eC, 
 so...
 oops.
 why my C header is not working?!


 
 Maybe the eC compiler invokes a C compiler to do the 
 preprocessing.


 and then we have things like `static inline` functions and many 
 other
 quirks. ah, and alot of standard C headers included, which are 
 platform-
 dependent, by the way. so the only way to make this work is to 
 have full-
 featured native C compiler inside.
Mar 12 2015
parent ketmar <ketmar ketmar.no-ip.org> writes:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 04:02:07 +0000, Jerome St-Louis wrote:


 To confirm guys eC does support C preprocessing.
 The C preprocessor is invoked before the eC compiler does its parsing.


ah, i see.


 eC tries to be a superset of C as much possible, with only a few keyword
 clashes like 'class' as an exception.


so they choose to throw away a possibility to include good type system=20
into the language... ahem... looks bad for me. nice try, nevertheless.=
Mar 13 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "Chris" <wendlec tcd.ie> writes:
On Wednesday, 11 March 2015 at 03:16:50 UTC, Taylor Hillegeist 
wrote:

 So I found http://ec-lang.org/ it seems alot like D, But it has 
 a company backing it. It just seems interesting.


Seems to me that structs are not the same as in D, and structs in 
D are very powerful. I don't like the fact that they mention 
object orientation right from the start, as if it was the be all 
end all of programming - which it isn't.

Hm. I have to admit that I'm biased towards D, but D has come a 
long way and is the result of serious input from loads of users 
and experts. Any new language has a lot of catching up to do. In 
a way it's funny that every new language builds up an 
infrastructure first, toolchains etc. Like someone who's trying 
to learn how to play guitar buys expensive amps and flashy effect 
devices before s/he can even play a single chord.

However, language features aside, how is D doing in the mobile 
sector? Most new languages boast Android/iOS support. Even if the 
language is inferior to D, people will opt for any language that 
can be ported to mobile platforms, regardless of its features.
Mar 13 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Dude" <dude onwheet.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 11 March 2015 at 03:16:50 UTC, Taylor Hillegeist
wrote:

 So I found http://ec-lang.org/ it seems alot like D, But it has 
 a company backing it. It just seems interesting.


heh they choose a lot worse name for a language than D :D.
https://eclang.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Intro%20to%20Ec
Mar 13 2015
parent =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 03/13/2015 10:18 AM, Dude wrote:

 On Wednesday, 11 March 2015 at 03:16:50 UTC, Taylor Hillegeist
 wrote:

 So I found http://ec-lang.org/ it seems alot like D, But it has a
 company backing it. It just seems interesting.


 heh they choose a lot worse name for a language than D :D.
 https://eclang.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Intro%20to%20Ec


Following Go's lead: :D

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go!_%28programming_language%29

Ali
Mar 13 2015