digitalmars.D.learn - WinRT
- RenatoL (4/4) Sep 29 2011 Hi all. What do you about WinRT? I think this new APIs could be a
- Nick Sabalausky (13/17) Sep 29 2011 Hmm, this is the first I've heard of it. Looking at the wikipedia page a...
- RenatoL (4/4) Sep 29 2011 Eh eh, it may be strange something good come out from MS... but i
- Nick Sabalausky (10/14) Sep 29 2011 I'm not sure it's so good for D. Some of the comments here...
- Jacob Carlborg (10/24) Sep 29 2011 I've watched two video clips from the Build conference about C++, one
- news.digitalmars.com (8/13) Sep 29 2011 It looks - Intel parallelized JS by OpenCL
- Michel Fortin (13/17) Sep 30 2011 From what I understand, WinRT is based on COM. D already supports COM,
- Jacob Carlborg (5/18) Sep 30 2011 Doesn't the garbage collector implement reference counting or similar
- Michel Fortin (8/29) Oct 01 2011 Would be great, but it's not mentioned in the language spec so I
- Jacob Carlborg (7/32) Oct 02 2011 Perhpas I was thinking about this:
Hi all. What do you about WinRT? I think this new APIs could be a very interesting point for D... they are open to any language and i think that D is perfect to work with them. What's your opinion? Best regards
Sep 29 2011
"RenatoL" <renato relhost.net> wrote in message news:j62nl3$21g5$1 digitalmars.com...Hi all. What do you about WinRT? I think this new APIs could be a very interesting point for D... they are open to any language and i think that D is perfect to work with them. What's your opinion? Best regardsHmm, this is the first I've heard of it. Looking at the wikipedia page and winsupersite article, I can imagine it being either very good or irritating and patronizing. Hard to say. But after seeing the Win8 UI videos (and after using both Vista and Win7) I find it very difficult to get excited about anything in Win8. Ouch, I just saw this bit at the end of Paul Thurrott's winsupersite article: "Virtually all of the Microsoft WinRT apps--Mail, Calendar, People, Chat, and so on--are all written in HTML and JavaScript" Apparently all the grown-ups have left Microsoft. Fuck that shit. I'm not touching Win8 with the proverbial ten foot poll.
Sep 29 2011
Eh eh, it may be strange something good come out from MS... but i think this time we could look at this with interest.... this an object replacement for win32 and the OS exposes it in an "open" way... i believe this is good for D (and Delphi, Scala....)
Sep 29 2011
"RenatoL" <renato relhost.net> wrote in message news:j62q4v$25tn$1 digitalmars.com...Eh eh, it may be strange something good come out from MS... but i think this time we could look at this with interest.... this an object replacement for win32 and the OS exposes it in an "open" way... i believe this is good for D (and Delphi, Scala....)I'm not sure it's so good for D. Some of the comments here... http://www.winsupersite.com/blog/supersite-blog-39/windows8/winrt-replacing-win32-140605 ...seem to suggest that HTML/JS/etc apps will have roughly the same speed as native C++ apps. If that's true, then it can only mean that Win8 severely gimps the performance of natively-compiled apps. It's not as if they've found some magic technology to install a native-JS-executing CPU into your computer. Of course, this is all getting *very* speculative at this point.
Sep 29 2011
Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> On 2011-09-30 00:13, Nick Sabalausky wrote:"RenatoL"<renato relhost.net> wrote in message news:j62q4v$25tn$1 digitalmars.com...That's very hard to believe.Eh eh, it may be strange something good come out from MS... but i think this time we could look at this with interest.... this an object replacement for win32 and the OS exposes it in an "open" way... i believe this is good for D (and Delphi, Scala....)I'm not sure it's so good for D. Some of the comments here... http://www.winsupersite.com/blog/supersite-blog-39/windows8/winrt-replacing-win32-140605 ...seem to suggest that HTML/JS/etc apps will have roughly the same speed as native C++ apps. If that's true, then it can only mean that Win8 severely gimps the performance of natively-compiled apps. It's not as if they've found some magic technology to install a native-JS-executing CPU into your computer.Of course, this is all getting *very* speculative at this point.I've watched two video clips from the Build conference about C++, one was about C++ in WinRT. It looks and sounds pretty good to me, although I haven't looked at any other parts of Windows 8. I like the idea of having a completely object oriented system API that you also can share among other languages. Note that it's not often I say something good about Microsoft. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Sep 29 2011
"Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> wrote in message news:j62qi9$26i2$1 digitalmars.com......seem to suggest that HTML/JS/etc apps will have roughly the same speed as native C++ apps. If that's true, then it can only mean that Win8 severely gimps the performance of natively-compiled apps. It's not as if they've found some magic technology to install a native-JS-executing CPU into your computer.It looks - Intel parallelized JS by OpenCL https://github.com/RiverTrail/RiverTrail/wiki and just announced with Samsung - Tizen (www.tizen.org) with HTML5/JS as major GUI components builders on top of dead Meego. Oleg.
Sep 29 2011
On 2011-09-29 21:23:48 +0000, RenatoL <renato relhost.net> said:Hi all. What do you about WinRT? I think this new APIs could be a very interesting point for D... they are open to any language and i think that D is perfect to work with them. What's your opinion? Best regardsFrom what I understand, WinRT is based on COM. D already supports COM, so it might already be doable by declaring the right interfaces as derivatives of IUnknown. I suggest you give it a try. That said, the automatic reference counting they added to WinRT types in Visual C++ won't be available without compiler support (but you can do it manually), and neither will the compiler-generated reflection data (you'll have to generate it yourself). -- Michel Fortin michel.fortin michelf.com http://michelf.com/
Sep 30 2011
On 2011-09-30 12:58, Michel Fortin wrote:On 2011-09-29 21:23:48 +0000, RenatoL <renato relhost.net> said:Doesn't the garbage collector implement reference counting or similar when implementing from IUnknown? -- /Jacob CarlborgHi all. What do you about WinRT? I think this new APIs could be a very interesting point for D... they are open to any language and i think that D is perfect to work with them. What's your opinion? Best regardsFrom what I understand, WinRT is based on COM. D already supports COM, so it might already be doable by declaring the right interfaces as derivatives of IUnknown. I suggest you give it a try. That said, the automatic reference counting they added to WinRT types in Visual C++ won't be available without compiler support (but you can do it manually), and neither will the compiler-generated reflection data (you'll have to generate it yourself).
Sep 30 2011
On 2011-09-30 14:05:28 +0000, Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> said:On 2011-09-30 12:58, Michel Fortin wrote:Would be great, but it's not mentioned in the language spec so I somewhat doubt it. <http://www.d-programming-language.org/interface.html#COM-Interfaces> -- Michel Fortin michel.fortin michelf.com http://michelf.com/On 2011-09-29 21:23:48 +0000, RenatoL <renato relhost.net> said:Doesn't the garbage collector implement reference counting or similar when implementing from IUnknown?Hi all. What do you about WinRT? I think this new APIs could be a very interesting point for D... they are open to any language and i think that D is perfect to work with them. What's your opinion? Best regardsFrom what I understand, WinRT is based on COM. D already supports COM, so it might already be doable by declaring the right interfaces as derivatives of IUnknown. I suggest you give it a try. That said, the automatic reference counting they added to WinRT types in Visual C++ won't be available without compiler support (but you can do it manually), and neither will the compiler-generated reflection data (you'll have to generate it yourself).
Oct 01 2011
On 2011-10-01 23:44, Michel Fortin wrote:On 2011-09-30 14:05:28 +0000, Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> said:Perhpas I was thinking about this: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/blob/master/sr /rt/lifetime.d#L103 (the comment) But that might not be automatically called. -- /Jacob CarlborgOn 2011-09-30 12:58, Michel Fortin wrote:Would be great, but it's not mentioned in the language spec so I somewhat doubt it. <http://www.d-programming-language.org/interface.html#COM-Interfaces>On 2011-09-29 21:23:48 +0000, RenatoL <renato relhost.net> said:Doesn't the garbage collector implement reference counting or similar when implementing from IUnknown?Hi all. What do you about WinRT? I think this new APIs could be a very interesting point for D... they are open to any language and i think that D is perfect to work with them. What's your opinion? Best regardsFrom what I understand, WinRT is based on COM. D already supports COM, so it might already be doable by declaring the right interfaces as derivatives of IUnknown. I suggest you give it a try. That said, the automatic reference counting they added to WinRT types in Visual C++ won't be available without compiler support (but you can do it manually), and neither will the compiler-generated reflection data (you'll have to generate it yourself).
Oct 02 2011