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reply "zuzuleinen" <andrey.boar gmail.com> writes:
Hello,

First, here is my Linkedin profile 
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andreiboar in order to make an image 
of my professional background. I do realise here are really good 
programmers for which this background might sound like a joke, 
but this is what I did so far.

After watching some presentantions from DConf, and trying the 
language I decided to give it a try in the future.

Currrently I'm reading the Programming in D book by Ali Çehreli, 
and then The D Programming Language by Andrei Alexandrescu in 
order to learn more.

The reason I post this is to ask you what other books do you 
think I should try in order to become hireable in the next 2 
years?

As a web developer I know I lack a lot of information, but I'm 
willing to do the hard work. So if anyone has any other 
books/things I need to know and is willing to make me like a 
small roadmap to become a good D developer I would really 
appreciate.

Thanks a lot,
Andrei
Sep 07 2014
next sibling parent "Chris Nicholson-Sauls" <ibisbasenji gmail.com> writes:
There's Adam Ruppe's excellent "D Cookbook" available here:
https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/d-cookbook

And since you specifically said "web developer" I hope you're 
looking at vibe.d:
http://vibed.org/
Sep 07 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "Rikki Cattermole" <alphaglosined gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 7 September 2014 at 21:06:48 UTC, zuzuleinen wrote:

 Hello,

 First, here is my Linkedin profile 
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/andreiboar in order to make an image 
 of my professional background. I do realise here are really 
 good programmers for which this background might sound like a 
 joke, but this is what I did so far.

 After watching some presentantions from DConf, and trying the 
 language I decided to give it a try in the future.

 Currrently I'm reading the Programming in D book by Ali 
 Çehreli, and then The D Programming Language by Andrei 
 Alexandrescu in order to learn more.

 The reason I post this is to ask you what other books do you 
 think I should try in order to become hireable in the next 2 
 years?

 As a web developer I know I lack a lot of information, but I'm 
 willing to do the hard work. So if anyone has any other 
 books/things I need to know and is willing to make me like a 
 small roadmap to become a good D developer I would really 
 appreciate.

 Thanks a lot,
 Andrei


I would also recommend for you to investigate my work on:
Cmsed[0]
Dakka[1]
Dvorm[2]
livereload[3]
skeleton[4]

Please note next version of Cmsed which will support 
livereload/skeleton/Dakka is currently not ready to go on github.

[0] https://github.com/rikkimax/Cmsed
[1] https://github.com/rikkimax/dakka
[2] https://github.com/rikkimax/Dvorm
[3] https://github.com/rikkimax/livereload
[4] https://github.com/rikkimax/skeleton
Sep 07 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
On Sunday, 7 September 2014 at 21:06:48 UTC, zuzuleinen wrote:

 The reason I post this is to ask you what other books do you 
 think I should try in order to become hireable in the next 2 
 years?


See 
http://forum.dlang.org/thread/sgtnnyvmhxzexupgwvpe forum.dlang.org
Sep 08 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Gary Willoughby" <dev nomad.so> writes:
On Sunday, 7 September 2014 at 21:06:48 UTC, zuzuleinen wrote:

 Hello,

 First, here is my Linkedin profile 
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/andreiboar in order to make an image 
 of my professional background. I do realise here are really 
 good programmers for which this background might sound like a 
 joke, but this is what I did so far.

 After watching some presentantions from DConf, and trying the 
 language I decided to give it a try in the future.

 Currrently I'm reading the Programming in D book by Ali 
 Çehreli, and then The D Programming Language by Andrei 
 Alexandrescu in order to learn more.

 The reason I post this is to ask you what other books do you 
 think I should try in order to become hireable in the next 2 
 years?

 As a web developer I know I lack a lot of information, but I'm 
 willing to do the hard work. So if anyone has any other 
 books/things I need to know and is willing to make me like a 
 small roadmap to become a good D developer I would really 
 appreciate.

 Thanks a lot,
 Andrei


Hi and welcome.

I find it great that you want to learn and grow as a developer, 
many web devs don't and yet still think they're awesome. Using a 
language like D is a complete departure from what you've been 
doing so far because it compiles to native code and with that 
brings quite a few things to learn.

So where to start. First, i would take time to learn about 
pointers. These are pretty fundamental when dealing with native 
code and there's no real way of getting around that. Here's a 
five minute guide:

http://denniskubes.com/2012/08/16/the-5-minute-guide-to-c-pointers/

After that i would probably familiarise myself with the compiler 
and linker:

http://dlang.org/dmd-windows.html
http://dlang.org/dmd-linux.html
http://www.lurklurk.org/linkers/linkers.html

You're already reading Ali's and Andrei's books so that's good.

Try reading the phobos documentation to familiarise yourself with 
the library:

http://dlang.org/phobos/index.html

Maybe controversial but i would also consider reading the C book 
for a good grounding in pointers and memory allocation, etc. A 
lot of this is relevant in D.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language

It's nice to know these basics and you'll appreciate D a whole 
lot more coming from C. ;)

Remember to ask questions here as you go.
Sep 08 2014
parent "zuzuleinen" <andrey.boar gmail.com> writes:
Thank you all for all your suggestions, I really appreciate them 
:)

Now it's time to dive in, you gave me good resources :)
Sep 08 2014
prev sibling parent reply "AsmMan" <jckj33 gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 7 September 2014 at 21:06:48 UTC, zuzuleinen wrote:

 Hello,

 First, here is my Linkedin profile 
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/andreiboar in order to make an image 
 of my professional background. I do realise here are really 
 good programmers for which this background might sound like a 
 joke, but this is what I did so far.

 After watching some presentantions from DConf, and trying the 
 language I decided to give it a try in the future.

 Currrently I'm reading the Programming in D book by Ali 
 Çehreli, and then The D Programming Language by Andrei 
 Alexandrescu in order to learn more.

 The reason I post this is to ask you what other books do you 
 think I should try in order to become hireable in the next 2 
 years?

 As a web developer I know I lack a lot of information, but I'm 
 willing to do the hard work. So if anyone has any other 
 books/things I need to know and is willing to make me like a 
 small roadmap to become a good D developer I would really 
 appreciate.

 Thanks a lot,
 Andrei


Before go to D I recomend you to take a look at the C programming 
language (as Gary Willoughby already mentioned). I think it's 
really fundamental.
Sep 08 2014
parent reply ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn <digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com> writes:
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 20:47:19 +0000
AsmMan via Digitalmars-d-learn <digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com>
wrote:


 Before go to D I recomend you to take a look at the C programming=20
 language (as Gary Willoughby already mentioned). I think it's=20
 really fundamental.


do you really want him to drop programming? there is no need to start
with "Ford Model T" to drive "Lamborghini Estoque". *conceptions* are
fundamental, not languages. and D is much better starting point than C.
i know it, i have almost two decades of C expirience.
Sep 08 2014
next sibling parent reply "Gary Willoughby" <dev nomad.so> writes:
On Monday, 8 September 2014 at 20:58:20 UTC, ketmar via 
Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:

 On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 20:47:19 +0000
 AsmMan via Digitalmars-d-learn 
 <digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com>
 wrote:


 Before go to D I recomend you to take a look at the C 
 programming language (as Gary Willoughby already mentioned). I 
 think it's really fundamental.


 do you really want him to drop programming? there is no need to 
 start
 with "Ford Model T" to drive "Lamborghini Estoque". 
 *conceptions* are
 fundamental, not languages. and D is much better starting point 
 than C.
 i know it, i have almost two decades of C expirience.


I would agree but that little C book is an amazing read and full 
of valuable lessons.
Sep 08 2014
parent reply ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn <digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com> writes:
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 21:05:53 +0000
Gary Willoughby via Digitalmars-d-learn
<digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com> wrote:


 I would agree but that little C book is an amazing read and full=20
 of valuable lessons.


and pointer arithmetic, and memory leaks, and zero-terminated strings,
and writing generic algoritms with ugly casting, and... bad habits die
hard.
Sep 08 2014
parent "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
On Monday, 8 September 2014 at 21:17:40 UTC, ketmar via 
Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:

 On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 21:05:53 +0000
 Gary Willoughby via Digitalmars-d-learn
 <digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com> wrote:


 I would agree but that little C book is an amazing read and 
 full of valuable lessons.


 and pointer arithmetic, and memory leaks, and zero-terminated 
 strings,
 and writing generic algoritms with ugly casting, and... bad 
 habits die
 hard.


Maybe only to know, what to avoid. 
https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/2459
But books on D can already propose a good programming style. That 
should be enough. Also it can be better for a php programmer to 
start with high level D and go lower if and as needed.
Sep 08 2014
prev sibling parent "bachmeier" <no spam.net> writes:
On Monday, 8 September 2014 at 20:58:20 UTC, ketmar via 
Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:

 On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 20:47:19 +0000
 AsmMan via Digitalmars-d-learn 
 <digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com>
 wrote:


 Before go to D I recomend you to take a look at the C 
 programming language (as Gary Willoughby already mentioned). I 
 think it's really fundamental.


 do you really want him to drop programming? there is no need to 
 start
 with "Ford Model T" to drive "Lamborghini Estoque". 
 *conceptions* are
 fundamental, not languages. and D is much better starting point 
 than C.
 i know it, i have almost two decades of C expirience.


+1

If you really want background before moving on to D, go with 
assembly instead. C is no more a prerequisite for D than is 
lambda calculus.
Sep 08 2014