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reply Mike <mike_marquard hotmail.com> writes:
I've downloaded the dmd d compiler for Win32 but I have a few questions about
how to use the compiler, before I install it and try it out. How do you
actually use this thing? Do you write text files then pass command line
instructions to tell the compiler what text files to compile or is there some
sort of IDE that goes with this? Also I've seen some IDEs listed on google for
d, can you use in a way similar to say the .net IDE? For instance are all of
them just text editors or can you compile it from the program and do any of
them have debuggers with breakpoints ect..? If any of you guys could recomend
one to try.

One other question. If I make a program using the dmd compiler does it have to
be open source since part of the d compiler is under the gpl or would that just
apply to people making other d compilers?

thanks in advance for your help,

Mike

ps I'm using windows xp
Jun 21 2007
next sibling parent Robert Fraser <fraserofthenight gmail.com> writes:
Hi, Mike, and welcome to the D community.


 I've downloaded the dmd d compiler for Win32 but I have a few questions about
how to use the compiler, before I install it and try it out. How do you
actually use this thing? Do you write text files then pass command line
instructions to tell the compiler what text files to compile


Yes, see the documentation on the website.


 or is there some sort of IDE that goes with this? Also I've seen some IDEs
listed on google for d, can you use in a way similar to say the .net IDE? For
instance are all of them just text editors or can you compile it from the
program and do any of them have debuggers with breakpoints ect..? If any of you
guys could recomend one to try.



All the D IDEs I know of use an external tool for compiling (actually, I think
almost every IDE does, although it's more transparent in some than others). I'd
recommend descent http://www.dsource.org/projects/descent , an eclipse plugun,
but only because I'm working on it ;-P. Poseidon
http://www.dsource.org/projects/poseidon seems to be a bit more popular. Both
have debugger frontends, but you'll need to download a debugger separately, and
configure the program to use it. There are a few other IDEs around (a lot of
people use Code::Blocks), just do a search.


 One other question. If I make a program using the dmd compiler does it have to
be open source since part of the d compiler is under the gpl or would that just
apply to people making other d compilers?


No, that's only if you use the actual source code of DMD (so, yes, for making
other compilers). I'm not even sure if it is GPL.


 thanks in advance for your help,
 
 Mike
 
 ps I'm using windows xp
Jun 21 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Kirk McDonald <kirklin.mcdonald gmail.com> writes:
Mike wrote:

 I've downloaded the dmd d compiler for Win32 but I have a few
 questions about how to use the compiler, before I install it and try
 it out. How do you actually use this thing? Do you write text files
 then pass command line instructions to tell the compiler what text
 files to compile 


Yes, this is right.


 or is there some sort of IDE that goes with this?


There are a few IDEs which can use DMD. Here's a list of editors:
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?EditorSupport

In terms of IDEs, I gather Code::Blocks and Eclipse (with Descent) have 
pretty good D support.

Personally, I just use vim in conjunction with rebuild (which is part of 
DSSS):
http://www.vim.org/
http://www.dsource.org/projects/dsss


 Also I've seen some IDEs listed on google for d, can you use in a way
 similar to say the .net IDE? For instance are all of them just text
 editors or can you compile it from the program and do any of them
 have debuggers with breakpoints ect..? If any of you guys could
 recomend one to try.
 


See above. As for debuggers, the most up-to-date is probably ddbg:
http://ddbg.mainia.de/releases.html
Some IDEs (particularly Code::Blocks) can act as a front-end to ddbg. 
(ddbg has a gdb compatibility mode, and might work in any IDE which can 
use gdb.)


 One other question. If I make a program using the dmd compiler does
 it have to be open source since part of the d compiler is under the
 gpl or would that just apply to people making other d compilers?
 


Using DMD does not imply anything at all about the programs you create 
with it. License issues only kick in if you create software derived from 
the DMD front-end. This might include another D compiler (viz. GDC) or 
other utilities which use parts of the front-end (viz. rebuild).

If I remember correctly, the DMD front-end is dual-licensed under both 
the GPL and the Artistic license.

-- 
Kirk McDonald
http://kirkmcdonald.blogspot.com
Pyd: Connecting D and Python
http://pyd.dsource.org
Jun 21 2007
parent reply Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
Kirk McDonald wrote:

 or is there some sort of IDE that goes with this?


 
 There are a few IDEs which can use DMD. Here's a list of editors:
 http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?EditorSupport
 


Hum, that page looks quite outdated, maybe it should be cleaned up a 
bit? (for instance start marking discontinued editors?)

-- 
Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D
Jun 23 2007
parent reply Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
Bruno Medeiros wrote:

 Kirk McDonald wrote:

 or is there some sort of IDE that goes with this?


 There are a few IDEs which can use DMD. Here's a list of editors:
 http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?EditorSupport


 
 Hum, that page looks quite outdated, maybe it should be cleaned up a 
 bit? (for instance start marking discontinued editors?)
 


Ok, I've updated that page: put the list under a tabled and added some 
info about the projects I know. If anyone has more info about other 
projects do add that as well.
It should be well worth to keep that entry updated, it's the single most 
read entry in the D wiki.


-- 
Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D
Jun 23 2007
parent reply jcc7 <technocrat7 gmail.com> writes:
== Quote from Bruno Medeiros (brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail)'s article

 Bruno Medeiros wrote:

 Kirk McDonald wrote:

 or is there some sort of IDE that goes with this?


 There are a few IDEs which can use DMD. Here's a list of editors:
 http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?EditorSupport


 Hum, that page looks quite outdated, maybe it should be cleaned up
 a bit? (for instance start marking discontinued editors?)


 Ok, I've updated that page: put the list under a tabled and added
 some info about the projects I know. If anyone has more info about
 other projects do add that as well.
 It should be well worth to keep that entry updated, it's the single
 most read entry in the D wiki.


Unfortunately, most abandoned projects don't have obituaries published when they
are abandoned. Maybe it'd easier just to list "pros" and "cons". Features that
work well are "pros". Bugs are "cons".

Or maybe we should have an "endorsed" editor (or editors) where one editor (or a
few editors) is mentioned at the top of the page with a few reasons why it's a
great editor. Personally, I usually use SciTE these days because it's
lightweight,
flexible, and supports many languages out of the box. (And it's support of D
syntax includes correct handling of nested comments, too.)
Jun 25 2007
parent Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
jcc7 wrote:

 == Quote from Bruno Medeiros (brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail)'s article

 Bruno Medeiros wrote:

 Kirk McDonald wrote:

 or is there some sort of IDE that goes with this?


 There are a few IDEs which can use DMD. Here's a list of editors:
 http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?EditorSupport


 Hum, that page looks quite outdated, maybe it should be cleaned up
 a bit? (for instance start marking discontinued editors?)


 Ok, I've updated that page: put the list under a tabled and added
 some info about the projects I know. If anyone has more info about
 other projects do add that as well.
 It should be well worth to keep that entry updated, it's the single
 most read entry in the D wiki.


 
 Unfortunately, most abandoned projects don't have obituaries published when
they
 are abandoned. Maybe it'd easier just to list "pros" and "cons". Features that
 work well are "pros". Bugs are "cons".
 
 Or maybe we should have an "endorsed" editor (or editors) where one editor (or
a
 few editors) is mentioned at the top of the page with a few reasons why it's a
 great editor. Personally, I usually use SciTE these days because it's
lightweight,
 flexible, and supports many languages out of the box. (And it's support of D
 syntax includes correct handling of nested comments, too.)


Curiously, most Eclipse based projects did post obituaries :P. But 
you're right, that's not common. We should take DaringStranger idea and 
place dates on the Status column, otherwise "active" runs the risk of 
getting outdated.

-- 
Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D
Jul 01 2007
prev sibling parent Mike <mike_marquard hotmail.com> writes:
Thank you guys for your help.
Jun 22 2007