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reply Chris Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to install D. 
Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't have a choice as to
what libraries I need.

I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my Windows
Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really care.  My biggest
problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.  I've totally given up on
finding an IDE by now.

I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones on
digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller project
hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I can't find.  I
got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then when I tried to build a
helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be
building larger projects with).

I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, though it's
really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.

Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help you can
give!
Feb 18 2008
next sibling parent Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to install D. 
Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't have a choice as to
what libraries I need.
 
 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my Windows
Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really care.  My biggest
problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.  I've totally given up on
finding an IDE by now.
 
 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones on
digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller project
hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I can't find.  I
got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then when I tried to build a
helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be
building larger projects with).
 
 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, though
it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.
 
 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help you can
give!


Do you think it's Vista-specific?

--bb
Feb 18 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Chris Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Bill Baxter Wrote:


 Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to install D. 
Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't have a choice as to
what libraries I need.
 
 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my Windows
Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really care.  My biggest
problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.  I've totally given up on
finding an IDE by now.
 
 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones on
digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller project
hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I can't find.  I
got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then when I tried to build a
helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be
building larger projects with).
 
 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, though
it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.
 
 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help you can
give!


 
 Do you think it's Vista-specific?


I don't think so, since I'm running my shells as administrator.  I use Cygwin
in addition to the normal Windows command prompt, switching to the less-capable
windows prompt when necessary.

I know I have something that almost works, since I got it to the point where I
have a base install (Phobos, dmd, and nothing else) which can compile a blank D
program (void main(){}) without any problems, and UAC doesn't try and badger me.

It's getting Derelect, Tango*, and DDBI as well that's proving to be the hard
part.  DWT would be nice, too, but I could do without it if I have to.  Rebuild
is also sort of required, since I can't build all this stuff by hand all the
time.  That's just raw insanity if you ask me!

* Or Tangobos.  I just need the features from the listed libraries, I don't
much care how I get 'em.  I just want to write code now...  I've been beating
compilers around for a long time trying to get them to work.  If you have a
working setup, man, consider yourself lucky!  You don't know how hard it is to
see a beautiful language and not be able to take it for a spin!
Feb 18 2008
next sibling parent reply Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
Chris Miller wrote:

 Bill Baxter Wrote:
 

 Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to install D. 
Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't have a choice as to
what libraries I need.

 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my Windows
Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really care.  My biggest
problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.  I've totally given up on
finding an IDE by now.

 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones on
digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller project
hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I can't find.  I
got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then when I tried to build a
helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be
building larger projects with).

 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, though
it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.

 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help you can
give!


 Do you think it's Vista-specific?


 
 I don't think so, since I'm running my shells as administrator.  I use Cygwin
in addition to the normal Windows command prompt, switching to the less-capable
windows prompt when necessary.
 
 I know I have something that almost works, since I got it to the point where I
have a base install (Phobos, dmd, and nothing else) which can compile a blank D
program (void main(){}) without any problems, and UAC doesn't try and badger me.
 
 It's getting Derelect, Tango*, and DDBI as well that's proving to be the hard
part.  DWT would be nice, too, but I could do without it if I have to.  Rebuild
is also sort of required, since I can't build all this stuff by hand all the
time.  That's just raw insanity if you ask me!
 
 * Or Tangobos.  I just need the features from the listed libraries, I don't
much care how I get 'em.  I just want to write code now...  I've been beating
compilers around for a long time trying to get them to work.  If you have a
working setup, man, consider yourself lucky!  You don't know how hard it is to
see a beautiful language and not be able to take it for a spin!



I have a Cygwin install too, but I don't trust it for doing D stuff.  Or 
rather the D toolchain has so much crufty stuff in it that I don't trust 
it to be able to compile from anywhere other than a good ole DOS prompt.

Speaking of crufy toolchain, which directory did you install D stuff 
into?  I think C:\dmd is what's recommended -- specifically no spaces of 
funky chars in your path.  I've been using f:\usr\pkg\d\dmd as my 
install location for a long time with no troubles. (F:\ is a portable 
drive.)

I've got other things installed mostly under the dmd imports dir:
f:\usr\pkg\d\dmd\import\tangobos
f:\usr\pkg\d\dmd\import\dfl
f:\usr\pkg\d\dmd\import\tango
f:\usr\pkg\d\dmd\import\derelict
etc...

DSSS is under:

f:\usr\pkg\d\dsss

--bb
Feb 18 2008
parent reply Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
Bill Baxter wrote:

 Chris Miller wrote:

 Bill Baxter Wrote:


 Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to 
 install D.  Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't 
 have a choice as to what libraries I need.

 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my 
 Windows Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really 
 care.  My biggest problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.  
 I've totally given up on finding an IDE by now.

 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones 
 on digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller 
 project hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere 
 I can't find.  I got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then 
 when I tried to build a helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried 
 using rebuild, which is what I would be building larger projects with).

 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, 
 though it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.

 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help 
 you can give!


 Do you think it's Vista-specific?


 I don't think so, since I'm running my shells as administrator.  I use 
 Cygwin in addition to the normal Windows command prompt, switching to 
 the less-capable windows prompt when necessary.

 I know I have something that almost works, since I got it to the point 
 where I have a base install (Phobos, dmd, and nothing else) which can 
 compile a blank D program (void main(){}) without any problems, and 
 UAC doesn't try and badger me.

 It's getting Derelect, Tango*, and DDBI as well that's proving to be 
 the hard part.  DWT would be nice, too, but I could do without it if I 
 have to.  Rebuild is also sort of required, since I can't build all 
 this stuff by hand all the time.  That's just raw insanity if you ask me!

 * Or Tangobos.  I just need the features from the listed libraries, I 
 don't much care how I get 'em.  I just want to write code now...  I've 
 been beating compilers around for a long time trying to get them to 
 work.  If you have a working setup, man, consider yourself lucky!  You 
 don't know how hard it is to see a beautiful language and not be able 
 to take it for a spin!


 
 
 I have a Cygwin install too, but I don't trust it for doing D stuff.  Or 
 rather the D toolchain has so much crufty stuff in it that I don't trust 
 it to be able to compile from anywhere other than a good ole DOS prompt.
 
 Speaking of crufy toolchain, which directory did you install D stuff 
 into?  I think C:\dmd is what's recommended -- specifically no spaces of 
 funky chars in your path.  I've been using f:\usr\pkg\d\dmd as my 
 install location for a long time with no troubles. (F:\ is a portable 
 drive.)
 
 I've got other things installed mostly under the dmd imports dir:
 f:\usr\pkg\d\dmd\import\tangobos
 f:\usr\pkg\d\dmd\import\dfl
 f:\usr\pkg\d\dmd\import\tango
 f:\usr\pkg\d\dmd\import\derelict
 etc...
 
 DSSS is under:
 
 f:\usr\pkg\d\dsss
 
 --bb


BTW... you must be a different Chris Miller than the one who wrote DFL, 
huh?  That would explain how Chris Miller was able to fix a bug I 
reported yesterday at the same time Chris Miller is unable to get a D 
install working at all. :-)  Confused me for a minute there...

--bb
Feb 18 2008
parent "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Bill Baxter" <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> wrote in message 
news:fpe0l1$2up4$2 digitalmars.com...


 BTW... you must be a different Chris Miller than the one who wrote DFL, 
 huh?  That would explain how Chris Miller was able to fix a bug I reported 
 yesterday at the same time Chris Miller is unable to get a D install 
 working at all. :-)  Confused me for a minute there...


Yes, this is Chris "Lord Sauron" Miller, not Chris "byte[]" Miller ;)  I 
mean, when you have such a common name, you're bound to get duplicates once 
in a while.
Feb 19 2008
prev sibling parent reply torhu <no spam.invalid> writes:
Chris Miller wrote:

 I know I have something that almost works, since I got it to the point where I
have a base install (Phobos, dmd, and nothing else) which can compile a blank D
program (void main(){}) without any problems, and UAC doesn't try and badger me.
 
 It's getting Derelect, Tango*, and DDBI as well that's proving to be the hard
part.  DWT would be nice, too, but I could do without it if I have to.  Rebuild
is also sort of required, since I can't build all this stuff by hand all the
time.  That's just raw insanity if you ask me!
 
 * Or Tangobos.  I just need the features from the listed libraries, I don't
much care how I get 'em.  I just want to write code now...  I've been beating
compilers around for a long time trying to get them to work.  If you have a
working setup, man, consider yourself lucky!  You don't know how hard it is to
see a beautiful language and not be able to take it for a spin!



Setting up a D environment and be able to build apps can be trickier 
than with other languagues.  Mostly because there are two competing std 
libraries, and because the commonly used build tools are so different 
from what people are used to.

One important basic is to figure out how to configure dmd correctly, 
mainly the LIB and DFLAGS settings in sc.ini.  I'll just post the link 
here, to further insult your intelligence. ;)
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/dcompiler.html#sc_ini


Some random hints:

Don't try to build tango with dsss, IIRC it doesn't work.  Use the batch 
files in tango/lib, you just need to run them in alphabetical order. 
Then you only need to set up your import (include) and lib paths in 
sc.ini to point to tango instead of phobos.

Don't try to use tangobos until you've gotten some general experience 
with building D apps and libs.  It can complicate your build process a lot.


And if you post the error messages here or in #D on irc, there's a good 
chance someone will spot the problem right away. Been there, done that. :)
Feb 18 2008
parent reply Chris Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
torhu Wrote:


 Chris Miller wrote:

 I know I have something that almost works, since I got it to the point where I
have a base install (Phobos, dmd, and nothing else) which can compile a blank D
program (void main(){}) without any problems, and UAC doesn't try and badger me.
 
 It's getting Derelect, Tango*, and DDBI as well that's proving to be the hard
part.  DWT would be nice, too, but I could do without it if I have to.  Rebuild
is also sort of required, since I can't build all this stuff by hand all the
time.  That's just raw insanity if you ask me!
 
 * Or Tangobos.  I just need the features from the listed libraries, I don't
much care how I get 'em.  I just want to write code now...  I've been beating
compilers around for a long time trying to get them to work.  If you have a
working setup, man, consider yourself lucky!  You don't know how hard it is to
see a beautiful language and not be able to take it for a spin!


 
 
 Setting up a D environment and be able to build apps can be trickier 
 than with other languagues.  Mostly because there are two competing std 
 libraries, and because the commonly used build tools are so different 
 from what people are used to.


90% of the ambiguity I perceive is from the Phobos/Tango problem.


 One important basic is to figure out how to configure dmd correctly, 
 mainly the LIB and DFLAGS settings in sc.ini.  I'll just post the link 
 here, to further insult your intelligence. ;)
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/dcompiler.html#sc_ini


Actually that helps a great deal.


 Some random hints:
 
 Don't try to build tango with dsss, IIRC it doesn't work.  Use the batch 
 files in tango/lib, you just need to run them in alphabetical order. 
 Then you only need to set up your import (include) and lib paths in 
 sc.ini to point to tango instead of phobos.


Batch files?  Gosh that sounds not far removed from the time-honored tradition
of caveman debugging.  In the Engineer's famous last words, there has to be a
better way.  I'll try the batch files if nothing else works.


 Don't try to use tangobos until you've gotten some general experience 
 with building D apps and libs.  It can complicate your build process a lot.


Yeah, I read something about differences between Object.d and madness like that.

If the two library's cores are separate, it seems to me that one could mitigate
their differences and stick them both into the default download.  It's very
detrimental to continue to have these two libraries conflicting so violently
with each other.


 And if you post the error messages here or in #D on irc, there's a good 
 chance someone will spot the problem right away. Been there, done that. :)


Ah, yes, IRC.  The one thing I always have with me, but never remember to use.

I'm so old-school.  I have yet to really embrace instant messaging, cell
phones, text messaging, and forum boards.  I'm still stuck in email and Usenet.
Feb 19 2008
parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Chris Miller" <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:fpfjh4$lds$1 digitalmars.com...


 Yeah, I read something about differences between Object.d and madness like 
 that.

 If the two library's cores are separate, it seems to me that one could 
 mitigate their differences and stick them both into the default download. 
 It's very detrimental to continue to have these two libraries conflicting 
 so violently with each other.


Hey, take it up with the Big Man.  There's overwhelming support for Tango to 
supplant or at least be a surrogate to Phobos, if the recent survey says 
anything, but Walter still insists on keeping Phobos.  There's only one 
person who can say which library is "standard" and either he doesn't _want_ 
to or he just doesn't have the time.  (My guess is a bit of both.)

Until then, there's nothing anyone else can do.
Feb 19 2008
parent jcc7 <technocrat7 gmail.com> writes:
== Quote from Jarrett Billingsley (kb3ctd2 yahoo.com)'s article

 "Chris Miller" <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> wrote in message
 news:fpfjh4$lds$1 digitalmars.com...

 Yeah, I read something about differences between Object.d and
 madness like that.

 If the two library's cores are separate, it seems to me that one
 could mitigate their differences and stick them both into the
 default download.
 It's very detrimental to continue to have these two libraries
 conflicting so violently with each other.


 Hey, take it up with the Big Man.  There's overwhelming support for
 Tango to supplant or at least be a surrogate to Phobos, if the
 recent survey says anything, but Walter still insists on keeping
 Phobos.  There's only one person who can say which library is
 "standard" and either he doesn't _want_ to or he just doesn't have
 the time.  (My guess is a bit of both.)

 Until then, there's nothing anyone else can do.


I don't want this thread to become another Phobos vs. Tango thread, but I'm
going
to express my opinion.

<rant>

This attitude of (paraphrasing) "there are two standard libraries because Walter
won't declare that Tango is the standard library" is part of the reason why
people
don't like Tango.

(And I think that members of the Tango team have argued that the Tango team has
never called Tango a standard library. Indeed, the Tango website,
http://www.dsource.org/projects/tango, doesn't seem to refer to Tango as a
standard library.)

Phobos is the standard library: "Phobos is the standard runtime library that
comes
with the D language compiler."
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/2.0/phobos/phobos.html

Tango is an alternate runtime library. It's not a standard library. Walter has
made his decision. Maybe he'll adopt Tango in the future, but Phobos was first
and
Tango is the new kid. The new kid has a lot of toys and doesn't want to share
the
sandbox with Phobos, but it's still the new kid.

I understand that Tango came about from merging Ares and Mango (and some other
projects), but I think it's unfortunate that it can't coexist better with Phobos
-- such as a version of Tango that is available without the runtime so that you
can download a standard DMD package from digitalmars.com and then supplement it
with some Tango goodies. It sounds like Walter is slowly accepting some runtime
improvements from Tango, but I doubt that Walter will ever accept all of Tango's
ideas. He likes to be in control and be able to judge for himself whether the
code
is what he wants. The best we can realistically hope for is improved
compatibility. Tango could help by compromising some of its uniqueness when
Walter
has gone as far as he's going to do. (I think that Tango has had some changes to
improve compatibility recently, and that's a good thing.)

Winning a web poll doesn't prove overwhelming support. It'll take more than that
to sway Walter. (Many people abstain from web polls because they realize they
don't have any effect.) Walter's vote is worth more than the rest of our votes.

</rant>
Feb 20 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent jcc7 <technocrat7 gmail.com> writes:
== Quote from Chris Miller (lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com)'s article

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to
 install D.  Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't
 have a choice as to what libraries I need.

 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my
 Windows Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really
 care.  My biggest problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.


I assume you've been sticking with DMD 1.x since I don't think that Tango or
Derelict (or even DDBI?) are available for DMD 2.x. (And the last time I checked
the latest DSSS wasn't compatible with the latest DMD 2.x.)



 I've totally given up on finding an IDE by now.


I guess some people use Eclipse with the Descent plug-in, but I think most
people
just use a simple text editor that's setup to highlight D keywords.

I hope you get it figured out, but without more detail about what your problems
are, I don't know what more advice to give.

By the way, I use batch files for compiling and I've found that I pretty much
need
the bin directories for both DMD and DSSS in the path to get DSSS to work. I
don't
know if that's because I'm "doing it wrong" or what, but I can get it to work
that
way. But I don't use Tango or Derelict or DDBI, so I don't know how those
complicate things.
Feb 19 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Chris Miller" <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:fpdrpn$2nqe$1 digitalmars.com...

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to install 
 D.  Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't have a choice 
 as to what libraries I need.

 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my Windows 
 Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really care.  My 
 biggest problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.  I've totally 
 given up on finding an IDE by now.

 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones on 
 digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller project 
 hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I can't find. 
 I got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then when I tried to build 
 a helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I 
 would be building larger projects with).

 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, though 
 it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.

 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help you 
 can give!


To install Derelict, I've always followed the instruction here:

http://dmedia.dprogramming.com/?n=Tutorials.SdlGlTutorial1

Which are linked to from the Derelict project page, but inexplicably not 
actually _on_ the Derelict project page.  They've always worked perfectly 
(the Windows install instructions).

DSSS shouldn't be _that_ hard.  It's basically

1) Unzip the DSSS zip to somewhere.
2) Add that path\bin to your PATH.

Tango's probably going to be the trickiest part.  I've got it installed but 
TBH I'm not entirely sure how X(
Feb 19 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent Christopher Wright <dhasenan gmail.com> writes:
Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to install D. 
Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't have a choice as to
what libraries I need.
 
 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my Windows
Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really care.  My biggest
problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.  I've totally given up on
finding an IDE by now.
 
 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones on
digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller project
hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I can't find.  I
got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then when I tried to build a
helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be
building larger projects with).
 
 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, though
it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.
 
 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help you can
give!


For Tango, there's http://www.dsource.org/projects/tango/wiki/WindowsInstall

The downloads page linked from there is 
http://www.dsource.org/projects/tango/wiki/DmdDownloads#MSWindows which 
all include DMD.
Feb 19 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doobnet gmail.com> writes:
Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to install D. 
Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't have a choice as to
what libraries I need.
 
 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my Windows
Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really care.  My biggest
problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.  I've totally given up on
finding an IDE by now.
 
 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones on
digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller project
hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I can't find.  I
got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then when I tried to build a
helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be
building larger projects with).
 
 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, though
it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.
 
 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help you can
give!


I have previously written two installation guides

D, DSSS, Tango and Derelict - http://www.gravitygame.se/denvironment.rhtml

D, DSSS, Tango and DWT - 
http://www.dsource.org/projects/dwt/wiki/Installation
Feb 19 2008
parent reply Chris Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Jacob Carlborg Wrote:


 Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to install D. 
Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't have a choice as to
what libraries I need.
 
 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my Windows
Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really care.  My biggest
problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.  I've totally given up on
finding an IDE by now.
 
 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones on
digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller project
hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I can't find.  I
got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then when I tried to build a
helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be
building larger projects with).
 
 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, though
it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.
 
 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help you can
give!


 
 I have previously written two installation guides
 
 D, DSSS, Tango and Derelict - http://www.gravitygame.se/denvironment.rhtml


That's exactly the kind of tutorial I've been looking for!

Unfortunately I'm not at my workstation (using my Ubuntu Linux laptop ATM) so
I'll have to take another whack at this when I get home.


 D, DSSS, Tango and DWT - 
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/dwt/wiki/Installation


That's not so bad...  coming from a guy who spent about three months messing
with C++ and Boost (never did work, but it wasn't my fault either!).

I was trained in Java, so I Java-like GUI toolkit will help me greatly!


I'm sort of amazed that there isn't a downloadable image that has all of these
things by default.  To me it would seem second nature to release toolkit images
containing the basic libraries for GUI, OpenGL, std (Tango), etc.

Once you get this stuff installed it's not that weird, a simple file tree would
look something like :d\;:d\dm;:\d\dmd;:d\dsss which the user could unzip to
anywhere and have an instant toolchain right there.  Just add the stuff to the
PATH and you're good to go.
Feb 19 2008
next sibling parent Jesse Phillips <jessekphillips gmail.com> writes:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:41:56 -0500, Chris Miller wrote:


 Jacob Carlborg Wrote:
 

 Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to
 install D.  Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't
 have a choice as to what libraries I need.
 
 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my
 Windows Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really
 care.  My biggest problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI. 
 I've totally given up on finding an IDE by now.
 
 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones
 on digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller
 project hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I
 can't find.  I got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then
 when I tried to build a helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using
 rebuild, which is what I would be building larger projects with).
 
 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like,
 though it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.
 
 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help
 you can give!


 
 I have previously written two installation guides
 
 D, DSSS, Tango and Derelict -
 http://www.gravitygame.se/denvironment.rhtml


 
 That's exactly the kind of tutorial I've been looking for!
 
 Unfortunately I'm not at my workstation (using my Ubuntu Linux laptop
 ATM) so I'll have to take another whack at this when I get home.
 

 D, DSSS, Tango and DWT -
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/dwt/wiki/Installation


 
 That's not so bad...  coming from a guy who spent about three months
 messing with C++ and Boost (never did work, but it wasn't my fault
 either!).
 
 I was trained in Java, so I Java-like GUI toolkit will help me greatly!
 
 
 I'm sort of amazed that there isn't a downloadable image that has all of
 these things by default.  To me it would seem second nature to release
 toolkit images containing the basic libraries for GUI, OpenGL, std
 (Tango), etc.
 
 Once you get this stuff installed it's not that weird, a simple file
 tree would look something like :d\;:d\dm;:\d\dmd;:d\dsss which the user
 could unzip to anywhere and have an instant toolchain right there.  Just
 add the stuff to the PATH and you're good to go.


Digitalmars is the only ones (except Tangos special privileges) to 
distribute dmd. This has caused limited ability for community driven 
packages. And yes this has come up in discussions before.
Feb 19 2008
prev sibling parent reply Chris Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Chris Miller Wrote:


 Jacob Carlborg Wrote:
 

 Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to install D. 
Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't have a choice as to
what libraries I need.
 
 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my Windows
Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really care.  My biggest
problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.  I've totally given up on
finding an IDE by now.
 
 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones on
digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller project
hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I can't find.  I
got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then when I tried to build a
helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be
building larger projects with).
 
 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, though
it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.
 
 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help you can
give!


 
 I have previously written two installation guides
 
 D, DSSS, Tango and Derelict - http://www.gravitygame.se/denvironment.rhtml


 
 That's exactly the kind of tutorial I've been looking for!
 
 Unfortunately I'm not at my workstation (using my Ubuntu Linux laptop ATM) so
I'll have to take another whack at this when I get home.


I attempted to install this stuff to a flash drive while at school.  It didn't
work on the derelict install.  I thought it was related to the weird nature of
the school machines, but when the error happened again at home... I knew
something was wrong.  During dsss net install derelict this happens:

.. lots of stuff we don't care about ...
Exported revision 282.
Creating imports for DerelictUtil

derelict => DerelictUtil
+ C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\ -IC:\dsss\include\d -SC:\dsss
\lib\  -IC:\dsss\include\d -SC:\dsss\lib  -oqdsss_objs\D  -explicit -lib derelic
t\util\exception.d derelict\util\loader.d derelict\util\wintypes.d derelict\util
\wrapper.d -ofDerelictUtil.lib
derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: undefined identifier fromStringz
derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: function expected before (), not fromStringz
 of type int
derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: cannot implicitly convert expression (fromSt
ringz(cstr)) of type int to char[]
Command C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe returned with code 1, aborting.
Error: Command failed, aborting.

It seems to be choking on the compile, screaming something about the source
it's trying to compile in its final moments.

I have a few hypotheses:

1) Derelict isn't Tango-compatible.  Move back to Phobos, compile Derelict,
move back to Tango.
2) The sources dsss downloaded don't compile anyways.  Manually check out a
previous revision, or wait for someone to fix it.


I tried both repositories DSSS gave the the choice of downloading from.  Both
gave the same results.  The Tango example compiled and ran okay though, so I
know it isn't an issue with a broken compiler or something like that.

Attached are the directory trees of the relevant directories.


Thanks for the help, I've already gotten further than I previously would be
able to much faster than I would have been able to get on my own.

My goal is to have this stuff working by the Ides of March so I can begin the
real fun work of coding (which is why I'm a programmer - mucking around with
installing stuff is for IT gremlins!)
Feb 19 2008
parent reply Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
Chris Miller wrote:

 Chris Miller Wrote:
 

 Jacob Carlborg Wrote:


 Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to install D. 
Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't have a choice as to
what libraries I need.

 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my Windows
Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really care.  My biggest
problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.  I've totally given up on
finding an IDE by now.

 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones on
digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller project
hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I can't find.  I
got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then when I tried to build a
helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be
building larger projects with).

 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, though
it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.

 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help you can
give!


 I have previously written two installation guides

 D, DSSS, Tango and Derelict - http://www.gravitygame.se/denvironment.rhtml


 That's exactly the kind of tutorial I've been looking for!

 Unfortunately I'm not at my workstation (using my Ubuntu Linux laptop ATM) so
I'll have to take another whack at this when I get home.


 
 I attempted to install this stuff to a flash drive while at school.  It didn't
work on the derelict install.  I thought it was related to the weird nature of
the school machines, but when the error happened again at home... I knew
something was wrong.  During dsss net install derelict this happens:
 
 .. lots of stuff we don't care about ...
 Exported revision 282.
 Creating imports for DerelictUtil
 
 derelict => DerelictUtil
 + C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\ -IC:\dsss\include\d
-SC:\dsss
 \lib\  -IC:\dsss\include\d -SC:\dsss\lib  -oqdsss_objs\D  -explicit -lib
derelic
 t\util\exception.d derelict\util\loader.d derelict\util\wintypes.d
derelict\util
 \wrapper.d -ofDerelictUtil.lib
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: undefined identifier fromStringz
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: function expected before (), not
fromStringz
  of type int
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: cannot implicitly convert expression
(fromSt
 ringz(cstr)) of type int to char[]
 Command C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe returned with code 1, aborting.
 Error: Command failed, aborting.
 
 It seems to be choking on the compile, screaming something about the source
it's trying to compile in its final moments.
 
 I have a few hypotheses:
 
 1) Derelict isn't Tango-compatible.  Move back to Phobos, compile Derelict,
move back to Tango.
 2) The sources dsss downloaded don't compile anyways.  Manually check out a
previous revision, or wait for someone to fix it.
 
 
 I tried both repositories DSSS gave the the choice of downloading from.  Both
gave the same results.  The Tango example compiled and ran okay though, so I
know it isn't an issue with a broken compiler or something like that.
 
 Attached are the directory trees of the relevant directories.
 
 
 Thanks for the help, I've already gotten further than I previously would be
able to much faster than I would have been able to get on my own.
 
 My goal is to have this stuff working by the Ides of March so I can begin the
real fun work of coding (which is why I'm a programmer - mucking around with
installing stuff is for IT gremlins!)
 


fromStringz is a function in the latest SVN of Tango.
It called fromUtf8z in the 0.99.4 Tango "Frank" release.

dsss net install generally downloads latest sources from dsource, so I 
suspect what happened is that SVN Derelict has been fixed to work with 
SVN tango, but you are using the release Tango.

You can either get Tango from SVN and build it,
Or you can maybe find a tarball of Derelict that's compatible with 
0.99.4 tango and install that.

--bb
Feb 19 2008
next sibling parent reply Chris Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Bill Baxter Wrote:


 Chris Miller wrote:

 Chris Miller Wrote:
 I attempted to install this stuff to a flash drive while at school.  It didn't
work on the derelict install.  I thought it was related to the weird nature of
the school machines, but when the error happened again at home... I knew
something was wrong.  During dsss net install derelict this happens:
 
 .. lots of stuff we don't care about ...
 Exported revision 282.
 Creating imports for DerelictUtil
 
 derelict => DerelictUtil
 + C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\ -IC:\dsss\include\d
-SC:\dsss
 \lib\  -IC:\dsss\include\d -SC:\dsss\lib  -oqdsss_objs\D  -explicit -lib
derelic
 t\util\exception.d derelict\util\loader.d derelict\util\wintypes.d
derelict\util
 \wrapper.d -ofDerelictUtil.lib
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: undefined identifier fromStringz
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: function expected before (), not
fromStringz
  of type int
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: cannot implicitly convert expression
(fromSt
 ringz(cstr)) of type int to char[]
 Command C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe returned with code 1, aborting.
 Error: Command failed, aborting.
 
 It seems to be choking on the compile, screaming something about the source
it's trying to compile in its final moments.
 
 I have a few hypotheses:
 
 1) Derelict isn't Tango-compatible.  Move back to Phobos, compile Derelict,
move back to Tango.
 2) The sources dsss downloaded don't compile anyways.  Manually check out a
previous revision, or wait for someone to fix it.


 
 fromStringz is a function in the latest SVN of Tango.
 It called fromUtf8z in the 0.99.4 Tango "Frank" release.
 
 dsss net install generally downloads latest sources from dsource, so I 
 suspect what happened is that SVN Derelict has been fixed to work with 
 SVN tango, but you are using the release Tango.
 
 You can either get Tango from SVN and build it,
 Or you can maybe find a tarball of Derelict that's compatible with 
 0.99.4 tango and install that.


Hmm, I don't know.  The version file says it's a compatible version (I think.) 
It says version 0.995, which is >0.994, so it should work (right?)

excerpt from Version.d:

module tango.core.Version;

public const Tango = 0.995f;
Feb 19 2008
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doobnet gmail.com> writes:
Chris Miller wrote:

 Bill Baxter Wrote:
 

 Chris Miller wrote:

 Chris Miller Wrote:
 I attempted to install this stuff to a flash drive while at school.  It didn't
work on the derelict install.  I thought it was related to the weird nature of
the school machines, but when the error happened again at home... I knew
something was wrong.  During dsss net install derelict this happens:

 .. lots of stuff we don't care about ...
 Exported revision 282.
 Creating imports for DerelictUtil

 derelict => DerelictUtil
 + C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\ -IC:\dsss\include\d
-SC:\dsss
 \lib\  -IC:\dsss\include\d -SC:\dsss\lib  -oqdsss_objs\D  -explicit -lib
derelic
 t\util\exception.d derelict\util\loader.d derelict\util\wintypes.d
derelict\util
 \wrapper.d -ofDerelictUtil.lib
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: undefined identifier fromStringz
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: function expected before (), not
fromStringz
  of type int
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: cannot implicitly convert expression
(fromSt
 ringz(cstr)) of type int to char[]
 Command C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe returned with code 1, aborting.
 Error: Command failed, aborting.

 It seems to be choking on the compile, screaming something about the source
it's trying to compile in its final moments.

 I have a few hypotheses:

 1) Derelict isn't Tango-compatible.  Move back to Phobos, compile Derelict,
move back to Tango.
 2) The sources dsss downloaded don't compile anyways.  Manually check out a
previous revision, or wait for someone to fix it.


 fromStringz is a function in the latest SVN of Tango.
 It called fromUtf8z in the 0.99.4 Tango "Frank" release.

 dsss net install generally downloads latest sources from dsource, so I 
 suspect what happened is that SVN Derelict has been fixed to work with 
 SVN tango, but you are using the release Tango.

 You can either get Tango from SVN and build it,
 Or you can maybe find a tarball of Derelict that's compatible with 
 0.99.4 tango and install that.


 
 Hmm, I don't know.  The version file says it's a compatible version (I think.)
 It says version 0.995, which is >0.994, so it should work (right?)
 
 excerpt from Version.d:
 
 module tango.core.Version;
 
 public const Tango = 0.995f;
 


I think you have an old version of tango where they haven't changed to 
fromStringz yet. As far as I know Tango 0.99.5 hasn't been released yet 
but I've heard it will be soon. You can download the svn trunk, I 
usually don't recompile the library I just replace the source files, I 
think it should be enough.
Feb 20 2008
parent reply Chris Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Jacob Carlborg Wrote:


 Chris Miller wrote:

 Bill Baxter Wrote:
 

 Chris Miller wrote:

 Chris Miller Wrote:
 I attempted to install this stuff to a flash drive while at school.  It didn't
work on the derelict install.  I thought it was related to the weird nature of
the school machines, but when the error happened again at home... I knew
something was wrong.  During dsss net install derelict this happens:

 .. lots of stuff we don't care about ...
 Exported revision 282.
 Creating imports for DerelictUtil

 derelict => DerelictUtil
 + C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\ -IC:\dsss\include\d
-SC:\dsss
 \lib\  -IC:\dsss\include\d -SC:\dsss\lib  -oqdsss_objs\D  -explicit -lib
derelic
 t\util\exception.d derelict\util\loader.d derelict\util\wintypes.d
derelict\util
 \wrapper.d -ofDerelictUtil.lib
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: undefined identifier fromStringz
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: function expected before (), not
fromStringz
  of type int
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: cannot implicitly convert expression
(fromSt
 ringz(cstr)) of type int to char[]
 Command C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe returned with code 1, aborting.
 Error: Command failed, aborting.

 It seems to be choking on the compile, screaming something about the source
it's trying to compile in its final moments.

 I have a few hypotheses:

 1) Derelict isn't Tango-compatible.  Move back to Phobos, compile Derelict,
move back to Tango.
 2) The sources dsss downloaded don't compile anyways.  Manually check out a
previous revision, or wait for someone to fix it.


 fromStringz is a function in the latest SVN of Tango.
 It called fromUtf8z in the 0.99.4 Tango "Frank" release.

 dsss net install generally downloads latest sources from dsource, so I 
 suspect what happened is that SVN Derelict has been fixed to work with 
 SVN tango, but you are using the release Tango.

 You can either get Tango from SVN and build it,
 Or you can maybe find a tarball of Derelict that's compatible with 
 0.99.4 tango and install that.


 
 Hmm, I don't know.  The version file says it's a compatible version (I think.)
 It says version 0.995, which is >0.994, so it should work (right?)
 
 excerpt from Version.d:
 
 module tango.core.Version;
 
 public const Tango = 0.995f;
 


 
 I think you have an old version of tango where they haven't changed to 
 fromStringz yet. As far as I know Tango 0.99.5 hasn't been released yet 
 but I've heard it will be soon. You can download the svn trunk, I 
 usually don't recompile the library I just replace the source files, I 
 think it should be enough.


I downloaded this:
http://downloads.dsource.org/projects/tango/snapshots/tango-bin-win32-CURRENT-dmd.1.025.zip
Which is the fourth link down on this page:
http://dsource.org/projects/tango/wiki/DmdDownloads
Which I got to from here:
http://dsource.org/projects/tango/wiki/Download
From the "Get Tango" box here:
http://dsource.org/projects/tango

So you think it may be that that binaries aren't the right version, and that I
should install Tango through DSSS?  Didn't someone say that installing Tango
through DSSS was unreliable?

Furthermore, if I install Tango through DSSS (dsss net install tango), how will
I force it to use the DSSS installation and not the Tango already in :\dmd? 
Will the DSSS installation take precedence over the :\dmd version by default? 
Should I change some configuration settings in :\dsss?

Getting scared and running back to Java isn't an option for me anymore, so you
may be stuck with me ;)  After the Fibers in Tango I get real excited and
thought "wow, this is the language for me!"  Fibers reminded me of the Python
Generators I read about elsewhere.

Thanks for your help, hopefully we can figure out the problem and fix it.  At
which point someone should update the page on Wiki4D or something...
Feb 20 2008
parent reply Jesse Phillips <jessekphillips gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:36:42 -0500, Chris Miller wrote:


 Jacob Carlborg Wrote:
 

 Chris Miller wrote:

 Bill Baxter Wrote:
 

 Chris Miller wrote:

 Chris Miller Wrote:
 I attempted to install this stuff to a flash drive while at school.
  It didn't work on the derelict install.  I thought it was related
 to the weird nature of the school machines, but when the error
 happened again at home... I knew something was wrong.  During dsss
 net install derelict this happens:

 .. lots of stuff we don't care about ... Exported revision 282.
 Creating imports for DerelictUtil

 derelict => DerelictUtil
 + C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\
 -IC:\dsss\include\d -SC:\dsss \lib\  -IC:\dsss\include\d
 -SC:\dsss\lib  -oqdsss_objs\D  -explicit -lib derelic
 t\util\exception.d derelict\util\loader.d derelict\util\wintypes.d
 derelict\util \wrapper.d -ofDerelictUtil.lib
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: undefined identifier
 fromStringz derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: function expected
 before (), not fromStringz
  of type int
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: cannot implicitly convert
 expression (fromSt ringz(cstr)) of type int to char[]
 Command C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe returned with code 1, aborting.
 Error: Command failed, aborting.

 It seems to be choking on the compile, screaming something about
 the source it's trying to compile in its final moments.

 I have a few hypotheses:

 1) Derelict isn't Tango-compatible.  Move back to Phobos, compile
 Derelict, move back to Tango. 2) The sources dsss downloaded don't
 compile anyways.  Manually check out a previous revision, or wait
 for someone to fix it.


 fromStringz is a function in the latest SVN of Tango. It called
 fromUtf8z in the 0.99.4 Tango "Frank" release.

 dsss net install generally downloads latest sources from dsource, so
 I suspect what happened is that SVN Derelict has been fixed to work
 with SVN tango, but you are using the release Tango.

 You can either get Tango from SVN and build it, Or you can maybe
 find a tarball of Derelict that's compatible with 0.99.4 tango and
 install that.


 
 Hmm, I don't know.  The version file says it's a compatible version
 (I think.)  It says version 0.995, which is >0.994, so it should work
 (right?)
 
 excerpt from Version.d:
 
 module tango.core.Version;
 
 public const Tango = 0.995f;
 
 


 I think you have an old version of tango where they haven't changed to
 fromStringz yet. As far as I know Tango 0.99.5 hasn't been released yet
 but I've heard it will be soon. You can download the svn trunk, I
 usually don't recompile the library I just replace the source files, I
 think it should be enough.


 
 I downloaded this:
 http://downloads.dsource.org/projects/tango/snapshots/tango-bin-win32-


CURRENT-dmd.1.025.zip

 Which is the fourth link down on this page:
 http://dsource.org/projects/tango/wiki/DmdDownloads Which I got to from
 here:
 http://dsource.org/projects/tango/wiki/Download From the "Get Tango" box
 here:
 http://dsource.org/projects/tango
 
 So you think it may be that that binaries aren't the right version, and
 that I should install Tango through DSSS?  Didn't someone say that
 installing Tango through DSSS was unreliable?
 
 Furthermore, if I install Tango through DSSS (dsss net install tango),
 how will I force it to use the DSSS installation and not the Tango
 already in :\dmd?  Will the DSSS installation take precedence over the
 :\dmd version by default?  Should I change some configuration settings
 in :\dsss?
 
 Getting scared and running back to Java isn't an option for me anymore,
 so you may be stuck with me ;)  After the Fibers in Tango I get real
 excited and thought "wow, this is the language for me!"  Fibers reminded
 me of the Python Generators I read about elsewhere.
 
 Thanks for your help, hopefully we can figure out the problem and fix
 it.  At which point someone should update the page on Wiki4D or
 something...


I don't really have suggestions, couldn't exactly follow what was being 
asked or tried, but I'll see if I can explain some things.

DSSS builds against Phobos thus you can not install the Tango-dmd bundle 
and then compile DSSS.

"Furthermore, if I install Tango through DSSS (dsss net install tango), 
how will I force it to use the DSSS installation and not the Tango 
already in :\dmd?"

This question really has me lost, I think you have some misunderstanding. 
DSSS is a build tool that uses dmd, Tango is a run-time library for dmd 
to link in. Thus you should be able to use DSSS, Tango and DMD as one big 
happy family. I've never installed Tango with dsss netinstall nor have I 
installed either in windows.

Hope I clarified something.
Feb 20 2008
parent Chris Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Jesse Phillips Wrote:


 On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:36:42 -0500, Chris Miller wrote:
 

 Jacob Carlborg Wrote:
 

 Chris Miller wrote:

 Bill Baxter Wrote:
 

 Chris Miller wrote:

 Chris Miller Wrote:
 I attempted to install this stuff to a flash drive while at school.
  It didn't work on the derelict install.  I thought it was related
 to the weird nature of the school machines, but when the error
 happened again at home... I knew something was wrong.  During dsss
 net install derelict this happens:

 .. lots of stuff we don't care about ... Exported revision 282.
 Creating imports for DerelictUtil

 derelict => DerelictUtil
 + C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\
 -IC:\dsss\include\d -SC:\dsss \lib\  -IC:\dsss\include\d
 -SC:\dsss\lib  -oqdsss_objs\D  -explicit -lib derelic
 t\util\exception.d derelict\util\loader.d derelict\util\wintypes.d
 derelict\util \wrapper.d -ofDerelictUtil.lib
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: undefined identifier
 fromStringz derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: function expected
 before (), not fromStringz
  of type int
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: cannot implicitly convert
 expression (fromSt ringz(cstr)) of type int to char[]
 Command C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe returned with code 1, aborting.
 Error: Command failed, aborting.

 It seems to be choking on the compile, screaming something about
 the source it's trying to compile in its final moments.

 I have a few hypotheses:

 1) Derelict isn't Tango-compatible.  Move back to Phobos, compile
 Derelict, move back to Tango. 2) The sources dsss downloaded don't
 compile anyways.  Manually check out a previous revision, or wait
 for someone to fix it.


 fromStringz is a function in the latest SVN of Tango. It called
 fromUtf8z in the 0.99.4 Tango "Frank" release.

 dsss net install generally downloads latest sources from dsource, so
 I suspect what happened is that SVN Derelict has been fixed to work
 with SVN tango, but you are using the release Tango.

 You can either get Tango from SVN and build it, Or you can maybe
 find a tarball of Derelict that's compatible with 0.99.4 tango and
 install that.


 
 Hmm, I don't know.  The version file says it's a compatible version
 (I think.)  It says version 0.995, which is >0.994, so it should work
 (right?)
 
 excerpt from Version.d:
 
 module tango.core.Version;
 
 public const Tango = 0.995f;
 
 


 I think you have an old version of tango where they haven't changed to
 fromStringz yet. As far as I know Tango 0.99.5 hasn't been released yet
 but I've heard it will be soon. You can download the svn trunk, I
 usually don't recompile the library I just replace the source files, I
 think it should be enough.


 
 I downloaded this:
 http://downloads.dsource.org/projects/tango/snapshots/tango-bin-win32-


 CURRENT-dmd.1.025.zip

 Which is the fourth link down on this page:
 http://dsource.org/projects/tango/wiki/DmdDownloads Which I got to from
 here:
 http://dsource.org/projects/tango/wiki/Download From the "Get Tango" box
 here:
 http://dsource.org/projects/tango
 
 So you think it may be that that binaries aren't the right version, and
 that I should install Tango through DSSS?  Didn't someone say that
 installing Tango through DSSS was unreliable?
 
 Furthermore, if I install Tango through DSSS (dsss net install tango),
 how will I force it to use the DSSS installation and not the Tango
 already in :\dmd?  Will the DSSS installation take precedence over the
 :\dmd version by default?  Should I change some configuration settings
 in :\dsss?
 
 Getting scared and running back to Java isn't an option for me anymore,
 so you may be stuck with me ;)  After the Fibers in Tango I get real
 excited and thought "wow, this is the language for me!"  Fibers reminded
 me of the Python Generators I read about elsewhere.
 
 Thanks for your help, hopefully we can figure out the problem and fix
 it.  At which point someone should update the page on Wiki4D or
 something...


 
 I don't really have suggestions, couldn't exactly follow what was being 
 asked or tried, but I'll see if I can explain some things.
 
 DSSS builds against Phobos thus you can not install the Tango-dmd bundle 
 and then compile DSSS.


I never tried building DSSS.


 "Furthermore, if I install Tango through DSSS (dsss net install tango), 
 how will I force it to use the DSSS installation and not the Tango 
 already in :\dmd?"


Wouldn't it build a version of Tango and stick that in \dsss\import or
something?


 This question really has me lost, I think you have some misunderstanding. 
 DSSS is a build tool that uses dmd, Tango is a run-time library for dmd 
 to link in. Thus you should be able to use DSSS, Tango and DMD as one big 
 happy family. I've never installed Tango with dsss netinstall nor have I 
 installed either in windows.


I wouldn't suggest trying much of anything in Windows except for fdisk c:

I try to stick with Linux, but there does come a time when it's necessary to
make it work on Windows.
Feb 20 2008
prev sibling parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron71 yahoo.com> writes:
Bill Baxter wrote:

 Chris Miller wrote:

 Chris Miller Wrote:


 Jacob Carlborg Wrote:


 Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to 
 install D.  Much of it is because of my library choices, but I 
 don't have a choice as to what libraries I need.

 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my 
 Windows Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really 
 care.  My biggest problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and 
 DDBI.  I've totally given up on finding an IDE by now.

 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones 
 on digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The 
 DInstaller project hasn't been good, since it installs everything 
 to somewhere I can't find.  I got DSSS working once, which was 
 nice...  but then when I tried to build a helloworld.d file it 
 didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be building 
 larger projects with).

 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, 
 though it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.

 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or 
 help you can give!


 I have previously written two installation guides

 D, DSSS, Tango and Derelict - 
 http://www.gravitygame.se/denvironment.rhtml


 That's exactly the kind of tutorial I've been looking for!

 Unfortunately I'm not at my workstation (using my Ubuntu Linux laptop 
 ATM) so I'll have to take another whack at this when I get home.


 I attempted to install this stuff to a flash drive while at school.  
 It didn't work on the derelict install.  I thought it was related to 
 the weird nature of the school machines, but when the error happened 
 again at home... I knew something was wrong.  During dsss net install 
 derelict this happens:

 .. lots of stuff we don't care about ...
 Exported revision 282.
 Creating imports for DerelictUtil

 derelict => DerelictUtil
 + C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\ -IC:\dsss\include\d 
 -SC:\dsss
 \lib\  -IC:\dsss\include\d -SC:\dsss\lib  -oqdsss_objs\D  -explicit 
 -lib derelic
 t\util\exception.d derelict\util\loader.d derelict\util\wintypes.d 
 derelict\util
 \wrapper.d -ofDerelictUtil.lib
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: undefined identifier fromStringz
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: function expected before (), not 
 fromStringz
  of type int
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: cannot implicitly convert 
 expression (fromSt
 ringz(cstr)) of type int to char[]
 Command C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe returned with code 1, aborting.
 Error: Command failed, aborting.

 It seems to be choking on the compile, screaming something about the 
 source it's trying to compile in its final moments.

 I have a few hypotheses:

 1) Derelict isn't Tango-compatible.  Move back to Phobos, compile 
 Derelict, move back to Tango.
 2) The sources dsss downloaded don't compile anyways.  Manually check 
 out a previous revision, or wait for someone to fix it.





 
 fromStringz is a function in the latest SVN of Tango.
 It called fromUtf8z in the 0.99.4 Tango "Frank" release.
 
 dsss net install generally downloads latest sources from dsource, so I 
 suspect what happened is that SVN Derelict has been fixed to work with 
 SVN tango, but you are using the release Tango.
 
 You can either get Tango from SVN and build it,
 Or you can maybe find a tarball of Derelict that's compatible with 
 0.99.4 tango and install that.
 
 --bb


I recently, as in a week or so ago, updated the Derelict trunk with a 
fix that allows it to work with both the current Tango release and the 
current trunk. I tested 'dsss net install derelict' with the current 
Tango release (i.e. the one with fromUTF8z rather than fromStringz, 
which Crhis appears to be using) and it worked fine.

Chris, I suggest you uninstall Derelict (dsss uninstall derelict) and 
then pull it down again with a net install to make sure you have the 
latest trunk.
Feb 20 2008
parent reply Chris Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Mike Parker Wrote:


 Bill Baxter wrote:

 Chris Miller wrote:

 Chris Miller Wrote:


 Jacob Carlborg Wrote:


 Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to 
 install D.  Much of it is because of my library choices, but I 
 don't have a choice as to what libraries I need.

 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my 
 Windows Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really 
 care.  My biggest problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and 
 DDBI.  I've totally given up on finding an IDE by now.

 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones 
 on digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The 
 DInstaller project hasn't been good, since it installs everything 
 to somewhere I can't find.  I got DSSS working once, which was 
 nice...  but then when I tried to build a helloworld.d file it 
 didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be building 
 larger projects with).

 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, 
 though it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.

 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or 
 help you can give!


 I have previously written two installation guides

 D, DSSS, Tango and Derelict - 
 http://www.gravitygame.se/denvironment.rhtml


 That's exactly the kind of tutorial I've been looking for!

 Unfortunately I'm not at my workstation (using my Ubuntu Linux laptop 
 ATM) so I'll have to take another whack at this when I get home.


 I attempted to install this stuff to a flash drive while at school.  
 It didn't work on the derelict install.  I thought it was related to 
 the weird nature of the school machines, but when the error happened 
 again at home... I knew something was wrong.  During dsss net install 
 derelict this happens:

 .. lots of stuff we don't care about ...
 Exported revision 282.
 Creating imports for DerelictUtil

 derelict => DerelictUtil
 + C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\ -IC:\dsss\include\d 
 -SC:\dsss
 \lib\  -IC:\dsss\include\d -SC:\dsss\lib  -oqdsss_objs\D  -explicit 
 -lib derelic
 t\util\exception.d derelict\util\loader.d derelict\util\wintypes.d 
 derelict\util
 \wrapper.d -ofDerelictUtil.lib
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: undefined identifier fromStringz
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: function expected before (), not 
 fromStringz
  of type int
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: cannot implicitly convert 
 expression (fromSt
 ringz(cstr)) of type int to char[]
 Command C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe returned with code 1, aborting.
 Error: Command failed, aborting.

 It seems to be choking on the compile, screaming something about the 
 source it's trying to compile in its final moments.

 I have a few hypotheses:

 1) Derelict isn't Tango-compatible.  Move back to Phobos, compile 
 Derelict, move back to Tango.
 2) The sources dsss downloaded don't compile anyways.  Manually check 
 out a previous revision, or wait for someone to fix it.




 

 
 fromStringz is a function in the latest SVN of Tango.
 It called fromUtf8z in the 0.99.4 Tango "Frank" release.
 
 dsss net install generally downloads latest sources from dsource, so I 
 suspect what happened is that SVN Derelict has been fixed to work with 
 SVN tango, but you are using the release Tango.
 
 You can either get Tango from SVN and build it,
 Or you can maybe find a tarball of Derelict that's compatible with 
 0.99.4 tango and install that.
 
 --bb


 
 I recently, as in a week or so ago, updated the Derelict trunk with a 
 fix that allows it to work with both the current Tango release and the 
 current trunk. I tested 'dsss net install derelict' with the current 
 Tango release (i.e. the one with fromUTF8z rather than fromStringz, 
 which Crhis appears to be using) and it worked fine.


I don't see how that can happen.  I'm using a fresh install of DSSS, which
should have pulled the Derelict trunk out.


 Chris, I suggest you uninstall Derelict (dsss uninstall derelict) and 
 then pull it down again with a net install to make sure you have the 
 latest trunk.


I'll try that right away and let you know.
Feb 20 2008
parent reply Chris Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Chris Miller Wrote:


 Mike Parker Wrote:
 

 Bill Baxter wrote:

 Chris Miller wrote:

 Chris Miller Wrote:


 Jacob Carlborg Wrote:


 Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to 
 install D.  Much of it is because of my library choices, but I 
 don't have a choice as to what libraries I need.

 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my 
 Windows Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really 
 care.  My biggest problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and 
 DDBI.  I've totally given up on finding an IDE by now.

 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones 
 on digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The 
 DInstaller project hasn't been good, since it installs everything 
 to somewhere I can't find.  I got DSSS working once, which was 
 nice...  but then when I tried to build a helloworld.d file it 
 didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be building 
 larger projects with).

 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, 
 though it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.

 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or 
 help you can give!


 I have previously written two installation guides

 D, DSSS, Tango and Derelict - 
 http://www.gravitygame.se/denvironment.rhtml


 That's exactly the kind of tutorial I've been looking for!

 Unfortunately I'm not at my workstation (using my Ubuntu Linux laptop 
 ATM) so I'll have to take another whack at this when I get home.


 I attempted to install this stuff to a flash drive while at school.  
 It didn't work on the derelict install.  I thought it was related to 
 the weird nature of the school machines, but when the error happened 
 again at home... I knew something was wrong.  During dsss net install 
 derelict this happens:

 .. lots of stuff we don't care about ...
 Exported revision 282.
 Creating imports for DerelictUtil

 derelict => DerelictUtil
 + C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\ -IC:\dsss\include\d 
 -SC:\dsss
 \lib\  -IC:\dsss\include\d -SC:\dsss\lib  -oqdsss_objs\D  -explicit 
 -lib derelic
 t\util\exception.d derelict\util\loader.d derelict\util\wintypes.d 
 derelict\util
 \wrapper.d -ofDerelictUtil.lib
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: undefined identifier fromStringz
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: function expected before (), not 
 fromStringz
  of type int
 derelict\util\wrapper.d(71): Error: cannot implicitly convert 
 expression (fromSt
 ringz(cstr)) of type int to char[]
 Command C:\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe returned with code 1, aborting.
 Error: Command failed, aborting.

 It seems to be choking on the compile, screaming something about the 
 source it's trying to compile in its final moments.

 I have a few hypotheses:

 1) Derelict isn't Tango-compatible.  Move back to Phobos, compile 
 Derelict, move back to Tango.
 2) The sources dsss downloaded don't compile anyways.  Manually check 
 out a previous revision, or wait for someone to fix it.




 

 
 fromStringz is a function in the latest SVN of Tango.
 It called fromUtf8z in the 0.99.4 Tango "Frank" release.
 
 dsss net install generally downloads latest sources from dsource, so I 
 suspect what happened is that SVN Derelict has been fixed to work with 
 SVN tango, but you are using the release Tango.
 
 You can either get Tango from SVN and build it,
 Or you can maybe find a tarball of Derelict that's compatible with 
 0.99.4 tango and install that.
 
 --bb


 
 I recently, as in a week or so ago, updated the Derelict trunk with a 
 fix that allows it to work with both the current Tango release and the 
 current trunk. I tested 'dsss net install derelict' with the current 
 Tango release (i.e. the one with fromUTF8z rather than fromStringz, 
 which Crhis appears to be using) and it worked fine.


 
 I don't see how that can happen.  I'm using a fresh install of DSSS, which
should have pulled the Derelict trunk out.
 

 Chris, I suggest you uninstall Derelict (dsss uninstall derelict) and 
 then pull it down again with a net install to make sure you have the 
 latest trunk.


 
 I'll try that right away and let you know.


Nope, it says that Derelict isn't installed.  It checks out the sources again
when I tried to install again.

I'm using the dsource mirror for DSSS, by the way.

I'm going to try installing Tango a la DSSS, then see if Derelict works.

I'll keep you posted in any event.
Feb 20 2008
parent Chris Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Chris Miller Wrote:

 I'm using the dsource mirror for DSSS, by the way.
 
 I'm going to try installing Tango a la DSSS, then see if Derelict works.
 
 I'll keep you posted in any event.


What transpired was really quite interesting, so I'll document it in order.

1) Tried dsss net install derelict.  It did not work because of the
aforementioned string issue

2) Tried dsss uninstall derelict.  It said derelict was not installed.

3) Tried dsss net install tango.  It installed fine, but I didn't notice a
message complaining of a missing Exception.d file.

4) Tried dsss net install derelict.  It worked this time (go figure!).

5) Tried this example to test the system:
import derelict.opengl.gl;
	import tango.io.Stdout;

	void main()
	{
		try
		{
			DerelictGL.load();
			Stdout("Successfully loaded the OpenGL shared library.").newline;
		}

		catch (Exception e)
			Stdout("Could not load the OpenGL shared library.").newline;
	}
It didn't work because of the missing Example.d file.  To build it I used "dsss
build gl_test.d" though I also tried "rebuild gl_test.d" wondering if that
would get different results (it didn't).

6) Considered playing a video game to take my mind off of the problem so that
perhaps I'd attack it from a new angle next go around.

7) Didn't have any sufficiently interesting games installed (sorta why I'm
building one).

8) Realized that there wasn't anything in my setup that couldn't be
regenerated.  Fire-and-forget mode now activated.

9) Downloaded the current release of Tango/DMD
(http://downloads.dsource.org/projects/tango/0.99.4/tango-0.99.4-bin-
in32-dmd.1.024.zip) and unzipped it to \dmd, overwrote all files.

10) Tried to build the example file again.  Worked just fine.

11) Ran the example file.  Worked just fine.

So now I have these:
o Digital Mars D Compiler version 1.024
o Tango version 0.994
o Derelict
o DDBI

Which leaves only DWT off the list.  Assuming I follow the DWT-win instructions
to the letter, I should get a working system, right?

At which point I'm planning on zipping the whole mess up and waiting until
everything in the above list is available through DSSS :)
Feb 20 2008
prev sibling parent reply Clay Smith <clayasaurus gmail.com> writes:
Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to install D. 
Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't have a choice as to
what libraries I need.
 
 I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my Windows
Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really care.  My biggest
problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.  I've totally given up on
finding an IDE by now.
 
 I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones on
digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller project
hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I can't find.  I
got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then when I tried to build a
helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using rebuild, which is what I would be
building larger projects with).
 
 I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like, though
it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.
 
 Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help you can
give!


Here's what I do.

1) Install DMD and DMC from the .zip (DMC unzip first) as per 
instructions on the web.

2) Install latest stable tango release from the .zip on their page, 
overwrite necessary files. Tango is now installed.

3) Set up DSSS by unzipping in D:\dsss

4) Learn how to add dsss.exe, dmd.exe, dmc.exe to your PATH

5) Learn how to create dsss .conf files

6) Install ddbg, add to PATH http://ddbg.mainia.de/doc.html

7) Use 'cmd' prompt, type 'dsss build' to build your software. For an 
editor, I like DScite.

8) You should be good to go.
Feb 19 2008
parent naryl <cy ngs.ru> writes:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:21:33 +0300, Clay Smith <clayasaurus gmail.com>  
wrote:


 Chris Miller wrote:

 I've been having some major issues for a long while now trying to  
 install D.  Much of it is because of my library choices, but I don't  
 have a choice as to what libraries I need.
  I've been working to try and get a working installation of D on my  
 Windows Vista workstation.  Whether it's DMD or GDC I don't really  
 care.  My biggest problem is that I need Tango, Derelect, and DDBI.   
 I've totally given up on finding an IDE by now.
  I've been following the instructions online to the letter (the ones on  
 digitalmars.com) and they keep throwing me grief.  The DInstaller  
 project hasn't been good, since it installs everything to somewhere I  
 can't find.  I got DSSS working once, which was nice...  but then when  
 I tried to build a helloworld.d file it didn't work (tried using  
 rebuild, which is what I would be building larger projects with).
  I can provide further documentation of what I've tried if you like,  
 though it's really just me hitting wall after wall after wall.
  Thanks for your time, and thanks in advance for any pointers or help  
 you can give!


 Here's what I do.

 1) Install DMD and DMC from the .zip (DMC unzip first) as per  
 instructions on the web.

 2) Install latest stable tango release from the .zip on their page,  
 overwrite necessary files. Tango is now installed.

 3) Set up DSSS by unzipping in D:\dsss

 4) Learn how to add dsss.exe, dmd.exe, dmc.exe to your PATH

 5) Learn how to create dsss .conf files

 6) Install ddbg, add to PATH http://ddbg.mainia.de/doc.html

 7) Use 'cmd' prompt, type 'dsss build' to build your software. For an  
 editor, I like DScite.

 8) You should be good to go.


I've got weird link errors when I installed tango w/ tangobos and DMD  
separately. And the only way to make tangobos work was to install  
everything with DSSS. Except the latest DMD of course.
Feb 20 2008