digitalmars.D.learn - IMAP library
- Laeeth Isharc (10/10) Apr 10 2015 Started working on a simple one. It's not exactly rocket
- Jens Bauer (20/31) Apr 10 2015 Simple is good.
- Laeeth Isharc (15/30) Apr 11 2015 Yes - nice to know it can do that also. For me I need to have a
- Jens Bauer (20/30) Apr 12 2015 I won't say it's impossible, but it would be cumbersome
- Laeeth Isharc (23/42) Apr 12 2015 I do miss the days of having to work within very real hardware
- Johannes Pfau (4/15) Apr 13 2015 There are HTTP servers for AVR(8bit) devices, so it should be possible.
- Jens Bauer (10/16) Apr 13 2015 That's absolutely true, but usually they're very simple.
- Laeeth Isharc (5/24) Apr 13 2015 I am reminded of the constraints from these days:
- Jens Bauer (7/9) Apr 14 2015 Those were the days. I wrote my own BBS for Atari ST in 1988
- D Denizen since a year (3/13) Apr 14 2015 Come the next Carrington event, and we'll be running fidonet over
- Adam D. Ruppe (4/4) Apr 13 2015 You might like my email.d too
- Laeeth Isharc (4/8) Apr 13 2015 Thanks, Adam. Was just thinking earlier today that I should
- Jens Bauer (4/8) Apr 14 2015 This looks very nice. I did not find any dot stuffing in there;
Started working on a simple one. It's not exactly rocket science, but a bit fiddly. Need to have some way of manipulating email in D though. Is async important (so you can pipeline commands) and also multiple threads ? Or is a simple enough version useful as a start? If async (ie pipelining and registering callbacks to watch state) is important, is it okay to use vibed? Or better not have the dependency. The other aspect is mime. Have ported headers for GMime but still nee to write the high level wrappers.
Apr 10 2015
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 19:59:49 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:Started working on a simple one.Sounds very good to me. :)It's not exactly rocket science, but a bit fiddly.Simple is good.Need to have some way of manipulating email in D though.I agree. This would especially be cool, if you can do it from a small device like a microcontroller!Is async important (so you can pipeline commands) and also multiple threads ?To me, multiple threads are not important, because on simple microcontrollers, threads are usually not available. If one needs threads, some kind of operating system with a context-switcher is required.Or is a simple enough version useful as a start?I'd say "Simple is good". ;)If async (ie pipelining and registering callbacks to watch state) is important, is it okay to use vibed? Or better not have the dependency.Could the extra bells and whistles be optional, eg. basic functionality in a base class (eh), and then a subclass provide some more dazzling implementation ?The other aspect is mime. Have ported headers for GMime but still nee to write the high level wrappers.Hmm. Personally I hate MIME, but I guess they're necessary. :P Your work sounds very promising, I look forward to hearing more about your progress. -And please know that my opinions are just opinions; I may be right (if I'm lucky), but I don't want to restrict you in any way. Other developers in here probably have some very good input on this as well.
Apr 10 2015
Yes - nice to know it can do that also. For me I need to have a way of managing large amounts of email (I have about 2mm messages) including for natural language processing etc. Dovecot/sieve + pipe facility is ok, but not perfect for everything. I guess it should work fine for regular ARM etc - perhaps not an Arduino!Need to have some way of manipulating email in D though.I agree. This would especially be cool, if you can do it from a small device like a microcontroller!Could the extra bells and whistles be optional, eg. basic functionality in a base class (eh), and then a subclass provide some more dazzling implementation ?Yes - don't think I will have time to do the async aspect in near future, in any case.Yes x2.The other aspect is mime. Have ported headers for GMime but still nee to write the high level wrappers.Hmm. Personally I hate MIME, but I guess they're necessary. :PYour work sounds very promising, I look forward to hearing more about your progress.Understand. Have a few other things on the boil, and also constrained in how much time I can spend for various reasons. So don't plan or expect on it being finished soon, although I hope it might be.-And please know that my opinions are just opinions; I may be right (if I'm lucky), but I don't want to restrict you in any way. Other developers in here probably have some very good input on this as well.Understand, and thanks for the engagement. Laeeth.
Apr 11 2015
On Saturday, 11 April 2015 at 22:45:39 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:Yes - nice to know it can do that also. For me I need to have a way of managing large amounts of email (I have about 2mm messages) including for natural language processing etc. Dovecot/sieve + pipe facility is ok, but not perfect for everything. I guess it should work fine for regular ARM etc - perhaps not an Arduino!I won't say it's impossible, but it would be cumbersome processing email on an AVR. But there are Arduino using ARM Cortex-M microcontrollers too. I can mention a couple of microcontrollers that have ethernet support (eg. they need a PHY of your choice and for instance a HanRun ethernet connector) - Examples are STM32F4xx from ST-Microelectronics and LPC1758/LPC1768/LPC1769/LPC177x/LPC178x/LPC43xx from NXP. There are others from other vendors as well, but those above are quite popular and very easy to find as stand-alone chips or small evaluation boards. I find it particularly interesting to be able to send an email to a device, which can then process and do some simple things (eg. turn stuff on/off, send back the room temparature, etc.) - also a mail-robot would be quite interesting as a stand-alone "thing".Have a few other things on the boil, and also constrained in how much time I can spend for various reasons.I have the exact same problems. ;)So don't plan or expect on it being finished soon, although I hope it might be.It'll be ready when it's ready. When building in small steps, the job often gets easier. May you be successful with ease!
Apr 12 2015
"Laeeth Isharc" <nospamlaeeth nospam.laeeth.com> On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 17:27:32 UTC, Jens Bauer wrote:I won't say it's impossible, but it would be cumbersome processing email on an AVR.I do miss the days of having to work within very real hardware constraints to achieve something only just about achievable. But part of the joy goes out of it when you know that the constraint is artifical.But there are Arduino using ARM Cortex-M microcontrollers too.Yes - I meant this in a loose, everyday, form of speaking.I can mention a couple of microcontrollers that have ethernet support (eg. they need a PHY of your choice and for instance a HanRun ethernet connector) - Examples are STM32F4xx from ST-Microelectronics and LPC1758/LPC1768/LPC1769/LPC177x/LPC178x/LPC43xx from NXP. There are others from other vendors as well, but those above are quite popular and very easy to find as stand-alone chips or small evaluation boards.Tku - I have one of these modules lying around, but have not had time to hook it up yet and don't remember which one. We may not have been delivered the world of the Jetsons, but I am still occasionally astonished that what was only imagination in childhood is now almost too ordinary to be worth remarking on today. One aspect of embedded stuff I haven't seen people comment on is that even if D is not yet there for running for regular use on the controller, you still need to talk to it from the host or control unit, and I guess D can be quite useful there. Also for processing logs, and so on.I find it particularly interesting to be able to send an email to a device, which can then process and do some simple things (eg. turn stuff on/off, send back the room temparature, etc.) - also a mail-robot would be quite interesting as a stand-alone "thing".Yes - makes sense. (Reminded of an article on the supposed spam epidemic from networked 'toasters'). Email might not be the best protocol for this, but it is easy.It'll be ready when it's ready. When building in small steps, the job often gets easier. May you be successful with ease!Thank you! And v interesting what you are doing on the microcontroller side, too - and I hope that goes well. Laeeth
Apr 12 2015
Am Sun, 12 Apr 2015 17:27:31 +0000 schrieb "Jens Bauer" <doctor who.no>:On Saturday, 11 April 2015 at 22:45:39 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:There are HTTP servers for AVR(8bit) devices, so it should be possible. Doesn't mean it's a good idea though ;-)Yes - nice to know it can do that also. For me I need to have a way of managing large amounts of email (I have about 2mm messages) including for natural language processing etc. Dovecot/sieve + pipe facility is ok, but not perfect for everything. I guess it should work fine for regular ARM etc - perhaps not an Arduino!I won't say it's impossible, but it would be cumbersome processing email on an AVR.
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 14:31:56 UTC, Johannes Pfau wrote:Am Sun, 12 Apr 2015 17:27:31 +0000 schrieb "Jens Bauer" <doctor who.no>:That's absolutely true, but usually they're very simple. You can interface the AVR to an external SRAM or NOR-flash and thus store the entire email (or Web-page) there. But imagine that someone sends an email with an attachment - or just writes 50K of babbling. -That might be difficult if you have an AVR with only 8K RAM. It's much easier - and perhaps cheaper - to pick a Cortex-M, which has most of the things you need already; you can get ethernet PHYs for less than $2, which interfaces with a Cortex-M.I won't say it's impossible, but it would be cumbersome processing email on an AVR.There are HTTP servers for AVR(8bit) devices, so it should be possible.
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 18:03:12 UTC, Jens Bauer wrote:On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 14:31:56 UTC, Johannes Pfau wrote:I am reminded of the constraints from these days: http://www.abook.ru/dmk/FidoNet/unpublished/fhist.html My first 'open source' contribution was to a data structure in his BBS system a few years later.Am Sun, 12 Apr 2015 17:27:31 +0000 schrieb "Jens Bauer" <doctor who.no>:That's absolutely true, but usually they're very simple. You can interface the AVR to an external SRAM or NOR-flash and thus store the entire email (or Web-page) there. But imagine that someone sends an email with an attachment - or just writes 50K of babbling. -That might be difficult if you have an AVR with only 8K RAM. It's much easier - and perhaps cheaper - to pick a Cortex-M, which has most of the things you need already; you can get ethernet PHYs for less than $2, which interfaces with a Cortex-M.I won't say it's impossible, but it would be cumbersome processing email on an AVR.There are HTTP servers for AVR(8bit) devices, so it should be possible.
Apr 13 2015
On Tuesday, 14 April 2015 at 02:28:40 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:My first 'open source' contribution was to a data structure in his BBS system a few years later.Those were the days. I wrote my own BBS for Atari ST in 1988 (which was never released to the public) - and I started writing a mailer as well. Today noone is using those things anymore though. However, a microcontroller would probably be good for a BBS; it can easily connect to a modem. ;)
Apr 14 2015
On Tuesday, 14 April 2015 at 14:01:10 UTC, Jens Bauer wrote:On Tuesday, 14 April 2015 at 02:28:40 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:Come the next Carrington event, and we'll be running fidonet over mesh packet switching until everything is rebuilt ;)My first 'open source' contribution was to a data structure in his BBS system a few years later.Those were the days. I wrote my own BBS for Atari ST in 1988 (which was never released to the public) - and I started writing a mailer as well. Today noone is using those things anymore though. However, a microcontroller would probably be good for a BBS; it can easily connect to a modem. ;)
Apr 14 2015
You might like my email.d too https://github.com/adamdruppe/arsd/blob/master/email.d It is able to help construct emails and also read an mbox format - part of that code might help your imap library too.
Apr 13 2015
On Tuesday, 14 April 2015 at 02:31:23 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:You might like my email.d too https://github.com/adamdruppe/arsd/blob/master/email.d It is able to help construct emails and also read an mbox format - part of that code might help your imap library too.Thanks, Adam. Was just thinking earlier today that I should reread that code. Laeeth
Apr 13 2015
On Tuesday, 14 April 2015 at 02:31:23 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:You might like my email.d too https://github.com/adamdruppe/arsd/blob/master/email.d It is able to help construct emails and also read an mbox format - part of that code might help your imap library too.This looks very nice. I did not find any dot stuffing in there; maybe it would be a good idea to add this ? http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5321#section-4.5.2
Apr 14 2015