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digitalmars.D.learn - Back to Basics at DConf?

reply =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
I am considering proposing a presentation for DConf 2022.

Would a "Back to Basics" style presentation be interesting? If, so what 
exact topic would you like to see?

For ideas, here is what CppCon 2021 had on their track:

   https://cppcon2021.sched.com/?searchstring=Back+to+Basics

Ali
May 12 2022
next sibling parent reply forkit <forkit gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 21:58:33 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 I am considering proposing a presentation for DConf 2022.

 Would a "Back to Basics" style presentation be interesting? If, 
 so what exact topic would you like to see?

 For ideas, here is what CppCon 2021 had on their track:

   https://cppcon2021.sched.com/?searchstring=Back+to+Basics

 Ali


So...you want to do a talk that challenges D's complexity, by 
getting back to basics?

I'm afraid the ship has sailed :-(
May 12 2022
parent reply =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 5/12/22 18:56, forkit wrote:


 So...you want to do a talk that challenges D's complexity, by getting
 back to basics?


I wasn't thinking about challenging complexity but it gives me ideas.

I am looking for concrete topics like templates, classes, ranges, 
rvalues, etc. Are those interesting?

Ali
May 12 2022
next sibling parent reply Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= <ola.fosheim.grostad gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 03:31:53 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 On 5/12/22 18:56, forkit wrote:


 So...you want to do a talk that challenges D's complexity, by


 getting

 back to basics?


 I wasn't thinking about challenging complexity but it gives me 
 ideas.

 I am looking for concrete topics like templates, classes, 
 ranges, rvalues, etc. Are those interesting?


I suggest: patterns for  nogc allocation and where D is going 
with move semantics and reference counting.

Basically, where is D heading with  nogc?

Take each pattern from c++ and Rust and show the D counter part, 
with an objective analysis that covers pitfalls and areas that 
need more work.
May 12 2022
parent reply Tejas <notrealemail gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 04:19:26 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:

 On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 03:31:53 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 On 5/12/22 18:56, forkit wrote:


 So...you want to do a talk that challenges D's complexity, by


 getting

 back to basics?


 I wasn't thinking about challenging complexity but it gives me 
 ideas.

 I am looking for concrete topics like templates, classes, 
 ranges, rvalues, etc. Are those interesting?


 I suggest: patterns for  nogc allocation and where D is going 
 with move semantics and reference counting.

 Basically, where is D heading with  nogc?

 Take each pattern from c++ and Rust and show the D counter 
 part, with an objective analysis that covers pitfalls and areas 
 that need more work.


I feel that it'd be best if any video discussion/talk about move 
semantics happens _after_ [DIP 
1040](https://github.com/dlang/DIPs/blob/72f41cffe68ff1f2d4c033b5728ef37e282461dd/DIPs/DIP104
.md#initialization) is merged/rejected, so that the video doesn't become
irrelevan after only a few years.
May 12 2022
parent Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= <ola.fosheim.grostad gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 04:39:46 UTC, Tejas wrote:

 On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 04:19:26 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad 
 wrote:

 On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 03:31:53 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 On 5/12/22 18:56, forkit wrote:


 So...you want to do a talk that challenges D's complexity, 
 by


 getting

 back to basics?


 I wasn't thinking about challenging complexity but it gives 
 me ideas.

 I am looking for concrete topics like templates, classes, 
 ranges, rvalues, etc. Are those interesting?


 I suggest: patterns for  nogc allocation and where D is going 
 with move semantics and reference counting.

 Basically, where is D heading with  nogc?

 Take each pattern from c++ and Rust and show the D counter 
 part, with an objective analysis that covers pitfalls and 
 areas that need more work.


 I feel that it'd be best if any video discussion/talk about 
 move semantics happens _after_ [DIP 
 1040](https://github.com/dlang/DIPs/blob/72f41cffe68ff1f2d4c033b5728ef37e282461dd/DIPs/DIP104
.md#initialization) is merged/rejected, so that the video doesn't become
irrelevan after only a few years.


I think the purpose of conferences is to assess the current state 
and be forward looking. After 14 months I would expect Walter to 
know if it is going to be put to rest or not, so just email him I 
guess?
May 12 2022
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Tejas <notrealemail gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 03:31:53 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 On 5/12/22 18:56, forkit wrote:


 So...you want to do a talk that challenges D's complexity, by


 getting

 back to basics?


 I wasn't thinking about challenging complexity but it gives me 
 ideas.

 I am looking for concrete topics like templates, classes, 
 ranges, rvalues, etc. Are those interesting?

 Ali


DIP 1000 would be a good start :P

Or a presentation on ranges can also be good, considering how the 
de facto best online article on it(by HS Teoh) is from 2013
May 12 2022
parent =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 5/12/22 21:41, Tejas wrote:


 Or a presentation on ranges can also be good, considering how the de
 facto best online article on it(by HS Teoh) is from 2013


I think the best person to give that presentation would be its awesome 
author. ;)

Ali
May 12 2022
prev sibling parent forkit <forkit gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 03:31:53 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 On 5/12/22 18:56, forkit wrote:


 So...you want to do a talk that challenges D's complexity, by


 getting

 back to basics?


 I wasn't thinking about challenging complexity but it gives me 
 ideas.

 I am looking for concrete topics like templates, classes, 
 ranges, rvalues, etc. Are those interesting?

 Ali


Perhaps those are a little too basic for your intended audience 
(which is?)

My first objective when searching for a path towards a solution 
for a problem, is setting out to find valid methods to solve that 
problem, and then chosing the best method (based on whatever 
criteria is appropriate at the time).

So, perhaps a talk that focuses on comparing different methods 
for solving common computational tasks (e.g. search and decision 
problems), might be more valuable to your audience.
May 13 2022
prev sibling next sibling parent Salih Dincer <salihdb hotmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 21:58:33 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 I am considering proposing a presentation for DConf 2022.

 Would a "Back to Basics" style presentation be interesting? If, 
 so what exact topic would you like to see?


There was a book from my childhood. Its name is "Temel Basic", 
here it is 
https://www.nadirkitap.com/temel-basic-guzin-sagkan-tunc-gercek-kitap10256791.html

The interesting thing is that the meaning of the Turkish word 
(Temel) and the name of the language (Basic) are the same. In 
other words, one is Turkish, the other is English, but in the 
same place and in a different sense.

In summary, the basics are good. I don't like dependence at all. 
Simple things are beautiful...:)

SDB 79
May 12 2022
prev sibling next sibling parent zjh <fqbqrr 163.com> writes:
On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 21:58:33 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:


so what exact topic would you like to see?



May be you can talk about how to link `d` to`C++`. There are too 
few examples.
Or `D` how to link to `Rust`,etc.
I don't even read the `basics` of C++, which is boring.

And interested in the interaction between `d` and other 
languages, especially `C++`. I think it is very meaningful to do 
a good job in interfacing the library of `C++`.
May 13 2022
prev sibling parent reply Johan <j j.nl> writes:
On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 21:58:33 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 I am considering proposing a presentation for DConf 2022.

 Would a "Back to Basics" style presentation be interesting? If, 
 so what exact topic would you like to see?


Hey Ali,
   When I read "Back to basics" on a program language conference, 
I imagine Andrei presenting about some simple common task and 
then at 3/4 of the presentation there is an amazing trick that 
speeds it up by a factor 5, mind is blown and you remember why 
you like programming so much.

;-)
   Johan
May 13 2022
parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 03:43:09PM +0000, Johan via Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:

 On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 21:58:33 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 I am considering proposing a presentation for DConf 2022.
 
 Would a "Back to Basics" style presentation be interesting? If, so
 what exact topic would you like to see?


 
 Hey Ali,
   When I read "Back to basics" on a program language conference, I
 imagine Andrei presenting about some simple common task and then at
 3/4 of the presentation there is an amazing trick that speeds it up by
 a factor 5, mind is blown and you remember why you like programming so
 much.


[...]

My mental image of this is Ali presenting some simple common task, then
at 3/4 of the presentation there's an amazing trick that lets you write
it in D in 5 times less code than in other languages, and my mind is
blown and I remember why I love D so much. :-P


T

-- 
Long, long ago, the ancient Chinese invented a device that lets them see
through walls. It was called the "window".
May 13 2022
parent forkit <forkit gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 15:56:31 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:

 My mental image of this is Ali presenting some simple common 
 task, then at 3/4 of the presentation there's an amazing trick 
 that lets you write it in D in 5 times less code than in other 
 languages, and my mind is blown and I remember why I love D so 
 much. :-P


 T


perhaps someone should start a D version of this:

https://github.com/ruppysuppy/Daily-Coding-Problem-Solutions
May 13 2022