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digitalmars.D.learn - Walter - clarification required re attributes

reply Derek Parnell <derek nomail.afraid.org> writes:
Walter,
I am becoming increasingly anxious about the stability and dependability of
DMD and D, with respect to the protection attributes and storage-class
attributes. It appears that either the documentation, DMD or both are
wrong. There has been a flurry of recent discussion about these attributes,
and there is a history of such discussions too, but there is no resolution
yet. You are the only one that can resolve the issues that have been
presented but you are silent on this, and that is causing my anxiety. 

I felt that I didn't understand what you really wanted for D so I attempted
your documentation yet again. I ended up rewriting and reorganizing the
documentation to help me see your specification for D attributes, plus I
worked though many sample programs to test out DMD against the
specification. It would appear that DMD and its documentation are in
serious conflict with each other.

I submit my revised documentation here as a possible starting point for a
clearer picture and resolution of the issues.

You can view my docs online 

  http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/attr.html

and the files that they were generated from 

  http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/attr.d
  http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/style.css

These files are now in the public domain.

I am expecting that you will read and correct this documentation, and pass
back your findings to either me or the newsgroup.

-- 
Derek
(skype: derek.j.parnell)
Melbourne, Australia
"Down with mediocrity!"
27/06/2006 4:56:29 PM
Jun 27 2006
next sibling parent "Boris Wang" <nano.kago hotmail.com> writes:
Walter? Who is Walter? A kid like play hide-to-seek?

Sorry,just get up. :)

"Derek Parnell" <derek nomail.afraid.org> 
??????:1xf0m4urq2q9n.1xwrr4voyhwwk$.dlg 40tude.net...

 Walter,
 I am becoming increasingly anxious about the stability and dependability 
 of
 DMD and D, with respect to the protection attributes and storage-class
 attributes. It appears that either the documentation, DMD or both are
 wrong. There has been a flurry of recent discussion about these 
 attributes,
 and there is a history of such discussions too, but there is no resolution
 yet. You are the only one that can resolve the issues that have been
 presented but you are silent on this, and that is causing my anxiety.

 I felt that I didn't understand what you really wanted for D so I 
 attempted
 your documentation yet again. I ended up rewriting and reorganizing the
 documentation to help me see your specification for D attributes, plus I
 worked though many sample programs to test out DMD against the
 specification. It would appear that DMD and its documentation are in
 serious conflict with each other.

 I submit my revised documentation here as a possible starting point for a
 clearer picture and resolution of the issues.

 You can view my docs online

  http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/attr.html

 and the files that they were generated from

  http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/attr.d
  http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/style.css

 These files are now in the public domain.

 I am expecting that you will read and correct this documentation, and pass
 back your findings to either me or the newsgroup.

 -- 
 Derek
 (skype: derek.j.parnell)
 Melbourne, Australia
 "Down with mediocrity!"
 27/06/2006 4:56:29 PM
Jun 27 2006
prev sibling parent reply "Boris Wang" <nano.kago hotmail.com> writes:
Maybe, Walter find a good begin, but has no ability to reach the end.
Maybe,what we want is a d like language controled by myself, the programer.

"Derek Parnell" <derek nomail.afraid.org> 
??????:1xf0m4urq2q9n.1xwrr4voyhwwk$.dlg 40tude.net...

 Walter,
 I am becoming increasingly anxious about the stability and dependability 
 of
 DMD and D, with respect to the protection attributes and storage-class
 attributes. It appears that either the documentation, DMD or both are
 wrong. There has been a flurry of recent discussion about these 
 attributes,
 and there is a history of such discussions too, but there is no resolution
 yet. You are the only one that can resolve the issues that have been
 presented but you are silent on this, and that is causing my anxiety.

 I felt that I didn't understand what you really wanted for D so I 
 attempted
 your documentation yet again. I ended up rewriting and reorganizing the
 documentation to help me see your specification for D attributes, plus I
 worked though many sample programs to test out DMD against the
 specification. It would appear that DMD and its documentation are in
 serious conflict with each other.

 I submit my revised documentation here as a possible starting point for a
 clearer picture and resolution of the issues.

 You can view my docs online

  http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/attr.html

 and the files that they were generated from

  http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/attr.d
  http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/style.css

 These files are now in the public domain.

 I am expecting that you will read and correct this documentation, and pass
 back your findings to either me or the newsgroup.

 -- 
 Derek
 (skype: derek.j.parnell)
 Melbourne, Australia
 "Down with mediocrity!"
 27/06/2006 4:56:29 PM
Jun 27 2006
parent Dave <Dave_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <e7sref$tgg$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Boris Wang says...

Maybe, Walter find a good begin, but has no ability to reach the end.
Maybe,what we want is a d like language controled by myself, the programer.


Walter has the ability, maybe just not the time...

This type of thing ("community development of the language and compiler") has
been discussed before quite a bit and I think we, as D programmers, are getting
the best of all worlds. A BDFL (Benevalent Dictator for Life) in Walter who has
implemented world-class compilers before, knows a lot about language design and
who is also doing the majority of the work, _while_ we still get some say in the
design and implementation of the language, compiler and libraries.

Generally, if you come up with a really good idea that fits in w/ D semantics
and goals and has some community support, Walter may at least consider
implementing it, time permitting.

We all have our pet issues with the language design, but I think the whole is
more than the sum of the parts as-is right now.

There's only so much you can fit into one language v1.0 spec. after all <g>

I think the best thing we as D users could do right now is find bugs in the
compiler and/or where the spec. doesn't match the implementation and report
them.

It looks like that's what Derek had in mind.


"Derek Parnell" <derek nomail.afraid.org> 
??????:1xf0m4urq2q9n.1xwrr4voyhwwk$.dlg 40tude.net...

 Walter,
 I am becoming increasingly anxious about the stability and dependability 
 of
 DMD and D, with respect to the protection attributes and storage-class
 attributes. It appears that either the documentation, DMD or both are
 wrong. There has been a flurry of recent discussion about these 
 attributes,
 and there is a history of such discussions too, but there is no resolution
 yet. You are the only one that can resolve the issues that have been
 presented but you are silent on this, and that is causing my anxiety.

 I felt that I didn't understand what you really wanted for D so I 
 attempted
 your documentation yet again. I ended up rewriting and reorganizing the
 documentation to help me see your specification for D attributes, plus I
 worked though many sample programs to test out DMD against the
 specification. It would appear that DMD and its documentation are in
 serious conflict with each other.

 I submit my revised documentation here as a possible starting point for a
 clearer picture and resolution of the issues.

 You can view my docs online

  http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/attr.html

 and the files that they were generated from

  http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/attr.d
  http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/style.css

 These files are now in the public domain.

 I am expecting that you will read and correct this documentation, and pass
 back your findings to either me or the newsgroup.

 -- 
 Derek
 (skype: derek.j.parnell)
 Melbourne, Australia
 "Down with mediocrity!"
 27/06/2006 4:56:29 PM
Jun 28 2006