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digitalmars.D.ide - What you use D for?

reply Arne <user domain.invalid> writes:
Hi all,

I'm a developer specialised in making eclipse based IDEs. We consider to create
a comercial quality IDE for D but are unsure if it will pay of (and so we are
able to throw full time developers at the project).

We need to know if there will be enough customers. Do you use D for commercial
projects? Does your company make money with it? And is able to pay for an IDE
(if it fullfill your needs and speed up your development, of course)?

It would be helpfull if you can describe in a few words what you do with D and
perhaps could provide a link.

Thanks!

Arne
May 14 2008
parent reply cy ngs.ru writes:
On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:40:56 +0400, Arne <user domain.invalid> wrote:


 Hi all,

 I'm a developer specialised in making eclipse based IDEs. We consider to  
 create a comercial quality IDE for D but are unsure if it will pay of  
 (and so we are able to throw full time developers at the project).

 We need to know if there will be enough customers. Do you use D for  
 commercial projects? Does your company make money with it? And is able  
 to pay for an IDE (if it fullfill your needs and speed up your  
 development, of course)?

 It would be helpfull if you can describe in a few words what you do with  
 D and perhaps could provide a link.

 Thanks!

 Arne


IMO ther is already a _sufficiently_ good eclipse based IDE. And, if you  
look at  
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/ide/what_I
E_do_you_use_1.html  
you'll see that vim/emacs are also quite popular among D programmers. D  
helped my company to solve several problems, but it's not making money  
with D. It would be able to pay for an IDE, but we are strongly encouraged  
to use free and open-source software like eclipse/netbeans/firefox etc.  
Because it's _sufficiently_ good for our purposes.
May 20 2008
parent reply Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> writes:
cy ngs.ru wrote:

 On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:40:56 +0400, Arne <user domain.invalid> wrote:
 

 Hi all,

 I'm a developer specialised in making eclipse based IDEs. We consider 
 to  create a comercial quality IDE for D but are unsure if it will pay 
 of  (and so we are able to throw full time developers at the project).

 We need to know if there will be enough customers. Do you use D for  
 commercial projects? Does your company make money with it? And is 
 able  to pay for an IDE (if it fullfill your needs and speed up your  
 development, of course)?

 It would be helpfull if you can describe in a few words what you do 
 with  D and perhaps could provide a link.

 Thanks!

 Arne


 
 
 IMO ther is already a _sufficiently_ good eclipse based IDE. And, if 
 you  look at  
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/ide/what_I
E_do_you_use_1.html  
 you'll see that vim/emacs are also quite popular among D programmers. D  
 helped my company to solve several problems, but it's not making money  
 with D. It would be able to pay for an IDE, but we are strongly 
 encouraged  to use free and open-source software like 
 eclipse/netbeans/firefox etc.  Because it's _sufficiently_ good for our 
 purposes.


Hi, Arne.

Earlier I posted my reply to your post.

Now, the reason why I took it for granted that you'll make a "native 
compiled ide" was that nobody needs another Eclipse plugin. I was sort 
of convinced that you didn't even consider that option, and that you 
mentioned experience as an Eclipse plugin developer just as a CV-type of 
reference.

A lot of people either find Eclipse as too resource hungry (memory, 
start-up time, overall sluggishness, the need to install several tens of 
megagytes worth of Java etc. code, just to run an editor or IDE), or 
just too imposing or distracting for the overall work one really 
wants/needs to do. (A lot of developers are over 30 years old, and many 
of them don't like a lot of extra bells and whistles all over the screen 
while they're trying to concentrate on the code at hand.)

Jussi Jumppanen has done an excellent job with Zeus. Alas, it's for 
Windows, only. While many believe that there's absolutely no money to 
reap for anything Linux related, I'd like to disagree. My development 
environment is Linux only, except for a few diehard Windows customers. 
And I make a living out of this business. And, I'd pony up any day I 
become aware of an IDE that "does the thing and doesn't get in the way", 
either technically or by distracting my attention.

Knowing enough to be a successful Eclipse Plugin Developer certainly 
gets you into a position to both experience and know what the user 
community really wants.

georg

PS. So, subtle, humble, agile, unobtrusive, -- and foremost, sufficient 
for the job, are the key words here.
May 26 2008
parent reply Jussi Jumppanen <jussij zeusedit.com> writes:
Hi Georg,


 Jussi Jumppanen has done an excellent job with Zeus. Alas, 
 it's for Windows, only. 


Thank you for your kind works regarding Zeus :)


 A lot of developers are over 30 years old, and many of them 
 don't like a lot of extra bells and whistles all over the 
 screen while they're trying to concentrate on the code at 
 hand.)


Strangely enough I too am one of those 30+ programmers 
you describe.

Personally I find IDE's like Eclipse just a bit too slow for 
my fingers ;)

I also like to make the editing window as big as possible so I 
get annoyed by all those extra dockable windows and I really 
hate it when the IDE forces me to code with a mouse.

Which I guess basically explains why Zeus is the way it is.


 While many believe that there's absolutely no money to reap 
 for anything Linux related, I'd like to disagree. 


Unfortunately these days I think there is very little money 
in development tools :(


development tools (i.e NetBeans, Eclipse, Visual Studio etc) 
and it is quite impressive as to what these tools offer for 
free.

I think the big companies backing these languages are 
frantically trying to out compete each other with the 
next best free IDE, as the realise who ever wins the IDE 
war will also win the language war.


quite amazing. To try an develop something like that for 
another language would take several man decades of work 
and Microsoft gives it away for free.

Cheers Jussi
May 26 2008
parent Robert Fraser <fraserofthenight gmail.com> writes:
Jussi Jumppanen wrote:


 quite amazing. To try an develop something like that for 
 another language would take several man decades of work 
 and Microsoft gives it away for free.


Well, only the Express Edition is free, although the Express Edition is 
quite feature-rich & powerful... though I always have felt that Visual
May 27 2008