• Michelle Long (4/4) Oct 25 2018 Strings have an expander and are treated like arrays but they
• Rainer Schuetze (5/8) Oct 25 2018 The array display can also be helpful for some lowlevel code that
• Michelle Long (18/27) Oct 30 2018 I thought I already replied to this, oh well...
• Rainer Schuetze (5/39) Nov 03 2018 Mago already has a page for these kind of options:
• Michelle Long (3/47) Nov 03 2018 Thanks!

Michelle Long <HappyDance321 gmail.com> writes:

Strings have an expander and are treated like arrays but they 
don't have to be. The string is already shown in the value and 
there is the text viewer for them. The expander just gets in the 
way.

Rainer Schuetze <r.sagitario gmx.de> writes:

On 26/10/2018 02:29, Michelle Long wrote:
 Strings have an expander and are treated like arrays but they don't have
 to be. The string is already shown in the value and there is the text
 viewer for them. The expander just gets in the way.

The array display can also be helpful for some lowlevel code that
iterates over the string, especially if there multi-byte characters in a
string. I don't think having the option to expand the string is too
distractive.

Michelle Long <HappyDance321 gmail.com> writes:

On Friday, 26 October 2018 at 06:36:05 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote:
 On 26/10/2018 02:29, Michelle Long wrote:
 Strings have an expander and are treated like arrays but they 
 don't have to be. The string is already shown in the value and 
 there is the text viewer for them. The expander just gets in 
 the way.

 The array display can also be helpful for some lowlevel code 
 that iterates over the string, especially if there multi-byte 
 characters in a string. I don't think having the option to 
 expand the string is too distractive.

I thought I already replied to this, oh well...

The problem is that sometimes one might click on the expander and 
it expands far too much. It most cases it is not needed.

Maybe you could make it an option(have an options page for things 
like this that tweak things for personal taste) that you can add 
over time that doesn't get in the way of normal functionality.

VS has a memory window for looking at arrays in a more meaningful 
way which is nearly just as easy to use.

Since 95%+ of the time one doesn't need to look at the character 
data of a string(since it's a string and not a byte array), the 
expenders are not needed. In most of the other cases the memory 
window could be used. If anyone is needed such behavior 
consistently then it can be enabled(or disabled, I don't care 
about default behavior as long as I can override it).

The goal is to make the debugging experience easy nice as 
possible so it is not so frustrating. Everyone is different and 
has different needs.

Rainer Schuetze <r.sagitario gmx.de> writes:

On 30/10/2018 16:31, Michelle Long wrote:
 On Friday, 26 October 2018 at 06:36:05 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote:
 On 26/10/2018 02:29, Michelle Long wrote:
 Strings have an expander and are treated like arrays but they don't
 have to be. The string is already shown in the value and there is the
 text viewer for them. The expander just gets in the way.

 The array display can also be helpful for some lowlevel code that
 iterates over the string, especially if there multi-byte characters in
 a string. I don't think having the option to expand the string is too
 distractive.

 
 I thought I already replied to this, oh well...
 
 The problem is that sometimes one might click on the expander and it
 expands far too much. It most cases it is not needed.
 
 Maybe you could make it an option(have an options page for things like
 this that tweak things for personal taste) that you can add over time
 that doesn't get in the way of normal functionality.

Mago already has a page for these kind of options:
Tools->Options->Debugger->Mago.

 
 VS has a memory window for looking at arrays in a more meaningful way
 which is nearly just as easy to use.
 
 Since 95%+ of the time one doesn't need to look at the character data of
 a string(since it's a string and not a byte array), the expenders are
 not needed. In most of the other cases the memory window could be used.
 If anyone is needed such behavior consistently then it can be enabled(or
 disabled, I don't care about default behavior as long as I can override
 it).
 
 The goal is to make the debugging experience easy nice as possible so it
 is not so frustrating. Everyone is different and has different needs.

Shouldn't be to difficult to implement, I'll think about it:
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19352

Michelle Long <HappyDance321 gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 3 November 2018 at 08:26:57 UTC, Rainer Schuetze 
wrote:
 On 30/10/2018 16:31, Michelle Long wrote:
 On Friday, 26 October 2018 at 06:36:05 UTC, Rainer Schuetze 
 wrote:
 On 26/10/2018 02:29, Michelle Long wrote:
 Strings have an expander and are treated like arrays but 
 they don't have to be. The string is already shown in the 
 value and there is the text viewer for them. The expander 
 just gets in the way.

 The array display can also be helpful for some lowlevel code 
 that iterates over the string, especially if there multi-byte 
 characters in a string. I don't think having the option to 
 expand the string is too distractive.

 
 I thought I already replied to this, oh well...
 
 The problem is that sometimes one might click on the expander 
 and it expands far too much. It most cases it is not needed.
 
 Maybe you could make it an option(have an options page for 
 things like this that tweak things for personal taste) that 
 you can add over time that doesn't get in the way of normal 
 functionality.

 Mago already has a page for these kind of options: 
 Tools->Options->Debugger->Mago.

 
 VS has a memory window for looking at arrays in a more 
 meaningful way which is nearly just as easy to use.
 
 Since 95%+ of the time one doesn't need to look at the 
 character data of a string(since it's a string and not a byte 
 array), the expenders are not needed. In most of the other 
 cases the memory window could be used. If anyone is needed 
 such behavior consistently then it can be enabled(or disabled, 
 I don't care about default behavior as long as I can override 
 it).
 
 The goal is to make the debugging experience easy nice as 
 possible so it is not so frustrating. Everyone is different 
 and has different needs.

 Shouldn't be to difficult to implement, I'll think about it: 
 https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19352


Thanks!