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reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
As the new design rolled out on dlang.org, I decided to push the 
changes on forum.dlang.org as well. From what I gathered from the 
previous feedback thread, I believe we've addressed the most 
stringent issues. Once again thanks to anonymous /  aG0aep6G for 
doing practically all the work, and to everyone who's provided 
feedback so far.

Changes since the previous preview thread:

- The left navigation side panel is now narrower
- "Toggle navigation" now hides the side panel, too
- Removed margins in narrow view modes
- Added an expandable thread overview and pager to the first page 
of threads in basic view mode

- Added Lucida Console and Menlo to font list for post content
- Disabled text-size-adjust (font size inflation on mobile 
browsers)
- Removed font size changing depending on window width
- Tweaked forum and group index background colors
- Various fixes, including:
   - "Current thread" and other labels not fitting in the search 
dropdown
   - Height calculations for the split view modes
   - Restrict breadcrumbs to one line

Let's keep going with good feedback and incremental improvements. 
Some of you have provided general forum.dlang.org feedback, and 
while that's always welcome, we'd like to concentrate on the 
changes brought by the new design right now.

Some remaining possible issues:

1. Font

A few people mentioned that they found the new font (Roboto Slab) 
difficult to read. Some questions:

a) The same font is also used for nearly everything on dlang.org. 
Does your complaint also apply to the main website (i.e. should 
we consider changing the font on dlang.org)?

b) This font is not used for actual content (a different font is 
used for the post body). Perhaps we can just change the font for 
a few areas of the site, and e.g. leave it for navigation to 
match the dlang.org style.

2. Page width, especially in horizontal-split mode

As mentioned above, the navigation has been made narrower and the 
content wider, and the horizontal-split view mode can fit 73 
characters at its widest. Hopefully this should be sufficient. If 
not I posted some ideas here: 
https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/pull/51#issuecomment-172468784

As I posted in the previous thread, it would be:

- GOOD if you are as specific as possible in what can be improved
- GREAT if you can provide detailed suggestions in how things can 
be improved
- AMAZING if you can provide a mock-up (screenshot or web page) 
of how things could be improved
- INCREDIBLE if you can provide a pull request with your 
improvements :)
Jan 18 2016
next sibling parent reply deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org, I decided to push 
 the changes on forum.dlang.org as well. From what I gathered 
 from the previous feedback thread, I believe we've addressed 
 the most stringent issues. Once again thanks to anonymous / 
  aG0aep6G for doing practically all the work, and to everyone 
 who's provided feedback so far.


Looks great.

One thing: layout of posts change when selecting them.

Second thing: yup the font is not super duper easy to read. I 
think the major issue is that is is quite compact in the 
horizontal direction. Previous font was more readable. For the 
same reason, it makes some link not very easy to click.
Jan 18 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:22:16 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 Looks great.

 One thing: layout of posts change when selecting them.


I'm not sure what you're referring to. Screenshots, please? Is it 
the link hotkeys? Is this a new problem?


 Second thing: yup the font is not super duper easy to read. I 
 think the major issue is that is is quite compact in the 
 horizontal direction. Previous font was more readable. For the 
 same reason, it makes some link not very easy to click.


Previous font for what? You mean Roboto Sans, or (as I see you're 
posting from a Mac) Menlo?
Jan 18 2016
parent reply deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:28:44 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:22:16 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 Looks great.

 One thing: layout of posts change when selecting them.


 I'm not sure what you're referring to. Screenshots, please? Is 
 it the link hotkeys? Is this a new problem?


You got it : http://imgur.com/a/2Ia1N

Note that Martin's post gets a relayout once I click on it. I'm 
using firefox on OSX if that matters.


 Second thing: yup the font is not super duper easy to read. I 
 think the major issue is that is is quite compact in the 
 horizontal direction. Previous font was more readable. For the 
 same reason, it makes some link not very easy to click.


 Previous font for what? You mean Roboto Sans, or (as I see 
 you're posting from a Mac) Menlo?


No idea. The font there was on the previous design :)
Jan 18 2016
next sibling parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 20:14:29 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:28:44 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:22:16 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 Looks great.

 One thing: layout of posts change when selecting them.


 I'm not sure what you're referring to. Screenshots, please? Is 
 it the link hotkeys? Is this a new problem?


 You got it : http://imgur.com/a/2Ia1N

 Note that Martin's post gets a relayout once I click on it. I'm 
 using firefox on OSX if that matters.


Okay, so it's the link hotkeys.


 Second thing: yup the font is not super duper easy to read. I 
 think the major issue is that is is quite compact in the 
 horizontal direction. Previous font was more readable. For 
 the same reason, it makes some link not very easy to click.


 Previous font for what? You mean Roboto Sans, or (as I see 
 you're posting from a Mac) Menlo?


 No idea. The font there was on the previous design :)


Sorry, I meant that I don't understand which font you mean is not 
easy to read - the font used for the post content, or the font 
used for everything else (navigation etc.), or...?
Jan 18 2016
parent deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 19 January 2016 at 04:54:29 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 Second thing: yup the font is not super duper easy to read. 
 I think the major issue is that is is quite compact in the 
 horizontal direction. Previous font was more readable. For 
 the same reason, it makes some link not very easy to click.


 Previous font for what? You mean Roboto Sans, or (as I see 
 you're posting from a Mac) Menlo?


 No idea. The font there was on the previous design :)


 Sorry, I meant that I don't understand which font you mean is 
 not easy to read - the font used for the post content, or the 
 font used for everything else (navigation etc.), or...?


Everything else.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling parent Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 20:14:29 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:28:44 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:22:16 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 Looks great.

 One thing: layout of posts change when selecting them.


 I'm not sure what you're referring to. Screenshots, please? Is 
 it the link hotkeys? Is this a new problem?


 You got it : http://imgur.com/a/2Ia1N

 Note that Martin's post gets a relayout once I click on it. I'm 
 using firefox on OSX if that matters.


The layout was changing because the forum displayed the link 
hotkey markers ([1], [2] etc.). They indicate which number key to 
press to navigate the link they're attached to.

I've changed it so that they're only displayed if you focus the 
post using the keyboard.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Dicebot <public dicebot.lv> writes:
Oh crap, I had a shock when opening forum web page today. This is 
what you get for stopping to read NG I guess :X

It feels much harder to read on my machine but it may be simply 
old habit talking. I'll try to identifying what feels strange and 
report in more constructive fashion later.
Jan 18 2016
parent reply Dicebot <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:34:21 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 Oh crap, I had a shock when opening forum web page today. This 
 is what you get for stopping to read NG I guess :X

 It feels much harder to read on my machine but it may be simply 
 old habit talking. I'll try to identifying what feels strange 
 and report in more constructive fashion later.


FYI, this is how it looks here : 
http://files.mstr.lv/new_forum.png
I suspect it is the font which feels so different and wrong 
compared to previous one.
Jan 18 2016
next sibling parent Tofu Ninja <emmons0 purdue.edu> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:40:58 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 http://files.mstr.lv/new_forum.png


Oh dear lord that looks bad, im on windows chrome and it does not 
look nearly that bad. That looks like the whole post was bolded.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:40:58 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:34:21 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 Oh crap, I had a shock when opening forum web page today. This 
 is what you get for stopping to read NG I guess :X

 It feels much harder to read on my machine but it may be 
 simply old habit talking. I'll try to identifying what feels 
 strange and report in more constructive fashion later.


 FYI, this is how it looks here : 
 http://files.mstr.lv/new_forum.png
 I suspect it is the font which feels so different and wrong 
 compared to previous one.


Which font - Roboto Slab, or did you previously get a different 
font for post content?
Jan 18 2016
next sibling parent reply Dicebot <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:46:43 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:40:58 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:34:21 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 Oh crap, I had a shock when opening forum web page today. 
 This is what you get for stopping to read NG I guess :X

 It feels much harder to read on my machine but it may be 
 simply old habit talking. I'll try to identifying what feels 
 strange and report in more constructive fashion later.


 FYI, this is how it looks here : 
 http://files.mstr.lv/new_forum.png
 I suspect it is the font which feels so different and wrong 
 compared to previous one.


 Which font - Roboto Slab, or did you previously get a different 
 font for post content?


I see the problem. It uses system monospace font but it gets set 
to fixed 15px size which is why it looks weird/bold - I never use 
this specific font with more than 10px size text. Full font stack 
from css looks like this - "Consolas,Lucida 
Console,Menlo,monospace" but all former ones are not present on 
my system.

No idea what font was used before but it was much more in style 
with what I have :) Is there a backup copy of old forum.dlang.org 
so that I can grab some CSS from it to experiment?
Jan 18 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:56:01 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 I see the problem. It uses system monospace font but it gets 
 set to fixed 15px size which is why it looks weird/bold - I 
 never use this specific font with more than 10px size text. 
 Full font stack from css looks like this - "Consolas,Lucida 
 Console,Menlo,monospace" but all former ones are not present on 
 my system.

 No idea what font was used before but it was much more in style 
 with what I have :) Is there a backup copy of old 
 forum.dlang.org so that I can grab some CSS from it to 
 experiment?


That's pretty weird. This is what it was set to before:

https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/blob/5774b110df30b2abc599387d7e0ff87fa8331650/web/static/css/dfeed.css#L523

We could add Bitstream Vera Sans Mono to the font list. Does that 
font look better for you?
Jan 18 2016
parent reply Dicebot <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:06:24 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 That's pretty weird. This is what it was set to before:

 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/blob/5774b110df30b2abc599387d7e0ff87fa8331650/web/static/css/dfeed.css#L523

 We could add Bitstream Vera Sans Mono to the font list. Does 
 that font look better for you?


I think it is more of a size problem I don't understand ( sorry, 
I am very ignorant of client-side web :( ). The same font with 
1em == 11px (like it is configured in my browser for monospace 
fonts) would look very good. But for some reason it uses 
monospace font and 1em == 16px serif size.


 I'm really confused. In the other post you were clearly 
 referring to the monospace
 fonts used for post contents. Here you mention Roboto Slab, but 
 it isn't a monospace
 font, and now I'm not sure what you're referring to. Could you 
 please elaborate
 in greater detail?


I have meant that dlang.org uses (non-monospace) Roboto Slab and 
it looks ok, responding to original question in your first post 
:) It is unrelated to (monospace) forum.dlang.org font issue.
Jan 18 2016
parent Dicebot <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:26:48 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:06:24 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 That's pretty weird. This is what it was set to before:

 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/blob/5774b110df30b2abc599387d7e0ff87fa8331650/web/static/css/dfeed.css#L523

 We could add Bitstream Vera Sans Mono to the font list. Does 
 that font look better for you?


 I think it is more of a size problem I don't understand ( 
 sorry, I am very ignorant of client-side web :( ). The same 
 font with 1em == 11px (like it is configured in my browser for 
 monospace fonts) would look very good. But for some reason it 
 uses monospace font and 1em == 16px serif size.


Though if I am only one having such issue probably it is better 
to just override CSS locally and let it go :)
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling parent reply Dicebot <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:46:43 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 Which font - Roboto Slab, or did you previously get a different 
 font for post content?


dlang.org uses Roboto Slab on my machine and it looks better : 
http://files.mstr.lv/new_dlang.png
Jan 18 2016
parent Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:58:52 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:46:43 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 Which font - Roboto Slab, or did you previously get a 
 different font for post content?


 dlang.org uses Roboto Slab on my machine and it looks better : 
 http://files.mstr.lv/new_dlang.png


I'm really confused. In the other post you were clearly referring 
to the monospace fonts used for post contents. Here you mention 
Roboto Slab, but it isn't a monospace font, and now I'm not sure 
what you're referring to. Could you please elaborate in greater 
detail?
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Tofu Ninja <emmons0 purdue.edu> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 ...


The font looks particularly bad on the bolded thread titles in 
the forums. I think really any where I see bolded text it just 
looks bad, looks like its bleeding. Otherwise I dont mind the 
font.

The main page looks a little jumbled, maybe section off the 
widgets into a bar on the side. Maybe section off the "Why D?" 
like you did with the gray section that has the the "your code 
here" box.

Also it is really very bright, maybe provide a dark theme. Also I 
feel like the red header at the top is just 1 shade too bright, 
but maybe thats just me, I tend to like more muted tones.
Jan 18 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:34:23 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 ...


 The font looks particularly bad on the bolded thread titles in 
 the forums. I think really any where I see bolded text it just 
 looks bad, looks like its bleeding. Otherwise I dont mind the 
 font.


OK, I figured this one out. We weren't loading Roboto Slab Bold, 
so the browsers were making up what they thought bold could look 
like from the regular weight.

https://github.com/CyberShadow/d-programming-language.org/commit/14dba780f5562bfe2affeb8c01a6655d0a705467

How does it look now?
Jan 18 2016
next sibling parent Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:03:18 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 OK, I figured this one out. We weren't loading Roboto Slab 
 Bold, so the browsers were making up what they thought bold 
 could look like from the regular weight.

 https://github.com/CyberShadow/d-programming-language.org/commit/14dba780f5562bfe2affeb8c01a6655d0a705467

 How does it look now?


Comparisons:

http://dump.thecybershadow.net/0f43d7cc0378e4ae706a6715fa7f7457/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-18%20at%2014.57.15.png
http://dump.thecybershadow.net/5731263223ddc5724dad7b0baa881e8c/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-18%20at%2014.57.16.png
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling parent reply Tofu Ninja <emmons0 purdue.edu> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:03:18 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 ...

 OK, I figured this one out. We weren't loading Roboto Slab 
 Bold, so the browsers were making up what they thought bold 
 could look like from the regular weight.

 https://github.com/CyberShadow/d-programming-language.org/commit/14dba780f5562bfe2affeb8c01a6655d0a705467

 How does it look now?


A lot better
Jan 18 2016
parent deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 16:05:37 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:03:18 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 ...

 OK, I figured this one out. We weren't loading Roboto Slab 
 Bold, so the browsers were making up what they thought bold 
 could look like from the regular weight.

 https://github.com/CyberShadow/d-programming-language.org/commit/14dba780f5562bfe2affeb8c01a6655d0a705467

 How does it look now?


 A lot better


Posts themselves looks much better, link to pages and breadcrumb, 
not that much.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Adam D. Ruppe <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org, I decided to push 
 the changes on forum.dlang.org as well.


I can't tell what threads I've read anymore on on the default web 
forum style view. I'm not sure if this is link:visited or 
something you tracked, but regardless, I actually kinda depend on 
those purple links when doing TWID to help me get everything.
Jan 18 2016
next sibling parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:40:21 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org, I decided to push 
 the changes on forum.dlang.org as well.


 I can't tell what threads I've read anymore on on the default 
 web forum style view. I'm not sure if this is link:visited or 
 something you tracked, but regardless, I actually kinda depend 
 on those purple links when doing TWID to help me get everything.


Hi Adam,

The forum remembers which posts you've read and marks those you 
haven't in bold.

Do you browse the forum without an account and without cookies?
Jan 18 2016
parent reply bachmeier <no spam.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:13:20 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:


 Hi Adam,

 The forum remembers which posts you've read and marks those you 
 haven't in bold.

 Do you browse the forum without an account and without cookies?


When I browse on the web (which is a lot of the time) I do so 
without an account but with cookies. I no longer have visited 
posts in bold.
Jan 18 2016
next sibling parent reply tcak <1ltkrs+3wyh1ow7kzn1k sharklasers.com> writes:
New design is good, though it uses "Roboto Slab" according to 
Firefox Web tools. But due to lack of this font (does the web 
site use Google Fonts?), I see everything in Sans Serif. As far 
as I see, no other font name is provided in CSS as well.
Jan 18 2016
parent Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 18:10:01 UTC, tcak wrote:

 New design is good, though it uses "Roboto Slab" according to 
 Firefox Web tools. But due to lack of this font (does the web 
 site use Google Fonts?), I see everything in Sans Serif. As far 
 as I see, no other font name is provided in CSS as well.


Yes, Roboto Slab is loaded from Google Fonts.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 16:37:53 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:13:20 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:


 Hi Adam,

 The forum remembers which posts you've read and marks those 
 you haven't in bold.

 Do you browse the forum without an account and without cookies?


 When I browse on the web (which is a lot of the time) I do so 
 without an account but with cookies. I no longer have visited 
 posts in bold.


That's wrong. Can you post a screenshot?
Jan 18 2016
parent reply bachmeier <no spam.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 19:01:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:


 That's wrong. Can you post a screenshot?


For this thread, so obviously I have viewed some of the posts:

http://lancebachmeier.com/pics/screenshot.png
Jan 18 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 19:15:08 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 19:01:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:


 That's wrong. Can you post a screenshot?


 For this thread, so obviously I have viewed some of the posts:

 http://lancebachmeier.com/pics/screenshot.png


That's really weird. Unfortunately I don't know how to reproduce 
this, and I don't know what's going on. I would suggest 
experimenting with it yourself.
Jan 18 2016
parent bachmeier <no spam.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 19 January 2016 at 07:15:44 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:


 That's really weird. Unfortunately I don't know how to 
 reproduce this, and I don't know what's going on. I would 
 suggest experimenting with it yourself.


It works now.
Jan 19 2016
prev sibling parent Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:40:21 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org, I decided to push 
 the changes on forum.dlang.org as well.


 I can't tell what threads I've read anymore on on the default 
 web forum style view. I'm not sure if this is link:visited or 
 something you tracked, but regardless, I actually kinda depend 
 on those purple links when doing TWID to help me get everything.


I've added a distinct :visited color now.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply JohnCK <j j.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 ... you can provide detailed suggestions in how things can be 
 improved...


So far so good for me. The only thing that's bothering me a bit 
is the light gray color used on the "Quoted text", I think it 
should be a little more dark and beside that, you maybe could use 
a Italic on it.

JohnCK.
Jan 18 2016
parent Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:50:03 UTC, JohnCK wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 ... you can provide detailed suggestions in how things can be 
 improved...


 So far so good for me. The only thing that's bothering me a bit 
 is the light gray color used on the "Quoted text", I think it 
 should be a little more dark and beside that, you maybe could 
 use a Italic on it.


We've actually made it 22% darker since the original color 
already. Currently it is the same color as e.g. the color used 
for quoted text on GitHub.

I'm not sure about italics - monospace fonts and italics don't 
mix well, and I haven't seen italics used for quoting forum posts 
in many places on the web.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply JohnCK <j j.com> writes:
And by the way, one more thing, after posting a comment the site 
refresh 3x, I don't remember the text, but something like: 
(sending the text, waiting/processing, text sent), the entire 
process here takes like 3 ~ 5 seconds.

Why is that? can't we hide that information and save 2 refreshs?

JohnCK.
Jan 18 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 14:54:55 UTC, JohnCK wrote:

 And by the way, one more thing, after posting a comment the 
 site refresh 3x, I don't remember the text, but something like: 
 (sending the text, waiting/processing, text sent), the entire 
 process here takes like 3 ~ 5 seconds.

 Why is that? can't we hide that information and save 2 refreshs?

 JohnCK.


I'm not sure what you're suggesting. The posting process page 
actually shows the process of checking the post for spam against 
multiple spam-checking services, sending it off to the NNTP 
server, and waiting for the message to be received back (which 
indicates that it has been saved and is available for everyone to 
read). All this does take a few seconds.
Jan 18 2016
parent reply JohnCK <j j.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:11:49 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 I'm not sure what you're suggesting...


Well, why it doesn't works like any other forum, where you post a 
message and after that sent back to the topic.

Currently after posting a message the page refreshs 3 times, with 
3 messages like (Posting message, contacting NNTP, Message 
Posted) and after the last message then the user is send back to 
the topic.

In other words, why the user needs to see the validation process, 
why not just validates everything behind the curtains and just 
come back with a warning if there is any.

When posting in any other forum elsewhere the same process occurs 
instantly, while in here it takes like 3 ~ 5 seconds.

JohnCK.
Jan 18 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:47:08 UTC, JohnCK wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:11:49 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 I'm not sure what you're suggesting...


 Well, why it doesn't works like any other forum, where you post 
 a message and after that sent back to the topic.

 Currently after posting a message the page refreshs 3 times, 
 with 3 messages like (Posting message, contacting NNTP, Message 
 Posted) and after the last message then the user is send back 
 to the topic.

 In other words, why the user needs to see the validation 
 process, why not just validates everything behind the curtains 
 and just come back with a warning if there is any.

 When posting in any other forum elsewhere the same process 
 occurs instantly, while in here it takes like 3 ~ 5 seconds.


That's because this website is not really a forum, in reality it 
is a web newsreader (NNTP gateway).

http://forum.dlang.org/help#about
Jan 18 2016
parent reply JohnCK <j j.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:55:01 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 That's because this website is not really a forum, in reality 
 it is a web newsreader (NNTP gateway).

 http://forum.dlang.org/help#about


I know that, I just thought that those messages/refreshs could be 
handled in the server-side without being seen on the client-side.

But if there's no way, I think you should cache the css/fonts or 
something like that because on every refresh the layout waits for 
style, because the text/menu bar are unfilled at the beginning of 
the refresh, then it's filled seconds later.

The older version didn't had the problem above.

JohnCK.
Jan 18 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 16:05:08 UTC, JohnCK wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 15:55:01 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 That's because this website is not really a forum, in reality 
 it is a web newsreader (NNTP gateway).

 http://forum.dlang.org/help#about


 I know that, I just thought that those messages/refreshs could 
 be handled in the server-side without being seen on the 
 client-side.

 But if there's no way, I think you should cache the css/fonts 
 or something like that because on every refresh the layout 
 waits for style, because the text/menu bar are unfilled at the 
 beginning of the refresh, then it's filled seconds later.

 The older version didn't had the problem above.

 JohnCK.


Nothing changed in this regard since the last iteration.
Jan 18 2016
parent reply JohnCK <j j.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 16:11:37 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 Nothing changed in this regard since the last iteration.


Alright and finally (Before you get tired) I was looking the new 
DLANG.org and it's very nice. The only small thing I saw is the: 
"Latest announcements" and "Active Discussions"  **HEADER**  
should have the same layout as the menu bar, here is a example:

http://i.imgur.com/jChPMZe.png

Bye,

JohnCK.
Jan 18 2016
parent Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 16:21:09 UTC, JohnCK wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 16:11:37 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 Nothing changed in this regard since the last iteration.


 Alright and finally (Before you get tired) I was looking the 
 new DLANG.org and it's very nice. The only small thing I saw is 
 the: "Latest announcements" and "Active Discussions"  
 **HEADER**  should have the same layout as the menu bar, here 
 is a example:

 http://i.imgur.com/jChPMZe.png

 Bye,

 JohnCK.


Those boxes imitate the Twitter box design, over which we have 
limited control.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent Faux Amis <faux amis.com> writes:
Regarding the font discussion:
The screenshots are made with sub-pixel anti aliasing on.
Which are display specific ;)
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent Meta <jared771 gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 - GOOD if you are as specific as possible in what can be 
 improved
 - GREAT if you can provide detailed suggestions in how things 
 can be improved
 - AMAZING if you can provide a mock-up (screenshot or web page) 
 of how things could be improved
 - INCREDIBLE if you can provide a pull request with your 
 improvements :)


I agree with others that it is a bit on the bright side. That 
doesn't bother that much, though. I only have one small issue, 
which is that it's now quite difficult to tell which threads I 
have and have not read at a glance, based on the boldness of the 
link. A screenshot for reference:

http://imgur.com/2guslfD

Making links that have been read a different colour might be a 
good solution, rather than just de-bolding them.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Uranuz <neuranuz gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org, I decided to push 
 the changes on forum.dlang.org as well. From what I gathered 
 from the previous feedback thread, I believe we've addressed 
 the most stringent issues. Once again thanks to anonymous / 
  aG0aep6G for doing practically all the work, and to everyone 
 who's provided feedback so far.

 [...]


New design looks good, although I get used to see the old one) 
One thing I don't feel comfortabale about is default color of 
links. As for me this *red* color is too bright and hurts my 
eyes. I propose to use more *dark red* as a default (I like that 

instead maybe use bright one (#b03931) for hovered elements. And 
I agree that it would be good to have another color for visited 

clean and minimalistic. Good work!
Jan 18 2016
next sibling parent karabuta <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 18:17:31 UTC, Uranuz wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org, I decided to push 
 the changes on forum.dlang.org as well. From what I gathered 
 from the previous feedback thread, I believe we've addressed 
 the most stringent issues. Once again thanks to anonymous / 
  aG0aep6G for doing practically all the work, and to everyone 
 who's provided feedback so far.

 [...]


 New design looks good, although I get used to see the old one) 
 One thing I don't feel comfortabale about is default color of 
 links. As for me this *red* color is too bright and hurts my 
 eyes. I propose to use more *dark red* as a default (I like 

 But instead maybe use bright one (#b03931) for hovered 
 elements. And I agree that it would be good to have another 
 color for visited links (maybe *grayed red* like this: 




This design is a major improvement in terms of layout, but still 
behind when it comes to UX(User Experience) and Accessibility. 
The most important thing people never understood about Jobs. 
Coders are weird :)
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 18:17:31 UTC, Uranuz wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org, I decided to push 
 the changes on forum.dlang.org as well. From what I gathered 
 from the previous feedback thread, I believe we've addressed 
 the most stringent issues. Once again thanks to anonymous / 
  aG0aep6G for doing practically all the work, and to everyone 
 who's provided feedback so far.

 [...]


 New design looks good, although I get used to see the old one) 
 One thing I don't feel comfortabale about is default color of 
 links. As for me this *red* color is too bright and hurts my 
 eyes. I propose to use more *dark red* as a default (I like 

 But instead maybe use bright one (#b03931) for hovered 
 elements. And I agree that it would be good to have another 



I tried your suggestions:

http://dump.thecybershadow.net/bcd418be933e798f21ba950c4ad33a3b/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-19%20at%2006.55.09.png

It did not look great to me.

I did add a :visited color though.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling parent reply Luis <luis.panadero gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 18:17:31 UTC, Uranuz wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 [...]


 New design looks good, although I get used to see the old one) 
 One thing I don't feel comfortabale about is default color of 
 links. As for me this *red* color is too bright and hurts my 
 eyes. I propose to use more *dark red* as a default (I like 

 But instead maybe use bright one (#b03931) for hovered 
 elements. And I agree that it would be good to have another 
 color for visited links (maybe *grayed red* like this: 



As I said before.  I like this layout, but I miss the old color 
scheme. Dark schemes usually are more friendly to eyes.
Jan 19 2016
parent Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:
On Tuesday, 19 January 2016 at 15:18:29 UTC, Luis wrote:

 As I said before.  I like this layout, but I miss the old color 
 scheme. Dark schemes usually are more friendly to eyes.


Old scheme was actually bright scheme - dark text on bright 
background; dark scheme would be bright text on dark background.
Jan 19 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On 1/18/16, Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d
<digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org


Btw, drop-down menus which do not drop-down on hover are really
strange. I've never seen a drop-down menu on a modern website which
required you to click to open and click to close.

I do think huge drop down menus are problematic, but in our case we
only have a few items so it shouldn't be a problem.
Jan 18 2016
next sibling parent tsbockman <thomas.bockman gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 18:59:27 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:

 On 1/18/16, Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d 
 <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org


 Btw, drop-down menus which do not drop-down on hover are really 
 strange. I've never seen a drop-down menu on a modern website 
 which required you to click to open and click to close.

 I do think huge drop down menus are problematic, but in our 
 case we only have a few items so it shouldn't be a problem.


Yes. This will confuse new visitors browsing on the desktop.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling parent reply anonymous <anonymous example.com> writes:
On 18.01.2016 19:59, Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 Btw, drop-down menus which do not drop-down on hover are really
 strange. I've never seen a drop-down menu on a modern website which
 required you to click to open and click to close.


Microsoft does this.
Jan 18 2016
parent reply Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On 1/18/16, anonymous via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:

 On 18.01.2016 19:59, Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 Btw, drop-down menus which do not drop-down on hover are really
 strange. I've never seen a drop-down menu on a modern website which
 required you to click to open and click to close.


 Microsoft does this.


And techcrunch apparently too..

These companies change their websites extremely frequently. Anyway
it's not important at all, just thought I'd mention it.
Jan 18 2016
parent anonymous <anonymous example.com> writes:
On 18.01.2016 20:35, Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On 1/18/16, anonymous via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


[...]

 Microsoft does this.


 And techcrunch apparently too..


Another one: stackoverflow
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply wobbles <grogan.colin gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org, I decided to push 
 the changes on forum.dlang.org as well. From what I gathered 
 from the previous feedback thread, I believe we've addressed 
 the most stringent issues. Once again thanks to anonymous / 
  aG0aep6G for doing practically all the work, and to everyone 
 who's provided feedback so far.

 [...]


On the reddit thread, a bug in safari was posted:
"
I found a bug on Safari 7.1.3: each time I click the "Edit" 
button for the code editor, the gray panel with the code it in 
gets longer, and pushes the rest of the content in the site down. 
Here's an album with the before/after screenshots. 
http://imgur.com/a/TIylc
"
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/41j1nm/check_out_ds_new_site/cz32v1v
Jan 18 2016
next sibling parent anonymous <anonymous example.com> writes:
On 18.01.2016 21:32, wobbles wrote:

 On the reddit thread, a bug in safari was posted:
 "
 I found a bug on Safari 7.1.3: each time I click the "Edit" button for
 the code editor, the gray panel with the code it in gets longer, and
 pushes the rest of the content in the site down. Here's an album with
 the before/after screenshots. http://imgur.com/a/TIylc
 "
 https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/41j1nm/check_out_ds_new_site/cz32v1v


We may already have a ticket for this:
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15548

I have no idea what's going on here, and I don't have a Mac. So if 
anyone with access to Safari could have a look at this, that would be 
great :)

I've tried using browserstack.com to make sense of this. But you only 
get 30 minutes free trial time, and after 16 minutes all I know is that 
removing `editor.refresh()` from the edit button action [1] seems to 
help. But the "Reset" button still messes things up. Also, since this 
apparently wasn't an issue with the old design, and the JS code hasn't 
been touched, this should be fixable in CSS.


[1] 
https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/blob/818d38b19cfa357e79d991c55fd3a63d7fd9a39f/js/run.js#L492
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 20:32:50 UTC, wobbles wrote:

 On the reddit thread, a bug in safari was posted:
 "
 I found a bug on Safari 7.1.3: each time I click the "Edit" 
 button for the code editor, the gray panel with the code it in 
 gets longer, and pushes the rest of the content in the site 
 down. Here's an album with the before/after screenshots. 
 http://imgur.com/a/TIylc
 "
 https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/41j1nm/check_out_ds_new_site/cz32v1v


I have no idea what caused it, but updating CodeMirror fixes it:

https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1206
Jan 19 2016
parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2016-01-19 09:09, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:


 I have no idea what caused it, but updating CodeMirror fixes it:

 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1206


Hmm, seems to only occur when "display" is set to "table-cell" for the 
element with id "your-code-here".

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 19 2016
prev sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2016-01-18 21:32, wobbles wrote:


 On the reddit thread, a bug in safari was posted:
 "
 I found a bug on Safari 7.1.3: each time I click the "Edit" button for
 the code editor, the gray panel with the code it in gets longer, and
 pushes the rest of the content in the site down. Here's an album with
 the before/after screenshots. http://imgur.com/a/TIylc
 "
 https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/41j1nm/check_out_ds_new_site/cz32v1v


It's really weird. It adds padding, but I cannot modify the padding 
using the developer tools in the browser. Hmm, seems to only occur when 
"display" is set to "table-cell".

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 19 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Nick Treleaven <ntrel-pub mybtinternet.com> writes:
Thanks for developing the forum software.

One feature request: if there's selected text in the message body 
when clicking reply, only quote the selected text rather than the 
whole message body. This is what my email client does.

This would really help on my nexus tablet, it's painful selecting 
a text block of lines that flow off the visible screen.
Jan 18 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 20:51:23 UTC, Nick Treleaven wrote:

 This would really help on my nexus tablet, it's painful 
 selecting a text block of lines that flow off the visible 
 screen.


Where does that happen?
Jan 18 2016
parent Nick Treleaven <ntrel-pub mybtinternet.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 19 January 2016 at 04:53:01 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 20:51:23 UTC, Nick Treleaven 
 wrote:

 This would really help on my nexus tablet, it's painful 
 selecting a text block of lines that flow off the visible 
 screen.


 Where does that happen?


Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't think it's a problem with the 
forum, more just that editing a big block of text to remove some 
unnecessary quoted lines is awkward due to browser/WM. If I could 
just select the lines I want to reply to, then hit Reply, I 
wouldn't have to remove a block of quoted lines, which is tricky 
(I have to do it in stages, tapping and holding on a word to 
bring up the selection then dragging the caret cursors, then 
repeating several times for lines currently off screen).
Jan 19 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent tsbockman <thomas.bockman gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 [...]


Please change it so that the "Thread Overview" bar appears on 
every page, not just the first one in the thread.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Bubbasaur <bubba gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 ...


Very good but like someone already said, one problem is the 
"light gray" or whatever color used on quoted text.

Bubba.
Jan 18 2016
next sibling parent Bubbasaur <bubba gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 19 January 2016 at 01:33:34 UTC, Bubbasaur wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 ...


 Very good but like someone already said, one problem is the 
 "light gray" or whatever color used on quoted text.

 Bubba.


And by the way, after the first page inside a topic the "Top Bar" 
with Jump To Page... disappears.

Bubba.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling parent Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 19 January 2016 at 01:33:34 UTC, Bubbasaur wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 ...


 Very good but like someone already said, one problem is the 
 "light gray" or whatever color used on quoted text.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Puming <zhaopuming gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org, I decided to push 
 the changes on forum.dlang.org as well. From what I gathered 
 from the previous feedback thread, I believe we've addressed 
 the most stringent issues. Once again thanks to anonymous / 
  aG0aep6G for doing practically all the work, and to everyone 
 who's provided feedback so far.


I often found that I have to hover mouse on the title when 
viewing "Last Post" on the forum index pages, and think that is a 
bit annoying.

The "Group" column is very wide, with not any content.

So I changed the css a little and get this looking:

http://imgur.com/MxJJURL

Now "Last Post" column is at the center of focus and most of the 
times the title is shown wholy.

As for the subtitle in "Group" columns, I think you can make it a 
hover tip instead of directly displaying.

Do you think this looks better?
Jan 18 2016
parent Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 19 January 2016 at 07:21:09 UTC, Puming wrote:

 On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org, I decided to push 
 the changes on forum.dlang.org as well. From what I gathered 
 from the previous feedback thread, I believe we've addressed 
 the most stringent issues. Once again thanks to anonymous / 
  aG0aep6G for doing practically all the work, and to everyone 
 who's provided feedback so far.


 I often found that I have to hover mouse on the title when 
 viewing "Last Post" on the forum index pages, and think that is 
 a bit annoying.

 The "Group" column is very wide, with not any content.

 So I changed the css a little and get this looking:

 http://imgur.com/MxJJURL

 Now "Last Post" column is at the center of focus and most of 
 the times the title is shown wholy.


The reason for why the widths are as they are right now:

1. The group descriptions are only shown on the index page. The 
full post titles, however, can be seen on click or hover.

2. The table and its contents needs to look fine at all window 
widths.

3. The "Last Post" column's main purpose is to see at a glance 
whether there has been any activity in the corresponding group 
since your last visit. The most important parts of it is the 
timestamp and whether the last post has been read or not.

The post shown there is not selected by some criteria of 
popularity or importance; for more high-traffic groups, it is 
essentially a random selection from the active threads.

As such, attempts to put more focus on the "Last post" column to 
me seem frankly illogical.


 As for the subtitle in "Group" columns, I think you can make it 
 a hover tip instead of directly displaying.


The group names are extremely succinct as they are. The 
descriptions are of critical importance for new visitors.
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent yawniek <dlang srtnwz.com> writes:
i really like the new design, congratulations!

the only thing missing is proper code formatting with highlighting
Jan 18 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 1. Font

 A few people mentioned that they found the new font (Roboto 
 Slab) difficult to read. Some questions:

 a) The same font is also used for nearly everything on 
 dlang.org. Does your complaint also apply to the main website 
 (i.e. should we consider changing the font on dlang.org)?


Yes. I suppose serif fonts are ok for high DPI devices like laser 
printer, but on low DPI devices like LCD they don't get enough 
dots to render all their features. Also this font is rendered 
wrong for me: it uses variable stroke width for letters and it 
looks weird: http://abload.de/img/tmpy8oy2.png see letters o, d, 
n, m.
Jan 19 2016
parent Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= writes:
On Tuesday, 19 January 2016 at 10:16:44 UTC, Kagamin wrote:

 Yes. I suppose serif fonts are ok for high DPI devices like 
 laser printer, but on low DPI devices like LCD they don't get 
 enough dots to render all their features.


It isn't only serifs. In general, the system supplied 
helvetica-like font is more likely to be tailored for pixel 
rendering at common sizes, so "sans-serif" is what one want on 
bread-text for good legibility. But Roboto looks cluttered at any 
resolution...
Jan 19 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On 1/18/16, Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d
<digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org, I decided to push the
 changes on forum.dlang.org as well.


Hitting backspace doesn't seem to make the browser open the previous
page (Firefox 42.0). I don't know whether this is new behavior though.
Jan 19 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2016-01-18 11:20, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org,


I think the replies column is unnecessary wide. It's mostly an issue on 
mobile where the display is narrow. Unfortunately the header is making 
the rest of the columns wider than they really have to be.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 19 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 19 January 2016 at 19:36:11 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2016-01-18 11:20, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 As the new design rolled out on dlang.org,


 I think the replies column is unnecessary wide. It's mostly an 
 issue on mobile where the display is narrow. Unfortunately the 
 header is making the rest of the columns wider than they really 
 have to be.


Yep, plus now that we use a narrow font :P

Made it narrower + hid it on very narrow viewports (incl. 
portrait iPhone).
Jan 19 2016
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2016-01-19 20:59, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:


 Yep, plus now that we use a narrow font :P

 Made it narrower + hid it on very narrow viewports (incl. portrait iPhone).


Thanks. But now when the column is removed, it's not enough 
margin/padding on the right side, for the "Last Post" column.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 20 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 19:04:18 UTC, Jacob Carlborg 
wrote:

 On 2016-01-19 20:59, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:


 Yep, plus now that we use a narrow font :P

 Made it narrower + hid it on very narrow viewports (incl. 
 portrait iPhone).


 Thanks. But now when the column is removed, it's not enough 
 margin/padding on the right side, for the "Last Post" column.


Sorry, I don't understand. I don't see a problem in the iOS 
simulator in neither portrait or landscape mode. Can you 
elaborate or post a screenshot?
Jan 20 2016
next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2016-01-21 07:24, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:


 Sorry, I don't understand. I don't see a problem in the iOS simulator in
 neither portrait or landscape mode. Can you elaborate or post a screenshot?


I created an issue [1] to have somewhere to upload the images.

[1] https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/54

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 21 2016
prev sibling parent reply mate <aiueo aiueo.aiueo> writes:
On Thursday, 21 January 2016 at 06:24:04 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 19:04:18 UTC, Jacob Carlborg 
 wrote:

 On 2016-01-19 20:59, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:


 Yep, plus now that we use a narrow font :P

 Made it narrower + hid it on very narrow viewports (incl. 
 portrait iPhone).


 Thanks. But now when the column is removed, it's not enough 
 margin/padding on the right side, for the "Last Post" column.


 Sorry, I don't understand. I don't see a problem in the iOS 
 simulator in neither portrait or landscape mode. Can you 
 elaborate or post a screenshot?


Thank you to anonymous and yourself for the hard work.

On the mobile version (Android) the “Replies” column has gone, 
and with it the link to the first unread message. Is there any 
plan to add it back?

This link was useful to me. Yet the link to the last message is 
still present in the “Last Post” column, but it is of low value 
in my opinion.
Jan 21 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 21 January 2016 at 21:14:34 UTC, mate wrote:

 Thank you to anonymous and yourself for the hard work.

 On the mobile version (Android) the “Replies” column has gone, 
 and with it the link to the first unread message. Is there any 
 plan to add it back?

 This link was useful to me. Yet the link to the last message is 
 still present in the “Last Post” column, but it is of low value 
 in my opinion.


OK, I added it back.
Jan 21 2016
next sibling parent reply tsbockman <thomas.bockman gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 21 January 2016 at 21:21:18 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 [...]


The "Thread Overview" bar is only visible on the first page of a 
thread. Is this by design?

It would be really nice if it appeared at the top of every page, 
rather than just the first.
Jan 21 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 21 January 2016 at 21:27:31 UTC, tsbockman wrote:

 On Thursday, 21 January 2016 at 21:21:18 UTC, Vladimir 
 Panteleev wrote:

 [...]


 The "Thread Overview" bar is only visible on the first page of 
 a thread. Is this by design?


Yes, currently by design.


 It would be really nice if it appeared at the top of every 
 page, rather than just the first.


Noted. This seems to be a highly requested feature.
Jan 21 2016
parent tsbockman <thomas.bockman gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 21 January 2016 at 21:29:19 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 Noted. This seems to be a highly requested feature.


Thanks. I didn't see a reply from you, so I wasn't sure if you 
had noticed the earlier questions about this.
Jan 21 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent mate <aiueo aiueo.aiueo> writes:
On Thursday, 21 January 2016 at 21:21:18 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 On Thursday, 21 January 2016 at 21:14:34 UTC, mate wrote:

 Thank you to anonymous and yourself for the hard work.

 On the mobile version (Android) the “Replies” column has gone, 
 and with it the link to the first unread message. Is there any 
 plan to add it back?

 This link was useful to me. Yet the link to the last message 
 is still present in the “Last Post” column, but it is of low 
 value in my opinion.


 OK, I added it back.


I confirmed it’s back. Thank you very much.
Jan 21 2016
prev sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2016-01-21 22:21, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:


 OK, I added it back.


The "Replies" column is still wider than it needs to be. Here's an 
example [1]. The green part is the padding, which looks fine. But why is 
there some much extra space in the blue part? If you open both the 
simulator and Safari there's a "Simulator" menu item in the "Develop" 
menu in Safari. You might need to enable the develop menu in the 
preferences pane (Safari -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Show Develop menu 
in bar).

Alternatively could we come up with a symbol or icon instead of the text 
"Replies", assuming that's why it's so wide?

[1] http://imgur.com/oQHcnTK

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 22 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 at 16:58:56 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2016-01-21 22:21, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:


 OK, I added it back.


 The "Replies" column is still wider than it needs to be. Here's 
 an example [1]. The green part is the padding, which looks 
 fine. But why is there some much extra space in the blue part? 
 If you open both the simulator and Safari there's a "Simulator" 
 menu item in the "Develop" menu in Safari. You might need to 
 enable the develop menu in the preferences pane (Safari -> 
 Preferences -> Advanced -> Show Develop menu in bar).

 Alternatively could we come up with a symbol or icon instead of 
 the text "Replies", assuming that's why it's so wide?


It is not wide because of the column heading, but because of the 
second "(123 new)" line that can appear in partially-read 
threads. And if we word-break that into two lines, that will 
increase the height of each column.

Maybe we could just hide the " new" for very narrow screens...


 [1] http://imgur.com/oQHcnTK


The font size looks larger than I recall seeing it in the iOS 
simulator. I'm switching OSes so can't look at the moment though.

I'm thinking that the end-all solution would probably be a font 
size adjustment setting.
Jan 24 2016
parent reply bubbasaur <bubba gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 24 January 2016 at 10:39:51 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 The font size looks larger than I recall seeing it in the iOS 
 simulator. I'm switching OSes so can't look at the moment 
 though.

 I'm thinking that the end-all solution would probably be a font 
 size adjustment setting.


So talking about fonts, in this page: 
http://dlang.org/spec/const3.html at the end:

"Implicit Conversions" - The table is missing the ticks over the 
conversions. Look what I'm seeing there: 
http://i.imgur.com/L4a6bx6.png

Bubba.
Feb 02 2016
parent reply ZombineDev <valid_email he.re> writes:
On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 01:55:16 UTC, bubbasaur wrote:

 On Sunday, 24 January 2016 at 10:39:51 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
 wrote:

 The font size looks larger than I recall seeing it in the iOS 
 simulator. I'm switching OSes so can't look at the moment 
 though.

 I'm thinking that the end-all solution would probably be a 
 font size adjustment setting.


 So talking about fonts, in this page: 
 http://dlang.org/spec/const3.html at the end:

 "Implicit Conversions" - The table is missing the ticks over 
 the conversions. Look what I'm seeing there: 
 http://i.imgur.com/L4a6bx6.png

 Bubba.


That's strange. Here's what I get: http://imgur.com/SZbJedj on 
Chrome 48, Ubuntu 15.10 amd64.

What browser, OS, etc. are you using?
Feb 03 2016
parent reply Bubbasaur <bubba gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 14:19:14 UTC, ZombineDev wrote:

 That's strange. Here's what I get: http://imgur.com/SZbJedj on 
 Chrome 48, Ubuntu 15.10 amd64.

 What browser, OS, etc. are you using?


Using Chrome and I just have Ublock Origin here, I tried 
dev-tools and there are NO errors or anything, them I changed the 
Font family from "ROBOT SLAB" to "SAN SERIF" and this is what I 
got: http://i.imgur.com/zuaLXx0.png

Bubba.
Feb 03 2016
parent reply ZombineDev <valid_email he.re> writes:
On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 14:38:16 UTC, Bubbasaur wrote:

 On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 14:19:14 UTC, ZombineDev wrote:

 That's strange. Here's what I get: http://imgur.com/SZbJedj on 
 Chrome 48, Ubuntu 15.10 amd64.

 What browser, OS, etc. are you using?


 Using Chrome and I just have Ublock Origin here, I tried 
 dev-tools and there are NO errors or anything, them I changed 
 the Font family from "ROBOT SLAB" to "SAN SERIF" and this is 
 what I got: http://i.imgur.com/zuaLXx0.png

 Bubba.


And which version of Chrome are you using and on what OS?
Feb 03 2016
parent Bubbasaur <bubba mail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 at 16:59:13 UTC, ZombineDev wrote:

 And which version of Chrome are you using and on what OS?


I think it's something with my OS (Windows), because in Firefox 
it isn't working too. And about the Chrome version it's the 
latest.

On android/KitKat 4.4 I can see the icons.

Bubba.
Feb 03 2016
prev sibling parent reply Enamex <enamex+d outlook.com> writes:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:
On Monday, 18 January 2016 at 10:20:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 - Disabled text-size-adjust (font size inflation on mobile 
 browsers)
 - Removed font size changing depending on window width
 - Tweaked forum and group index background colors
 - Various fixes, including:
   - "Current thread" and other labels not fitting in the search 
 dropdown
   - Height calculations for the split view modes
   - Restrict breadcrumbs to one line

 2. Page width, especially in horizontal-split mode

 As mentioned above, the navigation has been made narrower and 
 the content wider, and the horizontal-split view mode can fit 
 73 characters at its widest. Hopefully this should be 
 sufficient. If not I posted some ideas here: 
 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/pull/51#issuecomment-172468784

 As I posted in the previous thread, it would be:

 - GOOD if you are as specific as possible in what can be 
 improved.



I'm not sure if this's the same for everyone but the forum on 
mobile is unusable for me now. The thread titles are so squished 
next to the Last Post column that barely 2 words, max, show from 
the title. I forgot (yes) how it'd been in the old design but 
maybe have the 'columns' aligned horizontally in the new design 
on narrow screens?
Jan 22 2016
parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 at 09:16:37 UTC, Enamex wrote:

 I'm not sure if this's the same for everyone but the forum on 
 mobile is unusable for me now. The thread titles are so 
 squished next to the Last Post column that barely 2 words, max, 
 show from the title. I forgot (yes) how it'd been in the old 
 design but maybe have the 'columns' aligned horizontally in the 
 new design on narrow screens?


It is a hard problem.

I've now removed the avatars in very narrow post listings to make 
more room for thread titles.
Jan 22 2016
parent deed <none none.none> writes:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 at 09:55:42 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 I've now removed the avatars in very narrow post listings to 
 make more room for thread titles.


Seems as a good move; the widths are much better now on mobile.

On my wishlist is
- page navigation also at the top (first, prev, 1,2,3,..., next, 
last)
- forum navigation also at the bottom (index, learn, general, 
announce, etc.)

That would avoid a lot of annoying scrolling when used with an 
account in a browser.
Jan 22 2016