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reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
I'm finding myself unable to set up my own Gravatar picture with dfeed. 
This is because I post on this newsgroup as 
SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org, which is a non-existent email address. 
Gravatar, however, requires the email to point to an attended mailbox 
because they send you the activation link to it.

I already have a Gravatar account set up with my actual email address. 
What steps could I take to associate my newsgroup post email with my 
actual Gravatar account?


Thanks,

Andrei
Dec 11 2011
next sibling parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Sunday, 11 December 2011 at 21:03:31 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:

 I'm finding myself unable to set up my own Gravatar picture 
 with dfeed. This is because I post on this newsgroup as 
 SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org, which is a non-existent email 
 address. Gravatar, however, requires the email to point to an 
 attended mailbox because they send you the activation link to 
 it.

 I already have a Gravatar account set up with my actual email 
 address. What steps could I take to associate my newsgroup post 
 email with my actual Gravatar account?


One of the following:

1) Temporarily make SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org a valid e-mail 
address, and validate it on Gravatar. This will allow you to set 
up a picture for it. However, Gravatar profile links only work 
with the "primary" e-mail address on your Gravatar account.

2) Post with a valid e-mail address? I use a working e-mail 
address, which redirects to Gmail. Uncaught spam is a very rare 
occurrence (less than once a month). It is possible to use Gmail 
as a spam filter, since it can both download e-mail from another 
POP/IMAP server, and redirect it after it's been filtered.

3) It would be possible to add some kind of feature on DFeed 
which would allow you to specify your real e-mail address, which 
would be sent (obfuscated) as an extra header. DFeed would 
recognize this header and use it for Gravatar display. It is 
probably not worth complicating the UI for this, though.

3b) We could decide on an e-mail munging scheme that DFeed can 
recognize for Gravatar displays.
Dec 11 2011
next sibling parent "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Sunday, 11 December 2011 at 21:14:25 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 On Sunday, 11 December 2011 at 21:03:31 UTC, Andrei 
 Alexandrescu wrote:

 I'm finding myself unable to set up my own Gravatar picture 
 with dfeed. This is because I post on this newsgroup as 
 SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org, which is a non-existent email 
 address. Gravatar, however, requires the email to point to an 
 attended mailbox because they send you the activation link to 
 it.

 I already have a Gravatar account set up with my actual email 
 address. What steps could I take to associate my newsgroup 
 post email with my actual Gravatar account?


 One of the following:


4) A server-side override that replaces 
"SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org" with the real e-mail address for 
Gravatars. It doesn't scale, though :)
Dec 11 2011
prev sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> wrote in message 
news:zozzeqblwmmqfbyfyitw dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net...

 2) Post with a valid e-mail address? I use a working e-mail address, which 
 redirects to Gmail. Uncaught spam is a very rare occurrence (less than 
 once a month).


I get considerably less spam than even that. And I get *guaranteed* zero 
false positives. Yes, that's right.

I do this by never advertising my real address in spammer harvest grounds 
(like NGs), or to websites, and by never using spam filters. I've been doing 
this for years and it works better than any spam filter that has ever or 
will ever be in existence.

Spam filters (much like just about anything Google is big into) are a 
fundamentally broken approach.


 It is possible to use Gmail as a spam filter, since it can both download 
 e-mail from another POP/IMAP server, and redirect it after it's been 
 filtered.

 3) It would be possible to add some kind of feature on DFeed which would 
 allow you to specify your real e-mail address, which would be sent 
 (obfuscated) as an extra header. DFeed would recognize this header and use 
 it for Gravatar display. It is probably not worth complicating the UI for 
 this, though.

 3b) We could decide on an e-mail munging scheme that DFeed can recognize 
 for Gravatar displays.


I actually use Gravitar and I'm convinced it's really not that great of a 
site in the first place. The whole approach is all wrong.
Dec 11 2011
parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Monday, 12 December 2011 at 06:15:02 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
wrote:

 Spam filters (much like just about anything Google is big into) 
 are a fundamentally broken approach.


 From a practical perspective, the hassle of being paranoid about 
spam is overweighted by the insignificant inconveniences of a 
good spam filter.

Also, not publishing your e-mail address is not fool-proof. Two 
of the people who have contacted me previously have had their 
accounts hacked, so I started receiving spam from them (these are 
the rare false negatives I mentioned). I think it's safe to say 
that my address was also added to those spammers' general lists.

And that's not to mention the occasional technically incompetent 
person from some organization/event you had contact with that 
will publish your address on the web for you.


 I actually use Gravitar and I'm convinced it's really not that 
 great of a site in the first place. The whole approach is all 
 wrong.


How is it wrong and how would you make it better? The idea is 
great for average netizens.
Dec 12 2011
parent Peter Alexander <peter.alexander.au gmail.com> writes:
On 12/12/11 4:53 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Monday, 12 December 2011 at 06:15:02 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 Spam filters (much like just about anything Google is big into) are a
 fundamentally broken approach.


  From a practical perspective, the hassle of being paranoid about spam
 is overweighted by the insignificant inconveniences of a good spam filter.

 Also, not publishing your e-mail address is not fool-proof. Two of the
 people who have contacted me previously have had their accounts hacked,
 so I started receiving spam from them (these are the rare false
 negatives I mentioned). I think it's safe to say that my address was
 also added to those spammers' general lists.

 And that's not to mention the occasional technically incompetent person
 from some organization/event you had contact with that will publish your
 address on the web for you.


In Andrei's particular case, his email is already out there in plain 
text. I get 85 pages on Google when I search for it in double-quotes, 
the majority from this newsgroup.

My email gets 8780 hits on Google, and I don't think I've seen any spam 
get through Gmail's filter (I get about 1-2 spam messages in the spam 
folder a day).

Make of that what you will.
Dec 12 2011
prev sibling parent reply Caligo <iteronvexor gmail.com> writes:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu <
SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 I'm finding myself unable to set up my own Gravatar picture with dfeed.
 This is because I post on this newsgroup as SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org,
 which is a non-existent email address. Gravatar, however, requires the
 email to point to an attended mailbox because they send you the activation
 link to it.

 I already have a Gravatar account set up with my actual email address.
 What steps could I take to associate my newsgroup post email with my actual
 Gravatar account?


 Thanks,

 Andrei


OT, but what is your email address for TDPL Errata?  I wanted to send in a
correction, but the link 'contact Andrei' is broken.
Dec 17 2011
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/17/11 10:51 PM, Caligo wrote:

 On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu
 <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org <mailto:SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>>
 wrote:

     I'm finding myself unable to set up my own Gravatar picture with
     dfeed. This is because I post on this newsgroup as
     SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org
     <mailto:SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>, which is a non-existent
     email address. Gravatar, however, requires the email to point to an
     attended mailbox because they send you the activation link to it.

     I already have a Gravatar account set up with my actual email
     address. What steps could I take to associate my newsgroup post
     email with my actual Gravatar account?


     Thanks,

     Andrei


 OT, but what is your email address for TDPL Errata?  I wanted to send in
 a correction, but the link 'contact Andrei' is broken.


Sorry. Fixed now.

http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata -> now links "Contact Andrei" to 
http://erdani.com/index.php/contact/.


Andrei
Dec 18 2011
parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 08:49:26 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:

 Sorry. Fixed now.

 http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata -> now links "Contact Andrei" to 
 http://erdani.com/index.php/contact/.


The link still doesn't work.

The link "contact Andrei" on http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/ links 
to:
http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/index.php?cID=80
which is a redirect to:
http://erdani.com/index.php/books/tdpl/errata
This page looks identical to the errata page, but now the link 
"contact Andrei" links to:
http://erdani.com/index.php/books/tdpl/index.php?cID=80
which leads to a broken 404 page (its html contains:
<title><div class='handwriting'>Andrei Alexandrescu, PhD</div> :: 
</title>
).
Dec 18 2011
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/18/11 1:18 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 08:49:26 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 Sorry. Fixed now.

 http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata -> now links "Contact Andrei" to
 http://erdani.com/index.php/contact/.


 The link still doesn't work.

 The link "contact Andrei" on http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/ links to:
 http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/index.php?cID=80


That's the old link, must be a browser cache thing. The link now goes to 
http://erdani.com/index.php/contact.

Thanks,

Andrei
Dec 18 2011
parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 20:31:07 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:

 On 12/18/11 1:18 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 08:49:26 UTC, Andrei 
 Alexandrescu wrote:

 http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata -> now links "Contact Andrei" to
 http://erdani.com/index.php/contact/.


 The link still doesn't work.

 The link "contact Andrei" on http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/ 
 links to:
 http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/index.php?cID=80


 That's the old link, must be a browser cache thing. The link 
 now goes to http://erdani.com/index.php/contact.


I just tried with another browser and clean cache. Same thing.
Dec 18 2011
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/18/11 3:52 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 20:31:07 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 12/18/11 1:18 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 08:49:26 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata -> now links "Contact Andrei" to
 http://erdani.com/index.php/contact/.


 The link still doesn't work.

 The link "contact Andrei" on http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/ links to:
 http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/index.php?cID=80


 That's the old link, must be a browser cache thing. The link now goes
 to http://erdani.com/index.php/contact.


 I just tried with another browser and clean cache. Same thing.


Odd. I cleared the server cache, let me know whether that helps.

Thanks,

Andrei
Dec 18 2011
parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 22:27:08 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:

 On 12/18/11 3:52 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 20:31:07 UTC, Andrei 
 Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 12/18/11 1:18 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 08:49:26 UTC, Andrei 
 Alexandrescu wrote:

 http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata -> now links "Contact Andrei" 
 to
 http://erdani.com/index.php/contact/.


 The link still doesn't work.

 The link "contact Andrei" on http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/ 
 links to:
 http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/index.php?cID=80


 That's the old link, must be a browser cache thing. The link 
 now goes
 to http://erdani.com/index.php/contact.


 I just tried with another browser and clean cache. Same thing.


 Odd. I cleared the server cache, let me know whether that helps.


I found the problem: I was talking about the link at the top, 
before the table. The one below the table works.
Dec 18 2011
parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/18/11 4:36 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 22:27:08 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 12/18/11 3:52 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 20:31:07 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 12/18/11 1:18 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Sunday, 18 December 2011 at 08:49:26 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
 wrote:

 http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata -> now links "Contact Andrei" to
 http://erdani.com/index.php/contact/.


 The link still doesn't work.

 The link "contact Andrei" on http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/ links to:
 http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/index.php?cID=80


 That's the old link, must be a browser cache thing. The link now goes
 to http://erdani.com/index.php/contact.


 I just tried with another browser and clean cache. Same thing.


 Odd. I cleared the server cache, let me know whether that helps.


 I found the problem: I was talking about the link at the top, before the
 table. The one below the table works.


Ouch. Thanks for getting to the bottom of this! Fixed now - or so I 
think :o).

Andrei
Dec 18 2011