• hehe45 (4/4) Dec 08 2009 I haven't been following the newgroup closely, so I don't know if this h...
• Bill Baxter (4/6) Dec 08 2009 Search for "I hate my body".
• retard (5/13) Dec 08 2009 Yes, yet another thread started but basically nothing happened. How
• Lutger (7/22) Dec 08 2009 That's usually more of a business thing though, when you write the featu...
• retard (14/40) Dec 08 2009 I don't expect him to respond to all requests, most of the new threads
• Jesse Phillips (11/17) Dec 08 2009 Those threads of 500+ posts are usually because the community doesn't

hehe45 <a3161739 uggsrock.com> writes:

I haven't been following the newgroup closely, so I don't know if this has
already been discussed, but I wanted to make a few suggestions before D2 is
finalized.
I think the "body" keyword is completly useless unless it is required because
of parsing issues.
It would also be great if the order of the "in" and "out" contracts would not
be fixed by the compiler, so they could be written in any order around the
function body, so one could put the "out" contract after the function for
example.
These improvements could be added to D1 too.

Bill Baxter <wbaxter gmail.com> writes:

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, hehe45 <a3161739 uggsrock.com> wrote:
 I haven't been following the newgroup closely, so I don't know if this has
already been discussed, but I wanted to make a few suggestions before D2 is
finalized.
 I think the "body" keyword is completly useless unless it is required because
of parsing issues.

Search for "I hate my body".
That was the title of the thread started a while back.


--bb

retard <re tard.com.invalid> writes:

Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:59:10 -0800, Bill Baxter wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, hehe45 <a3161739 uggsrock.com> wrote:
 I haven't been following the newgroup closely, so I don't know if this
 has already been discussed, but I wanted to make a few suggestions
 before D2 is finalized. I think the "body" keyword is completly useless
 unless it is required because of parsing issues.

 
 Search for "I hate my body".
 That was the title of the thread started a while back.

Yes, yet another thread started but basically nothing happened. How 
frustating it is that Walter never expresses his intentions before a new 
release? This kind of mentality is from early 20th century. Nowadays all 
agile projects clearly define the goals for the next sprint.

Lutger <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com> writes:

retard wrote:

 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:59:10 -0800, Bill Baxter wrote:
 
 On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, hehe45 <a3161739 uggsrock.com> wrote:
 I haven't been following the newgroup closely, so I don't know if this
 has already been discussed, but I wanted to make a few suggestions
 before D2 is finalized. I think the "body" keyword is completly useless
 unless it is required because of parsing issues.

 
 Search for "I hate my body".
 That was the title of the thread started a while back.

 
 Yes, yet another thread started but basically nothing happened. How
 frustating it is that Walter never expresses his intentions before a new
 release? This kind of mentality is from early 20th century. Nowadays all
 agile projects clearly define the goals for the next sprint.

That's usually more of a business thing though, when you write the features 
other people prioritize. 

Besides, image Walter responding to all requests, these threads generally 
explode pretty fast. How much time do you think he will have left to 
actually work on the compiler? I wonder how Andrei manages his level of 
participation in the newsgroups.

retard <re tard.com.invalid> writes:

Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:44:24 +0100, Lutger wrote:

 retard wrote:
 
 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:59:10 -0800, Bill Baxter wrote:
 
 On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM, hehe45 <a3161739 uggsrock.com> wrote:
 I haven't been following the newgroup closely, so I don't know if
 this has already been discussed, but I wanted to make a few
 suggestions before D2 is finalized. I think the "body" keyword is
 completly useless unless it is required because of parsing issues.

 
 Search for "I hate my body".
 That was the title of the thread started a while back.

 
 Yes, yet another thread started but basically nothing happened. How
 frustating it is that Walter never expresses his intentions before a
 new release? This kind of mentality is from early 20th century.
 Nowadays all agile projects clearly define the goals for the next
 sprint.

 
 That's usually more of a business thing though, when you write the
 features other people prioritize.
 
 Besides, image Walter responding to all requests, these threads
 generally explode pretty fast. How much time do you think he will have
 left to actually work on the compiler? I wonder how Andrei manages his
 level of participation in the newsgroups.

I don't expect him to respond to all requests, most of the new threads 
are silly bikeshedding. But there are often megathreads with 500+ posts. 
If some feature seems so important to the majority and especially to 
veteran users, I expect some kind of opinion also from the language's 
author. I expect the Andrei's book to have a major effect on the release 
date of D2. A clear roadmap is definitely something that would help now.

You somehow seem to assume that his only work is to write the compiler. 
As an author of the language he indeed also has to make all kinds of 
design decisions. In the end it is Walter who's in charge of everything. 
Andrei's participation surely helps, he has lots of experience and brain 
capacity, often also great, perhaps even radical, new ideas. Walter never 
expresses his opinions nor intentions. I cannot know by inspecting dmd 
what d actually should do since those features can also be bugs.

Jesse Phillips <jessekphillips+D gmail.com> writes:

retard wrote:

 I don't expect him to respond to all requests, most of the new threads 
 are silly bikeshedding. But there are often megathreads with 500+ posts. 
 If some feature seems so important to the majority and especially to 
 veteran users, I expect some kind of opinion also from the language's 
 author. I expect the Andrei's book to have a major effect on the release 
 date of D2. A clear roadmap is definitely something that would help now.

Those threads of 500+ posts are usually because the community doesn't
have consensus on what to do. Though if Walter/Andrei are the
only ones against the idea then the thread could be that large. Though
many of the ideas in those threads get snuck into a later release.

I think it is good that Walter pushes back on the community as hard as he 
does. It of course would be nice if final decision wasn't packed as a
surprise for the next release (now commit). Who knows maybe next release 
will have non-nullable types as the default.

Personally I don't have an issue with the body keyword, nor that order
is mandated. Having a random order to in, out seems pointless.