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reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
An update just to support Mac OSX 10.6. That also means the end of the 
line for official support of 10.5 and earlier.

http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.051.zip
Nov 12 2009
next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Fixed url:

http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.052.zip
Nov 12 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Walter Bright" <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote in message 
news:hdim1s$30m8$1 digitalmars.com...

 An update just to support Mac OSX 10.6. That also means the end of the 
 line for official support of 10.5 and earlier.

 http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.051.zip


I propose that the first person to complain about the withdrawn 10.5 support 
be obligated to wear a "Welcome to Apple" sticker on their forehead for the 
rest of the day. (Hell, if I'm stuck with this "Beware of smartass" 
sticker...just...won't...come off...)
Nov 12 2009
next sibling parent BCS <none anon.com> writes:
Hello Nick,


 "Walter Bright" <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:hdim1s$30m8$1 digitalmars.com...
 

 An update just to support Mac OSX 10.6. That also means the end of
 the line for official support of 10.5 and earlier.
 
 http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.051.zip
 


 I propose that the first person to complain about the withdrawn 10.5
 support be obligated to wear a "Welcome to Apple" sticker on their
 forehead for the rest of the day. (Hell, if I'm stuck with this
 "Beware of smartass" sticker...just...won't...come off...)
 


Better yet, they get to maintain a backport!
Nov 12 2009
prev sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 "Walter Bright" <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote in message 
 news:hdim1s$30m8$1 digitalmars.com...

 An update just to support Mac OSX 10.6. That also means the end of the 
 line for official support of 10.5 and earlier.

 http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.051.zip


 
 I propose that the first person to complain about the withdrawn 10.5 support 
 be obligated to wear a "Welcome to Apple" sticker on their forehead for the 
 rest of the day. (Hell, if I'm stuck with this "Beware of smartass" 
 sticker...just...won't...come off...)


There is still dmd 1.051, which isn't going away. dmd 1.052 may even 
work fine on 10.5, it just won't be supported on 10.5.

BTW, the 10.6 upgrade for the Apple C compiler, etc., seems to have 
broken support for 10.4.
Nov 12 2009
next sibling parent reply Sean Kelly <sean invisibleduck.org> writes:
Walter Bright Wrote:

 
 BTW, the 10.6 upgrade for the Apple C compiler, etc., seems to have 
 broken support for 10.4.


The 10.4 libraries aren't installed by default, even if you install the
developer package.  No idea if that would fix things though.  And Apple doesn't
support 10.4 anyway.
Nov 12 2009
parent Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Sean Kelly wrote:

 Walter Bright Wrote:

 BTW, the 10.6 upgrade for the Apple C compiler, etc., seems to have
  broken support for 10.4.


 
 The 10.4 libraries aren't installed by default, even if you install
 the developer package.  No idea if that would fix things though.  And
 Apple doesn't support 10.4 anyway.


I installed everything that came on the upgrade DVD.

The OSX makefiles all broke.
Nov 12 2009
prev sibling parent reply Anders Bergh <anders1 gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 06:06, Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote:

 Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 "Walter Bright" <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:hdim1s$30m8$1 digitalmars.com...

 An update just to support Mac OSX 10.6. That also means the end of the
 line for official support of 10.5 and earlier.

 http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.051.zip


 I propose that the first person to complain about the withdrawn 10.5
 support be obligated to wear a "Welcome to Apple" sticker on their forehead
 for the rest of the day. (Hell, if I'm stuck with this "Beware of smartass"
 sticker...just...won't...come off...)


 There is still dmd 1.051, which isn't going away. dmd 1.052 may even work
 fine on 10.5, it just won't be supported on 10.5.

 BTW, the 10.6 upgrade for the Apple C compiler, etc., seems to have broken
 support for 10.4.


No, but you'll need to use the 10.4 SDK (it's optional when you
install Xcode though). Same problem as last time, between 10.4 and
10.5. But any binaries you compile for 10.4 should work on 10.6 as
well.

-- 
Anders Bergh
Nov 12 2009
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Anders Bergh wrote:

 No, but you'll need to use the 10.4 SDK (it's optional when you
 install Xcode though). Same problem as last time, between 10.4 and
 10.5. But any binaries you compile for 10.4 should work on 10.6 as
 well.


I did have the 10.4 SDK installed, but apparently the upgrade deleted it 
because the makefiles that referred to it all broke.
Nov 12 2009
parent reply Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> writes:
On 2009-11-13 01:52:07 -0500, Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> said:


 Anders Bergh wrote:

 No, but you'll need to use the 10.4 SDK (it's optional when you
 install Xcode though). Same problem as last time, between 10.4 and
 10.5. But any binaries you compile for 10.4 should work on 10.6 as
 well.


 
 I did have the 10.4 SDK installed, but apparently the upgrade deleted 
 it because the makefiles that referred to it all broke.


Yeah, it does so. Unless you check the "Mac OS X 10.4 Support" 
subpackage, which is unchecked by default, in the custom installation 
panel of the Xcode installer.

Also, you can keep your old installations of Xcode on 10.6. I have 
Xcode 2.5 from Tiger, 3.0 and 3.1 from Leopard, and 3.2 from Snow 
Leopard running all side by side just fine on my computer. This 
includes both the IDE and the command line utilities. Even the old 
compilers and linkers work fine. Before installing a new version, I 
just rename the old "/Developer" folder to something else so the new 
one won't override it. It is documented to work in the Read Me file 
accompanying Xcode, and it does indeed work fine.

-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.fortin michelf.com
http://michelf.com/
Nov 13 2009
parent Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Michel Fortin wrote:

 On 2009-11-13 01:52:07 -0500, Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> 
 said:
 

 Anders Bergh wrote:

 No, but you'll need to use the 10.4 SDK (it's optional when you
 install Xcode though). Same problem as last time, between 10.4 and
 10.5. But any binaries you compile for 10.4 should work on 10.6 as
 well.


 I did have the 10.4 SDK installed, but apparently the upgrade deleted 
 it because the makefiles that referred to it all broke.


 
 Yeah, it does so. Unless you check the "Mac OS X 10.4 Support" 
 subpackage, which is unchecked by default, in the custom installation 
 panel of the Xcode installer.
 
 Also, you can keep your old installations of Xcode on 10.6. I have Xcode 
 2.5 from Tiger, 3.0 and 3.1 from Leopard, and 3.2 from Snow Leopard 
 running all side by side just fine on my computer. This includes both 
 the IDE and the command line utilities. Even the old compilers and 
 linkers work fine. Before installing a new version, I just rename the 
 old "/Developer" folder to something else so the new one won't override 
 it. It is documented to work in the Read Me file accompanying Xcode, and 
 it does indeed work fine.


Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it. I thought I had checked all the 
checkboxes <g>.
Nov 13 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:

 An update just to support Mac OSX 10.6.


What is with the spelling of Mac OS X ?
Seems consistent throughout, just wrong.


 That also means the end of the line
 for official support of 10.5 and earlier.


Bye-bye, DMD.

--anders
Nov 13 2009
prev sibling parent reply "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:07:21 +0300, Walter Bright  
<newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote:


 An update just to support Mac OSX 10.6. That also means the end of the  
 line for official support of 10.5 and earlier.

 http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.051.zip


Isn't there any way to support both platforms?

Looking at the changes, I think it's even possible to add a new DMD flag  
(e.g. "-osx=10.5", defaults to 10.6) and keep an older behavior on demand.

Alternatively, you could wrap the changes you made into #ifdef OSX_10_6  
... #else ... #endif so that users could compile DMD with older Macs  
support from source. DMD would then be distributed with 2 binaries, e.g.  
dmd_10.6 and dmd_10.5 and dmd would be an alias/symlink to either of them  
(depending on the target platform).
Nov 13 2009
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Denis Koroskin wrote:

 On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:07:21 +0300, Walter Bright 
 <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote:
 

 An update just to support Mac OSX 10.6. That also means the end of the 
 line for official support of 10.5 and earlier.

 http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.051.zip


 
 Isn't there any way to support both platforms?


No way to test on 10.5 without buying yet another machine. I don't know 
if it works or not on 10.5. The "bus error" for 10.4 is probably back 
because installing the 10.6 dev system from Apple seems to have deleted 
the 10.4 stuff.

If someone wants to test it on 10.5, please do and report back with the 
results. If it does not, and there's some simple change to make it do 
so, I'll be happy to fold it in.



 Looking at the changes, I think it's even possible to add a new DMD flag 
 (e.g. "-osx=10.5", defaults to 10.6) and keep an older behavior on demand.


The compiler changes should be backwards compatible with 10.5. (The 
reason it didn't work with 10.6 is Apple changed the linker behavior; I 
found a workaround which appears successful.)



 Alternatively, you could wrap the changes you made into #ifdef OSX_10_6 
 ... #else ... #endif so that users could compile DMD with older Macs 
 support from source. DMD would then be distributed with 2 binaries, e.g. 
 dmd_10.6 and dmd_10.5 and dmd would be an alias/symlink to either of 
 them (depending on the target platform).


On Windows I can build one binary that works from NT to Win7, a 20 year 
span of operating systems.
Nov 13 2009
next sibling parent reply Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> writes:
On 2009-11-13 05:20:44 -0500, Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> said:


 No way to test on 10.5 without buying yet another machine. I don't know 
 if it works or not on 10.5. The "bus error" for 10.4 is probably back 
 because installing the 10.6 dev system from Apple seems to have deleted 
 the 10.4 stuff.


Really? Can't you just partition your hard disk in two for 10.5? I'm 
not saying you should take the burden of testing with both, but saying 
you can't install 10.5 alongside 10.6 seems dubious to me:

1. Use Disk Utility to resize your current partition and create a new one.
2. Boot using your 10.5 installer DVD and install on the new partition.
3. Press option at startup to see a boot menu; open the Startup 
preference pane to set the default boot partition (or use "bless" on 
the command line).


-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.fortin michelf.com
http://michelf.com/
Nov 13 2009
next sibling parent BCS <none anon.com> writes:
Hello Michel,


 Really? Can't you just partition your hard disk in two for 10.5? I'm
 not saying you should take the burden of testing with both, but saying
 you can't install 10.5 alongside 10.6 seems dubious to me:
 
 1. Use Disk Utility to resize your current partition and create a new
 one.
 2. Boot using your 10.5 installer DVD and install on the new
 partition.
 3. Press option at startup to see a boot menu; open the Startup
 preference pane to set the default boot partition (or use "bless" on
 the command line).


IIRC Walter mentioned in the NG that his mac box is running as a headless 
box in the basement somewhere so boot switching might be annoying.
Nov 13 2009
prev sibling parent Daniel de Kok <me nowhere.nospam> writes:
On 2009-11-13 14:55:12 +0100, Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> said:

 Really? Can't you just partition your hard disk in two for 10.5? I'm 
 not saying you should take the burden of testing with both, but saying 
 you can't install 10.5 alongside 10.6 seems dubious to me:
 
 1. Use Disk Utility to resize your current partition and create a new one.
 2. Boot using your 10.5 installer DVD and install on the new partition.
 3. Press option at startup to see a boot menu; open the Startup 
 preference pane to set the default boot partition (or use "bless" on 
 the command line).


Why go through the hassle of dual booting? Kernel ABI compatibility is 
usually quite good in OS X, so it should be not problem to unpack the 
Darwin userland somewhere and chroot into it for 10.5 testing...

Take care,
Daniel
Nov 14 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 11/13/09 11:20, Walter Bright wrote:

 Denis Koroskin wrote:

 On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:07:21 +0300, Walter Bright
 <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote:


 An update just to support Mac OSX 10.6. That also means the end of
 the line for official support of 10.5 and earlier.

 http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.051.zip


 Isn't there any way to support both platforms?


 No way to test on 10.5 without buying yet another machine. I don't know
 if it works or not on 10.5. The "bus error" for 10.4 is probably back
 because installing the 10.6 dev system from Apple seems to have deleted
 the 10.4 stuff.

 If someone wants to test it on 10.5, please do and report back with the
 results. If it does not, and there's some simple change to make it do
 so, I'll be happy to fold it in.


Can't you wrap the changes you made in:

SInt32 MacVersion;
if (Gestalt(gestaltSystemVersion, &MacVersion) == noErr)
	if (MacVersion >= 0x1050 && MacVersion < 0x1060)
		// Mac OS X 10.5.x code goes here

	else if (MacVersion >= 0x1060)
		// Mac OS X 10.6.x code goes here
	


 Looking at the changes, I think it's even possible to add a new DMD
 flag (e.g. "-osx=10.5", defaults to 10.6) and keep an older behavior
 on demand.


 The compiler changes should be backwards compatible with 10.5. (The
 reason it didn't work with 10.6 is Apple changed the linker behavior; I
 found a workaround which appears successful.)



 Alternatively, you could wrap the changes you made into #ifdef
 OSX_10_6 ... #else ... #endif so that users could compile DMD with
 older Macs support from source. DMD would then be distributed with 2
 binaries, e.g. dmd_10.6 and dmd_10.5 and dmd would be an alias/symlink
 to either of them (depending on the target platform).


 On Windows I can build one binary that works from NT to Win7, a 20 year
 span of operating systems.
Nov 13 2009
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 11/13/09 15:30, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 11/13/09 11:20, Walter Bright wrote:

 Denis Koroskin wrote:

 On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:07:21 +0300, Walter Bright
 <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote:


 An update just to support Mac OSX 10.6. That also means the end of
 the line for official support of 10.5 and earlier.

 http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.051.zip


 Isn't there any way to support both platforms?


 No way to test on 10.5 without buying yet another machine. I don't know
 if it works or not on 10.5. The "bus error" for 10.4 is probably back
 because installing the 10.6 dev system from Apple seems to have deleted
 the 10.4 stuff.

 If someone wants to test it on 10.5, please do and report back with the
 results. If it does not, and there's some simple change to make it do
 so, I'll be happy to fold it in.


 Can't you wrap the changes you made in:

 SInt32 MacVersion;
 if (Gestalt(gestaltSystemVersion, &MacVersion) == noErr)
 if (MacVersion >= 0x1050 && MacVersion < 0x1060)
 // Mac OS X 10.5.x code goes here

 else if (MacVersion >= 0x1060)
 // Mac OS X 10.6.x code goes here


That would be Mac OS X 10.6.x and later


 Looking at the changes, I think it's even possible to add a new DMD
 flag (e.g. "-osx=10.5", defaults to 10.6) and keep an older behavior
 on demand.


 The compiler changes should be backwards compatible with 10.5. (The
 reason it didn't work with 10.6 is Apple changed the linker behavior; I
 found a workaround which appears successful.)



 Alternatively, you could wrap the changes you made into #ifdef
 OSX_10_6 ... #else ... #endif so that users could compile DMD with
 older Macs support from source. DMD would then be distributed with 2
 binaries, e.g. dmd_10.6 and dmd_10.5 and dmd would be an alias/symlink
 to either of them (depending on the target platform).


 On Windows I can build one binary that works from NT to Win7, a 20 year
 span of operating systems.
Nov 13 2009
parent "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:31:13 +0300, Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> wrote:


 On 11/13/09 15:30, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 11/13/09 11:20, Walter Bright wrote:

 Denis Koroskin wrote:

 On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:07:21 +0300, Walter Bright
 <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote:


 An update just to support Mac OSX 10.6. That also means the end of
 the line for official support of 10.5 and earlier.

 http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.051.zip


 Isn't there any way to support both platforms?


 No way to test on 10.5 without buying yet another machine. I don't know
 if it works or not on 10.5. The "bus error" for 10.4 is probably back
 because installing the 10.6 dev system from Apple seems to have deleted
 the 10.4 stuff.

 If someone wants to test it on 10.5, please do and report back with the
 results. If it does not, and there's some simple change to make it do
 so, I'll be happy to fold it in.


 Can't you wrap the changes you made in:

 SInt32 MacVersion;
 if (Gestalt(gestaltSystemVersion, &MacVersion) == noErr)
 if (MacVersion >= 0x1050 && MacVersion < 0x1060)
 // Mac OS X 10.5.x code goes here

 else if (MacVersion >= 0x1060)
 // Mac OS X 10.6.x code goes here


 That would be Mac OS X 10.6.x and later


 Looking at the changes, I think it's even possible to add a new DMD
 flag (e.g. "-osx=10.5", defaults to 10.6) and keep an older behavior
 on demand.


 The compiler changes should be backwards compatible with 10.5. (The
 reason it didn't work with 10.6 is Apple changed the linker behavior; I
 found a workaround which appears successful.)



 Alternatively, you could wrap the changes you made into #ifdef
 OSX_10_6 ... #else ... #endif so that users could compile DMD with
 older Macs support from source. DMD would then be distributed with 2
 binaries, e.g. dmd_10.6 and dmd_10.5 and dmd would be an alias/symlink
 to either of them (depending on the target platform).


 On Windows I can build one binary that works from NT to Win7, a 20 year
 span of operating systems.






That way you won't be able to produce different executables for both OSX  
10.6 and OSX 10.5 without having the two Operating Systems installed.
Nov 13 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent Long Chang <changedalone gmail.com> writes:
may be use a virtual machine can work. like VMware or XEN.
Nov 13 2009
prev sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 11/13/09 11:20, Walter Bright wrote:

 Denis Koroskin wrote:

 On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:07:21 +0300, Walter Bright
 <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote:


 An update just to support Mac OSX 10.6. That also means the end of
 the line for official support of 10.5 and earlier.

 http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.051.zip


 Isn't there any way to support both platforms?


 No way to test on 10.5 without buying yet another machine. I don't know
 if it works or not on 10.5. The "bus error" for 10.4 is probably back
 because installing the 10.6 dev system from Apple seems to have deleted
 the 10.4 stuff.

 If someone wants to test it on 10.5, please do and report back with the
 results. If it does not, and there's some simple change to make it do
 so, I'll be happy to fold it in.



 Looking at the changes, I think it's even possible to add a new DMD
 flag (e.g. "-osx=10.5", defaults to 10.6) and keep an older behavior
 on demand.


 The compiler changes should be backwards compatible with 10.5. (The
 reason it didn't work with 10.6 is Apple changed the linker behavior; I
 found a workaround which appears successful.)



 Alternatively, you could wrap the changes you made into #ifdef
 OSX_10_6 ... #else ... #endif so that users could compile DMD with
 older Macs support from source. DMD would then be distributed with 2
 binaries, e.g. dmd_10.6 and dmd_10.5 and dmd would be an alias/symlink
 to either of them (depending on the target platform).


 On Windows I can build one binary that works from NT to Win7, a 20 year
 span of operating systems.


I filed an issue with a path attached that as far as I can see fixes the 
dropped Mac OS X 10.5 support. 
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3502
Nov 13 2009