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reply gleb <gleb asd.iao.ru> writes:
Gentlemans,

is it possible to build some version of D for ALT Linux (the biggest russian 
version of Linux and one of most used distributions here, 
http://en.altlinux.org/Main_Page ) and add to the list of available 
downloads? It would be absolutely great to see it in 
http://en.altlinux.org/Sisyphus ...

thank you, with hope :)

-- 

    /GLeb

* Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
Mar 03 2011
next sibling parent reply Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:
On Thursday 03 March 2011 20:37:59 gleb wrote:

 Gentlemans,
 
 is it possible to build some version of D for ALT Linux (the biggest
 russian version of Linux and one of most used distributions here,
 http://en.altlinux.org/Main_Page ) and add to the list of available
 downloads? It would be absolutely great to see it in
 http://en.altlinux.org/Sisyphus ...
 
 thank you, with hope :)


Well, I don't know who produces the rpm or deb, so I don't know how likely it
is 
to get something for ALT Linux. I've never heard of it and have no idea what 
package format it uses.

However, if all you're looking to do is install dmd, then simply download the 
zip file, unzip it somewhere, and add /path/to/unzipped/dmd2/linux/bin to your 
path, and it should work. There's no need to install it in /usr or whatnot. It 
works quite easily from the unzipped zip file.

- Jonathan M Davis
Mar 03 2011
parent reply gleb <gleb asd.iao.ru> writes:
Jonathan M Davis wrote:


 
 Well, I don't know who produces the rpm or deb, so I don't know how likely
 it is to get something for ALT Linux. I've never heard of it and have no
 idea what package format it uses.


It's an very rationalised distribution with big packet base, often mentioned 
as main distribution for so named "schoolar project" (an efforts for 
migration in education and goverment use). So some minimal support for it 
may be very usefull to acquaint developers accross Russia and xUSSR with D.
It uses rpm and apt, patched for rpm. Preparation is very simple, rpm specs 
are rationalised, too. Peoples in ALT and community are friendly, so 
problems may be solved very quickly.


 However, if all you're looking to do is install dmd, then simply download


Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of 
course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :)

thank you!

-- 

    /GLeb

* Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
Mar 04 2011
next sibling parent reply Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:
gleb Wrote:


 Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of 
 course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :)


That will be a problem. See license:
---
The Software is copyrighted and comes with a single user license,
and may not be redistributed. If you wish to obtain a redistribution license,
please contact Digital Mars.
---
Mar 04 2011
parent reply gleb <gleb asd.iao.ru> writes:
Kagamin wrote:


 gleb Wrote:
 

 Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of
 course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :)


 
 That will be a problem. See license:
 ---
 The Software is copyrighted and comes with a single user license,
 and may not be redistributed. If you wish to obtain a redistribution
 license, please contact Digital Mars.


I see. But addition of another option to the list of downloads 
(http://digitalmars.com/d/download.html) will not break the license?

PS: in current state, pushing mentioned Software into the repository, e.g. 
Sisyphus (0.00(001) % from Windows users), probably will not reduce any 
commercial profit, rather increase it by some kind of advertising :)

there are some examples...


-- 

    /GLeb

* Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
Mar 04 2011
next sibling parent reply Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:
On Friday 04 March 2011 02:20:58 gleb wrote:

 Kagamin wrote:

 gleb Wrote:

 Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of
 course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :)


 
 That will be a problem. See license:
 ---
 The Software is copyrighted and comes with a single user license,
 and may not be redistributed. If you wish to obtain a redistribution
 license, please contact Digital Mars.


 
 I see. But addition of another option to the list of downloads
 (http://digitalmars.com/d/download.html) will not break the license?


Linking to the downloads certainly doesn't break any licenses. You're telling 
people where to get it, not distributing it yourself.


 PS: in current state, pushing mentioned Software into the repository, e.g.
 Sisyphus (0.00(001) % from Windows users), probably will not reduce any
 commercial profit, rather increase it by some kind of advertising :)
 
 there are some examples...


If you want to restribute dmd, as long as you have a decent reason, pretty much 
all you have to do is ask Walter for permission. The license stops you from
just 
redistributing it on your own, but Walter gives permission fairly freely.

- Jonathan M Davis
Mar 04 2011
parent reply gleb <gleb asd.iao.ru> writes:
Jonathan M Davis wrote:


 I see. But addition of another option to the list of downloads
 (http://digitalmars.com/d/download.html) will not break the license?


 
 Linking to the downloads certainly doesn't break any licenses. You're
 telling people where to get it, not distributing it yourself.


I see. But the initial question was -- is it possible to assemble dmd for 
specific (but with large community, so it is not somewhat marginal) 
distribution? Sources are not in public, so i can't do it for myself


 PS: in current state, pushing mentioned Software into the repository,
 e.g. Sisyphus (0.00(001) % from Windows users), probably will not reduce
 any commercial profit, rather increase it by some kind of advertising :)
 
 there are some examples...


 
 If you want to restribute dmd, as long as you have a decent reason, pretty


I can contact with ALT's CEO, if you feel it usefull.

-- 

    /GLeb

* Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
Mar 04 2011
next sibling parent "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"gleb" <gleb asd.iao.ru> wrote in message 
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 Jonathan M Davis wrote:


 I see. But addition of another option to the list of downloads
 (http://digitalmars.com/d/download.html) will not break the license?


 Linking to the downloads certainly doesn't break any licenses. You're
 telling people where to get it, not distributing it yourself.


 I see. But the initial question was -- is it possible to assemble dmd for
 specific (but with large community, so it is not somewhat marginal)
 distribution? Sources are not in public, so i can't do it for myself


Sure they're public. Just unpack the zip and look in the "src" directory. 
All the sources are right there.
Mar 04 2011
prev sibling parent reply Jordi Sayol <g.sayol yahoo.es> writes:
Al 05/03/11 04:46, En/na gleb ha escrit:

 Jonathan M Davis wrote:
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 I see. But addition of another option to the list of downloads
 (http://digitalmars.com/d/download.html) will not break the license?


 Linking to the downloads certainly doesn't break any licenses. You're
 telling people where to get it, not distributing it yourself.


=20
 I see. But the initial question was -- is it possible to assemble dmd f=


or=20

 specific (but with large community, so it is not somewhat marginal)=20
 distribution? Sources are not in public, so i can't do it for myself


The license do not allows to "redistribute" without permission, so there =
is no problem if you create an alt-linux package just for Your personal u=
se. Another option is to create the dmd alt-linux package, send it to Wal=
ter and ask him to upload to the DigitalMars ftp server.


=20

 PS: in current state, pushing mentioned Software into the repository,=







 e.g. Sisyphus (0.00(001) % from Windows users), probably will not red=






uce

 any commercial profit, rather increase it by some kind of advertising=






 :)

 there are some examples...


 If you want to restribute dmd, as long as you have a decent reason, pr=




etty

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 I can contact with ALT's CEO, if you feel it usefull.
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What's the approximate total amount of people that uses ALT-Linux?

--=20
Jordi Sayol
Mar 05 2011
parent gleb <gleb asd.iao.ru> writes:
Jordi Sayol wrote:



 
 What's the approximate total amount of people that uses ALT-Linux?


Hard to estimate, i do afraid.

If overlook some statistic of ALT's forum 
(http://forum.altlinux.org/index.php?action=stats), there are circa 6680 of 
*registered* users in the forum and even more in subscription lists 
(http://lists.altlinux.org/). In another side, ALT is the second mentioned 
distribution in xUSSR (after Ubuntu, of course). And finally, it is base of 
the state project of implementation of free and open software for school and 
goverment use. By statistic of 2008, there are circa 70000 general (1 -- 11 
years of education) schools in Russia 
(http://medportal.ru/enc/parentschildren/school/16/), so common quantity of 
pupil may be estimated in 20 000 000, so as minimum 9 000 000 of pupils 
should teach IT. 30% of schools should use Linux exclusively or together 
with Windows. So may mention upper estimate as 2 700 000 active users. As 
far as i can imagine by discussions, 60% of that choose ALT and derivatives, 
rest prefer Ubuntu (Kubuntu, Edubuntu). Some percents selects Open SuSe and 
Mandriva. So rough and optimistic estimation of summary ALT's user base may 
be circa 1 620 000 of pupils. Of cource, many of that 30% of schools does 
not use any Lniux at all, so estimation should be reduced, but from the 
other side, there are many professional peoples in IT and companies besides 
education that defenitelly do.

But in any case, estimated user base is substantively large and may be 
interested to propagate technology of D among them. :)


-- 

    /GLeb

* Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
Mar 09 2011
prev sibling parent Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:
gleb Wrote:

 Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of
 course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :)


 
 That will be a problem. See license:
 ---
 The Software is copyrighted and comes with a single user license,
 and may not be redistributed. If you wish to obtain a redistribution
 license, please contact Digital Mars.


 
 I see. But addition of another option to the list of downloads 
 (http://digitalmars.com/d/download.html) will not break the license?


Ermm... A specific native build for altlinux?
Mar 04 2011
prev sibling parent reply Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:
gleb Wrote:


 Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of 
 course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :)


What do you mean? Do you want to say, that linux applications are not native
for linux?
Mar 05 2011
parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Kagamin" <spam here.lot> wrote in message 
news:iktd73$2vqd$1 digitalmars.com...

 gleb Wrote:


 Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of
 course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :)


 What do you mean? Do you want to say, that linux applications are not 
 native for linux?


I think he means that some people expect unix apps to do things "the unix 
way", which is scattering the parts of each application across the 
filesystem.
Mar 05 2011
parent reply gleb <gleb asd.iao.ru> writes:
Nick Sabalausky wrote:


 Thank you, i'll see. Unfortunately i'm not shure dmd can helps and of
 course, peoples rudely hopes for native solution... :)






 

 I think he means that some people expect unix apps to do things "the unix
 way", which is scattering the parts of each application across the
 filesystem.


No, i mean application coherently builded accross distribution, i.e., using 
dynamically linked libraries, not conflicting with any apps/libraries and so 
on.

-- 

    /GLeb

* Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
Mar 09 2011
parent reply Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:
gleb Wrote:


 No, i mean application coherently builded accross distribution, i.e., using 
 dynamically linked libraries, not conflicting with any apps/libraries and so 
 on.


What dmd conflicts with?
Mar 10 2011
parent gleb <gleb asd.iao.ru> writes:
Kagamin wrote:


 gleb Wrote:
 

 No, i mean application coherently builded accross distribution, i.e.,
 using dynamically linked libraries, not conflicting with any
 apps/libraries and so on.


 
 What dmd conflicts with?


Sorry for delay.

I'm not shure, will check in a days.

-- 

    /GLeb

* Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
Mar 22 2011
prev sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-03-04 05:37, gleb wrote:

 Gentlemans,

 is it possible to build some version of D for ALT Linux (the biggest russian
 version of Linux and one of most used distributions here,
 http://en.altlinux.org/Main_Page ) and add to the list of available
 downloads? It would be absolutely great to see it in
 http://en.altlinux.org/Sisyphus ...

 thank you, with hope :)


You might want to have a look at: https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm
DVM - installs and manages D compilers.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Mar 03 2011
parent reply Jordi Sayol <g.sayol yahoo.es> writes:
Al 04/03/11 08:40, En/na Jacob Carlborg ha escrit:

 You might want to have a look at: https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm
 DVM - installs and manages D compilers.
=20


Is it ready to properly manage 1.67/2.52 and newer? (32/64 bit compiling)=


Regards,
--=20
Jordi Sayol
Mar 04 2011
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-03-04 09:04, Jordi Sayol wrote:

 Al 04/03/11 08:40, En/na Jacob Carlborg ha escrit:

 You might want to have a look at: https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm
 DVM - installs and manages D compilers.


 Is it ready to properly manage 1.67/2.52 and newer? (32/64 bit compiling)

 Regards,


Only 32bit.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Mar 04 2011
parent reply gleb <gleb asd.iao.ru> writes:
Jacob Carlborg wrote:


 You might want to have a look at: https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm


 Is it ready to properly manage 1.67/2.52 and newer? (32/64 bit compiling)





 
 Only 32bit.
 


well, i'm on x86_64, for example :(

-- 

    /GLeb

* Institute of Atmospheric Optics, SB RAS, Tomsk, Russia
Mar 04 2011
next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-03-05 04:42, gleb wrote:

 Jacob Carlborg wrote:


 You might want to have a look at: https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm


 Is it ready to properly manage 1.67/2.52 and newer? (32/64 bit compiling)





 Only 32bit.


 well, i'm on x86_64, for example :(


Currently the 64bit version is only available on linux and pretty new 
and not as well tested as the 32bit version.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Mar 05 2011
prev sibling parent "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"gleb" <gleb asd.iao.ru> wrote in message 
news:iksbk4$153a$1 digitalmars.com...

 Jacob Carlborg wrote:


 You might want to have a look at: https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm


 Is it ready to properly manage 1.67/2.52 and newer? (32/64 bit 
 compiling)





 Only 32bit.


 well, i'm on x86_64, for example :(


Even on that, you can still compile to 32 bit and run. (Although if you're 
doing scientific computing then maybe you really do need to compile for 64 
bit.)
Mar 05 2011