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digitalmars.D.announce - Trial migration of Dsource bindings project to Github

reply Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
In the light of problems with SVN on dsource, the Bindings project has been
migrated to 
GitHub on a trial basis.  Apparently this is more or less the last "active"
project on 
Dsource, so after a brief discussion on another thread I have decided to give
it a try.

So it's now at:

https://github.com/smjgordon/bindings

Please don't confuse this with dsource-bindings, which is an automatically
updated mirror 
of the Dsource project.  The one I have linked to is a new repository on GitHub
which may 
become the live repository for the Bindings project.

For those of you who are still unfamiliar with GitHub, it's a Subversion
repository just 
like we had on dsource, so you don't need to learn a new way of working or
obtain any new 
tools - you just need to set up a GitHub account if you don't have one already.

Could people please try checking out the project on GitHub, and committing a
change? 
There's still plenty of work to do on WindowsAPI so you could do some of the
work there. 
(The wiki is broken at the moment, so I don't recommend trying to edit the
module list 
there, but as a temporary measure you could just post on this thread if you're
going to do 
some major work on one or more of the files.)

Failing that, there's a file test.txt (directly under trunk) which you could
make a dummy 
edit to.  But whatever you do, please be sure to reply to this thread to let me
know 
whether or not you could commit successfully.

If the decision is made to relocate Bindings permanently to GitHub, the wiki
pages will be 
migrated in due course.

Stewart.

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Apr 19 2015
parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Sunday, 19 April 2015 at 23:14:13 UTC, Stewart Gordon wrote:

 For those of you who are still unfamiliar with GitHub,


Stewart, I haven't seen an active D project that WASN'T hosted on 
GitHub for years now.


 Could people please try checking out the project on GitHub, and 
 committing a change?


Git commits are local, and will always succeed. I'm guessing you 
actually want to allow anyone to push their commits to your 
repository, which is not how collaboration on GitHub works. You 
may want to read up on pull requests:

https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests/

I'm sorry about the Dsource malfunctions. When I took over 
hosting, my goal was to archive it in a read-only state. The move 
has eaten much more of my time than I have anticipated, because 
it depends so much on ancient software that is difficult to get 
running these days short of making a virtual machine.


 There's still plenty of work to do on WindowsAPI so you could 
 do some of the work there. (The wiki is broken at the moment, 
 so I don't recommend trying to edit the module list there, but 
 as a temporary measure you could just post on this thread if 
 you're going to do some major work on one or more of the files.)


The module list has no value these days. Most people in that list 
no longer use D. Git allows quickly checking the history of any 
one file. Contributions to the project itself have been so few 
that it makes no sense to partition out module ownership.


 If the decision is made to relocate Bindings permanently to 
 GitHub, the wiki pages will be migrated in due course.


Given that SVN is going the way of RCS and CVS, it's not really 
an "if".
Apr 19 2015
next sibling parent "John Colvin" <john.loughran.colvin gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 19 April 2015 at 23:37:58 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 On Sunday, 19 April 2015 at 23:14:13 UTC, Stewart Gordon wrote:

 For those of you who are still unfamiliar with GitHub,


 Stewart, I haven't seen an active D project that WASN'T hosted 
 on GitHub for years now.


There's a few on bitbucket.
Apr 20 2015
prev sibling parent reply Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
On 20/04/2015 00:37, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Sunday, 19 April 2015 at 23:14:13 UTC, Stewart Gordon wrote:

 For those of you who are still unfamiliar with GitHub,


 Stewart, I haven't seen an active D project that WASN'T hosted on GitHub for
years now.


That doesn't mean absolutely none of us are just doing personal projects which
we keep on 
our own computers.


 Could people please try checking out the project on GitHub, and committing a
change?


 Git commits are local, and will always succeed.


I committed some updates the other day and they seem they have gone straight
into the 
online repository.


 I'm guessing you actually want to allow
 anyone to push their commits to your repository, which is not how
collaboration on GitHub
 works. You may want to read up on pull requests:

 https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests/


That mentions a 'shared repository model'.  What is that if not a way of
enabling any user 
to push changes?  (That said, it isn't clear at the moment how to control
whether a given 
repository is fork-pull or shared, or even whether the distinction is at the
repository 
setup level or some other.)

It's too late in the day for me to take much in at the moment, but another page
I've found
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5010754/github-collaborators-have-commit-access
seems to say that, if I make somebody a 'collaborator', then that somebody will
be able to 
commit to my repository.

<snip>

 The module list has no value these days. Most people in that list no longer
use D.


?? The module list is a list of modules, not a list of people.


 Git allows quickly checking the history of any one file. Contributions to the
project itself
 have been so few that it makes no sense to partition out module ownership.


That isn't the sole purpose of the module list.  It also serves to document the
status of 
each file.


 If the decision is made to relocate Bindings permanently to GitHub, the wiki
pages will
 be migrated in due course.


 Given that SVN is going the way of RCS and CVS, it's not really an "if".


What do you mean by this?

Stewart.

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Apr 20 2015
parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Monday, 20 April 2015 at 22:57:51 UTC, Stewart Gordon wrote:

 I committed some updates the other day and they seem they have 
 gone straight into the online repository.


Committing is a local (non-network) operation in git, so you must 
have pushed them afterwards, or your GUI has done this for you.


 https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests/


 That mentions a 'shared repository model'.  What is that if not 
 a way of enabling any user to push changes?  (That said, it 
 isn't clear at the moment how to control whether a given 
 repository is fork-pull or shared, or even whether the 
 distinction is at the repository setup level or some other.)


The shared repository model rarely applies to open-source 
projects, and I don't think it applies to the bindings project.


 The module list has no value these days. Most people in that 
 list no longer use D.


 ?? The module list is a list of modules, not a list of people.


Sorry, I was talking about the "Assigned to" column. I was 
misremembering, I agree it might be worth migrating to the GitHub 
wiki.


 Given that SVN is going the way of RCS and CVS, it's not 
 really an "if".


 What do you mean by this?


SVN use, especially in open-source projects, has heavily declined 
in the past years. People have begun maintaining their own forks 
and mirrors of the bindings project just so they wouldn't have to 
muck with SVN. The bindings project needs to move away from SVN 
if it is to avoid fragmentation and be friendly to contributions.
Apr 20 2015
next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2015-04-21 01:42, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:


 Committing is a local (non-network) operation in git, so you must have
 pushed them afterwards, or your GUI has done this for you.


Just for the record, it is possible to use SVN to interact with 
repositories on Github [1], including committing.

https://help.github.com/articles/support-for-subversion-clients/

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Apr 20 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "John Colvin" <john.loughran.colvin gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 20 April 2015 at 23:42:54 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

 On Monday, 20 April 2015 at 22:57:51 UTC, Stewart Gordon wrote:

 I committed some updates the other day and they seem they have 
 gone straight into the online repository.


 Committing is a local (non-network) operation in git, so you 
 must have pushed them afterwards, or your GUI has done this for 
 you.


I think he's using github's svn support The repository is still a 
git repository.
Apr 21 2015
prev sibling parent reply Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
On 21/04/2015 00:42, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
<snip>

 Committing is a local (non-network) operation in git, so you must have pushed
them
 afterwards, or your GUI has done this for you.


I committed using TortoiseSVN.  Would that auto-push?  I never imagined so.

<snip>

 The shared repository model rarely applies to open-source projects, and I
don't think it
 applies to the bindings project.


Empty comments like "I don't think" don't help any of us.  We need to try and
figure out 
whether it applies, and if not then how to make it apply.

<snip>

 SVN use, especially in open-source projects, has heavily declined in the past
years.
 People have begun maintaining their own forks and mirrors of the bindings
project


Who are these people?


 just so they wouldn't have to muck with SVN.


How is mucking with SVN a burden?  It takes only either a one-line command line
invocation 
or a few mouse clicks to update or commit.  It seems to me that if people are
maintaining 
their own forks then it's more likely to be because they want the additions
they make all 
to themselves for their personal projects, rather than to contribute to the
project.


 The bindings project needs to move away from SVN if
 it is to avoid fragmentation and be friendly to contributions.


How does using SVN lead to "fragmentation"?  I don't understand.

Stewart.

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Apr 21 2015
next sibling parent "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 at 21:31:39 UTC, Stewart Gordon wrote:

 On 21/04/2015 00:42, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
 <snip>


I'm sorry but someone else will need to take over here. With all 
due respect for the work you've done so far, I simply don't have 
the time or energy to catch you up with the past decade's 
advances in software development and version control. There is a 
lot of information available online about how to use Git and 
GitHub, as well as a lot of existing discussions on modern best 
practices for open-source projects - reiterating these in this 
thread is a waste of everyone's resources.

By the way, SVN support on github.com was announced on April 1, 
2010 - half feature, half April Fools' joke.
Apr 21 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 at 21:31:39 UTC, Stewart Gordon wrote:

 How does using SVN lead to "fragmentation"?  I don't understand.


See 
http://forum.dlang.org/post/mailman.3160.1418550079.9932.digitalmars-d puremagic.com
Apr 24 2015
parent reply Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
On 24/04/2015 11:58, Kagamin wrote:

 On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 at 21:31:39 UTC, Stewart Gordon wrote:

 How does using SVN lead to "fragmentation"?  I don't understand.


 See http://forum.dlang.org/post/mailman.3160.1418550079.9932.digitalmars-d puremagic.com


?? I've had a quick look, and can't at the moment see what in that thread
relates to using 
SVN.

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Apr 24 2015
parent "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
On Friday, 24 April 2015 at 21:45:08 UTC, Stewart Gordon wrote:

 ?? I've had a quick look, and can't at the moment see what in 
 that thread relates to using SVN.


It discusses acceptability of any alternative to git workflow, 
patches in that case.
Apr 27 2015