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digitalmars.D.announce - The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the Julia 
language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation has a 
bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up of my 
last royalty check.

The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we 
can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more months. 
I'll keep everybody posted.


Andrei
Nov 17 2015
parent reply cym13 <cpicard openmailbox.org> writes:
On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
 Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for 
 the Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language 
 Foundation has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I 
 promised, it's a round-up of my last royalty check.

 The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, 
 so we can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a 
 few more months. I'll keep everybody posted.


 Andrei
What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support projects?
Nov 17 2015
next sibling parent deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 21:01:42 UTC, cym13 wrote:
 On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei 
 Alexandrescu wrote:
 Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for 
 the Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language 
 Foundation has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I 
 promised, it's a round-up of my last royalty check.

 The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, 
 so we can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a 
 few more months. I'll keep everybody posted.


 Andrei
What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support projects?
Outspend Julia !
Nov 18 2015
prev sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 11/17/2015 04:01 PM, cym13 wrote:
 On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the
 Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation
 has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up
 of my last royalty check.

 The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we
 can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more
 months. I'll keep everybody posted.


 Andrei
What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support projects?
DConf is our largest annual spender. Also we plan a few small monthly expenses. I'll keep everyone posted. -- Andrei
Nov 19 2015
parent reply Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> writes:
On Thursday, 19 November 2015 at 12:31:01 UTC, Andrei 
Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 11/17/2015 04:01 PM, cym13 wrote:
 On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei 
 Alexandrescu wrote:
 Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation 
 for the
 Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language 
 Foundation
 has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a 
 round-up
 of my last royalty check.

 The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, 
 so we
 can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few 
 more
 months. I'll keep everybody posted.


 Andrei
What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support projects?
DConf is our largest annual spender. Also we plan a few small monthly expenses. I'll keep everyone posted. -- Andrei
I have a recommendation for fairly small expense which would be a perfect job for the newly formed Foundation. Get some certificates for D. Walter was interested in the past with getting one for Digital Mars to use but I think the idea got lost somewhere along the way. There are three different certificates that would be good to have: 1. SSL certificate for dlang.org (optionally getting an EV certificate would be a good way to advertise the Foundation in the address bar). 2. Code signing certificate for Windows from a Certificate Authority. 3. OS X code signing certificate from Apple. The first two can be done pretty inexpensively through StartSSL (there are plenty of other options though). Apple isn't as important because I don't believe it does the Untrusted Developer warning for opening .dmg files nor does it do it for running command line applications. It's good for tamper security though. To register with Apple you'll need a DUNS number for the Foundation which you can create through Dun & Bradshaw (not sure if it's free). Code signing the installers and executables means the Windows SmartScreen protection systems won't kick in and give big, scary warnings with non-obvious workarounds about the D downloads. It also means the Admin Privilege request dialog would display the Foundation's name which looks way more professional and trustworthy than an unsigned executable. I think doing this eventually is important if you want D to look professional and ready for primetime.
Nov 22 2015
next sibling parent reply Rikki Cattermole <alphaglosined gmail.com> writes:
On 23/11/15 10:45 AM, Brad Anderson wrote:
 On Thursday, 19 November 2015 at 12:31:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 11/17/2015 04:01 PM, cym13 wrote:
 On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the
 Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation
 has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up
 of my last royalty check.

 The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we
 can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more
 months. I'll keep everybody posted.


 Andrei
What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support projects?
DConf is our largest annual spender. Also we plan a few small monthly expenses. I'll keep everyone posted. -- Andrei
I have a recommendation for fairly small expense which would be a perfect job for the newly formed Foundation. Get some certificates for D. Walter was interested in the past with getting one for Digital Mars to use but I think the idea got lost somewhere along the way. There are three different certificates that would be good to have: 1. SSL certificate for dlang.org (optionally getting an EV certificate would be a good way to advertise the Foundation in the address bar). 2. Code signing certificate for Windows from a Certificate Authority. 3. OS X code signing certificate from Apple. The first two can be done pretty inexpensively through StartSSL (there are plenty of other options though). Apple isn't as important because I don't believe it does the Untrusted Developer warning for opening .dmg files nor does it do it for running command line applications. It's good for tamper security though. To register with Apple you'll need a DUNS number for the Foundation which you can create through Dun & Bradshaw (not sure if it's free). Code signing the installers and executables means the Windows SmartScreen protection systems won't kick in and give big, scary warnings with non-obvious workarounds about the D downloads. It also means the Admin Privilege request dialog would display the Foundation's name which looks way more professional and trustworthy than an unsigned executable. I think doing this eventually is important if you want D to look professional and ready for primetime.
Given Apple's approach of disallowing any programs not signed to run by default, we REALLY need to get all programs for OSX signed. IMO its more important then all the others, since it actively requires system change to make things work.
Nov 22 2015
parent reply Bill Baxter via Digitalmars-d-announce writes:
It doesn't require a system change to run unsigned stuff on the Mac, it
just requires knowing the trick: open by ctrl-clicking on the icon and
choosing "Open" from the pop-up menu.  If you open it that way then it will
ask you if you really really want to open it, and there you can say yes.
If you, do it won't ask you again.

--bb

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Rikki Cattermole via
Digitalmars-d-announce <digitalmars-d-announce puremagic.com> wrote:

 On 23/11/15 10:45 AM, Brad Anderson wrote:

 On Thursday, 19 November 2015 at 12:31:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 11/17/2015 04:01 PM, cym13 wrote:

 On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the
 Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation
 has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up
 of my last royalty check.

 The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we
 can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more
 months. I'll keep everybody posted.


 Andrei
What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support projects?
DConf is our largest annual spender. Also we plan a few small monthly expenses. I'll keep everyone posted. -- Andrei
I have a recommendation for fairly small expense which would be a perfect job for the newly formed Foundation. Get some certificates for D. Walter was interested in the past with getting one for Digital Mars to use but I think the idea got lost somewhere along the way. There are three different certificates that would be good to have: 1. SSL certificate for dlang.org (optionally getting an EV certificate would be a good way to advertise the Foundation in the address bar). 2. Code signing certificate for Windows from a Certificate Authority. 3. OS X code signing certificate from Apple. The first two can be done pretty inexpensively through StartSSL (there are plenty of other options though). Apple isn't as important because I don't believe it does the Untrusted Developer warning for opening .dmg files nor does it do it for running command line applications. It's good for tamper security though. To register with Apple you'll need a DUNS number for the Foundation which you can create through Dun & Bradshaw (not sure if it's free). Code signing the installers and executables means the Windows SmartScreen protection systems won't kick in and give big, scary warnings with non-obvious workarounds about the D downloads. It also means the Admin Privilege request dialog would display the Foundation's name which looks way more professional and trustworthy than an unsigned executable. I think doing this eventually is important if you want D to look professional and ready for primetime.
Given Apple's approach of disallowing any programs not signed to run by default, we REALLY need to get all programs for OSX signed. IMO its more important then all the others, since it actively requires system change to make things work.
Nov 22 2015
parent reply Rikki Cattermole <alphaglosined gmail.com> writes:
On 23/11/15 4:55 PM, Bill Baxter via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
 It doesn't require a system change to run unsigned stuff on the Mac, it
 just requires knowing the trick: open by ctrl-clicking on the icon and
 choosing "Open" from the pop-up menu.  If you open it that way then it
 will ask you if you really really want to open it, and there you can say
 yes.  If you, do it won't ask you again.

 --bb
That is one more hurdle then on every other platform. And I don't like the idea of us propagating that this trick most likely is needed. It makes us look bad.
Nov 22 2015
parent rsw0x <anonymous anonymous.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 03:59:25 UTC, Rikki Cattermole 
wrote:
 On 23/11/15 4:55 PM, Bill Baxter via Digitalmars-d-announce 
 wrote:
 It doesn't require a system change to run unsigned stuff on 
 the Mac, it
 just requires knowing the trick: open by ctrl-clicking on the 
 icon and
 choosing "Open" from the pop-up menu.  If you open it that way 
 then it
 will ask you if you really really want to open it, and there 
 you can say
 yes.  If you, do it won't ask you again.

 --bb
That is one more hurdle then on every other platform. And I don't like the idea of us propagating that this trick most likely is needed. It makes us look bad.
no other platform requires you to pay money so your users aren't inconvenienced
Nov 22 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Dicebot <public dicebot.lv> writes:
And how about GPG signing of releases which comes free and 
actually helps? :P
Nov 22 2015
next sibling parent Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 04:37:18 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
 And how about GPG signing of releases which comes free and 
 actually helps? :P
On linux, sure. That'd be a good idea. That doesn't help with the usage problems on the other platforms though and GPG is kind of useless without the website certificate to serve the files and public keys.
Nov 22 2015
prev sibling parent reply Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 04:37:18 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
 And how about GPG signing of releases which comes free and 
 actually helps? :P
When you hover over any of the download links on http://dlang.org/download.html, a corresponding .sig link will appear. Is this not what you're referring to?
Nov 23 2015
parent reply Dicebot <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 08:33:10 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:
 On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 04:37:18 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
 And how about GPG signing of releases which comes free and 
 actually helps? :P
When you hover over any of the download links on http://dlang.org/download.html, a corresponding .sig link will appear. Is this not what you're referring to?
Whoa, this must be pretty new. Though subkey used seems to be almost 1 year old now. sub rsa4096/12BB1939 2015-02-27 That is very cool, though decision to put the mention of .sig into hover hint is weird :) I'll sign the key in that case, should start building some trust web.
Nov 23 2015
parent reply Martin Nowak <code dawg.eu> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 12:35:35 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
 Whoa, this must be pretty new. Though subkey used seems to be 
 almost 1 year old now.

 sub   rsa4096/12BB1939 2015-02-27
Why should I renew the subkey w/o cause? Then everybody would need to redownload my public keys. In any case I'd be in favor if more people sign my key, though we could do that next time we meet in person ;).
Nov 27 2015
parent Dicebot <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On Saturday, 28 November 2015 at 04:27:51 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
 On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 12:35:35 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
 Whoa, this must be pretty new. Though subkey used seems to be 
 almost 1 year old now.

 sub   rsa4096/12BB1939 2015-02-27
Why should I renew the subkey w/o cause? Then everybody would need to redownload my public keys. In any case I'd be in favor if more people sign my key, though we could do that next time we meet in person ;).
You shouldn't, sorry for confusion - it was simply line of thought "haven't noticed before, must be new - but key is relatively old, must be blind" :)
Nov 27 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2015-11-22 22:45, Brad Anderson wrote:

 Apple isn't as important because I don't believe it does the Untrusted
 Developer warning for opening .dmg files nor does it do it for running
 command line applications.
It does for installers. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Nov 23 2015
prev sibling parent Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 22 November 2015 at 21:45:06 UTC, Brad Anderson wrote:
 1. SSL certificate for dlang.org (optionally getting an EV 
 certificate would be a good way to advertise the Foundation in 
 the address bar).
With https://letsencrypt.org/ launching very soon, it might not be necessary to pay for a SSL certificate. BTW, Certum also offers very cheap (~$20 last I checked) personal Windows code-signing certificates for open source projects. The publisher will say "FirstName LastName, Open Source Developer", so probably not applicable to D.
Nov 23 2015