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reply "Chris R. Miller" <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
I think the installer is ready now, since I've installed it a bunch of=20
times and it hasn't misbehaved yet.  It still refuses to delete the=20
start menu entries when it uninstalls, but that's really a minor problem =

and I expect to have found the solution by next release.

As some of you can probably guess, the 0.6.0 release means that this=20
uses the stable release of DMD 1.030.

DWT also got an update to revision 230.  I've verified that it works.

Beyond that nothing changed.  Amazingly enough I was able to get all=20
this to work correctly the first time - a sign that I've been here far=20
too long and need to find something more impossible to do.  So, requests =

if you have any would be great.

So, for those of you who want an easy update: http://tinyurl.com/5l2gmm
May 26 2008
next sibling parent reply Jason House <jason.james.house gmail.com> writes:
Chris R. Miller wrote:

 Amazingly enough I was able to get all
 this to work correctly the first time - a sign that I've been here far
 too long and need to find something more impossible to do.  So, requests
 if you have any would be great.


Snapshot for linux
May 26 2008
parent reply "Chris R. Miller" <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Jason House wrote:

 Chris R. Miller wrote:

 Amazingly enough I was able to get all
 this to work correctly the first time - a sign that I've been here far=





 too long and need to find something more impossible to do.  So, reques=




ts

 if you have any would be great.


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 Snapshot for linux


That's a pretty tall order, but it's certainly on my radar.  I too use=20
Linux - only reason I started with Windows is because it's the hardest=20
to make work.

The tricky part with Linux is trying to do it in a way which is=20
distro-independent.  I don't even have the disk space to keep a Virtual=20
Box install of all the major distros (which are - according to me -=20
Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, and CentOS/Red Hat, though not in that=20
specific order).  I think I found an interesting tool in "Install=20
Jammer" (www.installjammer.com) but I'm still looking for a better=20
installer.  I want to try and do it as independent of the local distro=20
as possible in order to maintain portability.  I have no clue how I'll=20
do that, but I haven't even begun cursory research yet.

I think I'll try for DMD-Linux, since GDC could rope in some GCC=20
dependencies that could entangle things far more than I'd like to get=20
into.  Last time I tried building GCC from scratch it was most painful.=20
  I don't know how the GCC developers do what they do, but what they do=20
is amazing!
May 27 2008
parent BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Chris,


 I want to try and do it as independent of the local distro
 as possible in order to maintain portability.  I have no clue how I'll
 do that, but I haven't even begun cursory research yet.
 


I have a script here that might be a start. It makes a few assumption but 
your welcome to do whatever you want with it.

http://www.dsource.org/projects/scrapple/browser/trunk/scripts/dmd_update
May 27 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Aarti_pl <aarti interia.pl> writes:
Chris R. Miller pisze:

 I think the installer is ready now, since I've installed it a bunch of 
 times and it hasn't misbehaved yet.  It still refuses to delete the 
 start menu entries when it uninstalls, but that's really a minor problem 
 and I expect to have found the solution by next release.
 
 As some of you can probably guess, the 0.6.0 release means that this 
 uses the stable release of DMD 1.030.
 
 DWT also got an update to revision 230.  I've verified that it works.
 
 Beyond that nothing changed.  Amazingly enough I was able to get all 
 this to work correctly the first time - a sign that I've been here far 
 too long and need to find something more impossible to do.  So, requests 
 if you have any would be great.
 
 So, for those of you who want an easy update: http://tinyurl.com/5l2gmm



Please include also ddbi. After last changes in trunk it is probably 
already compilable...

Thanks for your work!

BR
Marcin Kuszczak
May 27 2008
parent reply "Chris R. Miller" <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Aarti_pl wrote:

 Please include also ddbi. After last changes in trunk it is probably=20
 already compilable...


I just tried that, and unfortunately it's back to it's old errors.

testddbi.d =3D> testddbi
+ C:\dmd\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\=20
-IC:\dmd\dsss\include\d -
SC:\dmd\dsss\lib\  -IC:\dmd\dsss\include\d -SC:\dmd\dsss\lib=20
-oqdsss_objs\D  te
stddbi.d -oftestddbi
testddbi.d(4): module Config cannot read file 'tango\util\log\Config.d'
Command C:\dmd\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe returned with code 1, aborting.
Error: Command failed, aborting.

I think that's because someone overhauled the code in Tango's logging=20
system.  Granted, it's only the code in the test case that fails, but I=20
don't know if there's something in DDBI itself that uses the logging=20
system, either.  I don't have any code I can use to verify whether or=20
not it works, so I figure I'll just leave it out for now.
May 27 2008
parent Lars Ivar Igesund <larsivar igesund.net> writes:
Chris R. Miller wrote:


 Aarti_pl wrote:

 Please include also ddbi. After last changes in trunk it is probably
 already compilable...


 
 I just tried that, and unfortunately it's back to it's old errors.
 
 testddbi.d => testddbi
 + C:\dmd\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe -Idsss_imports\ -I. -S.\
 -IC:\dmd\dsss\include\d -
 SC:\dmd\dsss\lib\  -IC:\dmd\dsss\include\d -SC:\dmd\dsss\lib
 -oqdsss_objs\D  te
 stddbi.d -oftestddbi
 testddbi.d(4): module Config cannot read file 'tango\util\log\Config.d'
 Command C:\dmd\dsss\bin\rebuild.exe returned with code 1, aborting.
 Error: Command failed, aborting.
 
 I think that's because someone overhauled the code in Tango's logging
 system.  Granted, it's only the code in the test case that fails, but I
 don't know if there's something in DDBI itself that uses the logging
 system, either.  I don't have any code I can use to verify whether or
 not it works, so I figure I'll just leave it out for now.


IIRC your package uses Tango 0.99.6 which is too old for current DDBI :)
Unless you're adventourous, it's probably smart to wait until the next
release (of both).

-- 
Lars Ivar Igesund
blog at http://larsivi.net
DSource, #d.tango & #D: larsivi
Dancing the Tango
May 27 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Lutger <lutger.blijdestin gmail.com> writes:
Thanks for your continued efforts to provide an easy D package.
Is dsss included?

A couple of things I would like to see: 
- there are .chm docs for Tango, but they may be out of date:
http://www.vga.hr/tango_doc/ 
Perhaps you could use dsss to generate candydoc api reference and include
it?

- DFL library and entice designer (which is also an option for designing DWT
guis). I don't know about redistribution rights, but you might work
something out or have it download over the net?

- A 7zip or zip archive as an alternative for the installer. I was trying to
test this under wine but the installer doesn't run ok.


Have you consider bundling an editor with it? An IDE such as codeblocks is
overkill, but I thing there are good lightweight editors with D support
such as Scite. That will make it a complete out-of-the-box package for D
development.
May 27 2008
parent reply Chris R. Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Lutger Wrote:

 Thanks for your continued efforts to provide an easy D package.
 Is dsss included?


Yes, DSSS 0.75 is included.


 A couple of things I would like to see: 
 - there are .chm docs for Tango, but they may be out of date:
 http://www.vga.hr/tango_doc/ 
 Perhaps you could use dsss to generate candydoc api reference and include
 it?


Adding the documentation would increase the download size a lot.  I'm trying to
keep it below 15 MB, and thankfully LZMA compression has helped me keep it
below 12MB most of the time, but I don't want to push my luck.


 - DFL library and entice designer (which is also an option for designing DWT
 guis). I don't know about redistribution rights, but you might work
 something out or have it download over the net?


You can freely download Entice and its installer from Chris' website,
http://www.dprogramming.com/entice.php


 - A 7zip or zip archive as an alternative for the installer. I was trying to
 test this under wine but the installer doesn't run ok.


That is indeed interesting.  Out of curiosity, did any of the zipped versions
work in wine?  NSIS is fairly Windows-centric, so I'm not exactly surprised
that it failed in Wine.  I honestly didn't think that any of this would work in
wine at all, so I never tested for Wine compatibility.

Hopefully I'll be able to offer a native Linux version in the future, which
would make wine unnecessary.


 Have you consider bundling an editor with it? An IDE such as codeblocks is
 overkill, but I thing there are good lightweight editors with D support
 such as Scite. That will make it a complete out-of-the-box package for D
 development. 


Yes, I have.  Eclipse and Descent are the only ones I'd really want to package
with it, since in my experience all the other editors aren't nearly as good
(let me stress that part: __In My Experience__).  As it is, I don't think that
would really fit in my 15MB target.  DCode might, however. 
(http://www.dprogramming.com/dcode.php)

As it is, I don't want to try and make a statement about which IDE is the
fairest of them all, since that's implicitly what I'm saying by putting any one
IDE in there.  If I don't include all the others, it's not equal.  Even with
one of them I would have thrown the 15MB target out the window, so I'm just
inclined to not risk it.  I reason that installing DMD, building Tango, and
building DWT are the hard parts.  Clicking through the installer to get Entice,
unzipping Eclipse and downloading Descent, or selling your soul while
installing Visual Studio are easy enough in comparison, and the
VS/Entice/Eclipse choice is something that you need to make, since I'm not the
person to do it for you.  I'd pick Eclipse every time - that alone tells me I'm
not without bias.
May 27 2008
parent reply 0ffh <frank youknow.what.todo.interNETz> writes:
Chris R. Miller wrote:

 Lutger Wrote:

 - A 7zip or zip archive as an alternative for the installer. I was trying
 to test this under wine but the installer doesn't run ok.


 
 That is indeed interesting.  Out of curiosity, did any of the zipped
 versions work in wine?  NSIS is fairly Windows-centric, so I'm not exactly
 surprised that it failed in Wine.  I honestly didn't think that any of this
 would work in wine at all, so I never tested for Wine compatibility.


Trying to replicate Lutger's result, I could.
Here it is missing the M$ Visual C v7.1 RTL DLL =)
That should be easy to fix, but I wonder what might happen next?
Lutger, what was your error?

regards, frank
May 27 2008
parent reply Chris R. Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
0ffh Wrote:

 Chris R. Miller wrote:

 Lutger Wrote:

 - A 7zip or zip archive as an alternative for the installer. I was trying
 to test this under wine but the installer doesn't run ok.


 
 That is indeed interesting.  Out of curiosity, did any of the zipped
 versions work in wine?  NSIS is fairly Windows-centric, so I'm not exactly
 surprised that it failed in Wine.  I honestly didn't think that any of this
 would work in wine at all, so I never tested for Wine compatibility.


 
 Trying to replicate Lutger's result, I could.
 Here it is missing the M$ Visual C v7.1 RTL DLL =)
 That should be easy to fix, but I wonder what might happen next?
 Lutger, what was your error?


Apparently it's an issue stemming from a badly written theme API.  The author
apparently just left it totally unfinished.  I'll regenerate the installer -
without the defective theme.  Then it should work.  A real pity too, since the
theme really came closer to looking about as cool as D is.  It looked like some
of the newer InstallShield installers.
May 29 2008
parent reply Lutger <lutger.blijdestin gmail.com> writes:
Chris R. Miller wrote:


 0ffh Wrote:

 Chris R. Miller wrote:

 Lutger Wrote:

 - A 7zip or zip archive as an alternative for the installer. I was
 trying to test this under wine but the installer doesn't run ok.


 
 That is indeed interesting.  Out of curiosity, did any of the zipped
 versions work in wine?  NSIS is fairly Windows-centric, so I'm not
 exactly
 surprised that it failed in Wine.  I honestly didn't think that any of
 this would work in wine at all, so I never tested for Wine
 compatibility.


 
 Trying to replicate Lutger's result, I could.
 Here it is missing the M$ Visual C v7.1 RTL DLL =)
 That should be easy to fix, but I wonder what might happen next?
 Lutger, what was your error?


 
 Apparently it's an issue stemming from a badly written theme API.  The
 author apparently just left it totally unfinished.  I'll regenerate the
 installer - without the defective theme.  Then it should work.  A real
 pity too, since the theme really came closer to looking about as cool as D
 is.  It looked like some of the newer InstallShield installers.


Yes I thought nsis did work fine in the past, I dont' get any specific
error, the installer opens a window and then hangs. 

Last time I tried dmd with dsss under wine it did work (from your
snapshots), but there were errors when dsss issued a large command line to
the linker. I've been meaning to try it again and get it working. It is
quite useful to have dmd and various tools working under wine to make
cross-platform development easier.
May 29 2008
parent "Chris R. Miller" <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Lutger wrote:

 Yes I thought nsis did work fine in the past, I dont' get any specific
 error, the installer opens a window and then hangs.=20
=20
 Last time I tried dmd with dsss under wine it did work (from your
 snapshots), but there were errors when dsss issued a large command line=


 to

 the linker. I've been meaning to try it again and get it working. It is=



 quite useful to have dmd and various tools working under wine to make
 cross-platform development easier.


All right, I just finished removing the defective theme and replacing it =

with a more boring, but more stable one.  Nothing from the actual=20
package changed, just the installer.  It should work now.

http://www.fsdev.net/gf/project/dmd-snaps/frs/?action=3DFrsReleaseView&re=
lease_id=3D112

That is interesting that it works in wine.  I'll have to remember than=20
in the future, since I plan on trying my hand at an automated build=20
system for my server so that it can make builds after every commit.  Not =

now, but in the (distant) future.  Could be fun!
May 29 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doobnet gmail.com> writes:
Chris R. Miller wrote:

 a sign that I've been here far 
 too long and need to find something more impossible to do.  So, requests 
 if you have any would be great.


Some suggestions:
A GUI/window builder for dwt as an eclipse plugin, maybe based on visual 
editor (http://www.eclipse.org/vep/WebContent/main.php) is a good idea.

CGI and database library for minid and an apache plugin so you can use 
minid like php.
May 27 2008
next sibling parent Robert Fraser <fraserofthenight gmail.com> writes:
Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 Some suggestions:
 A GUI/window builder for dwt as an eclipse plugin, maybe based on visual 
 editor (http://www.eclipse.org/vep/WebContent/main.php) is a good idea.


I'm not sure if that'll make it into the installer (It depends on 
Eclipse, which depends on the Java runtime, so there's a good 100+ MB of 
baggage), but I am planning on making just such a plugin that builds 
atop Descent once I've finished the builder (which will be a while XD).
May 27 2008
prev sibling parent Chris R. Miller <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
Jacob Carlborg Wrote:

 Chris R. Miller wrote:

 a sign that I've been here far 
 too long and need to find something more impossible to do.  So, requests 
 if you have any would be great.


 
 Some suggestions:
 A GUI/window builder for dwt as an eclipse plugin, maybe based on visual 
 editor (http://www.eclipse.org/vep/WebContent/main.php) is a good idea.
 
 CGI and database library for minid and an apache plugin so you can use 
 minid like php.


Well, if you want to use minid like PHP, then you should probably hack the
mod_php module for Apache 2.  There's also the Apache 2 handler API:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/developer/API.html

If I remember correctly from reading through the source of mod_php.c, it's
fairly simple - nothing more than translating a struct of URL information to a
call to your php executable.  So www.example.com/index.php?action=doSomething
becomes a literal call to something like /usr/bin/php /var/www/htdocs/index.php
"action=doSomething" .  Or maybe that was how CGI was handled?  I have no
recall for certain, but from what I remember it wasn't exactly rocket science. 
You'd just have to rewrite it to something like /usr/bin/minid
/var/www/cgi-bin/index "action=doSomething", or something similar to that
effect.  Personally I would not try and complicate it any further.

It could also become interesting to write an argparser to allow the
interpretation of command line arguments from the CGI dispatcher so that you
could utilize compiled code as your web application.  You could further
embellish that framework to enable fastcgi, which could yield further speed
benefits to the system due to persistent threads as opposed to run-once affairs
typical to normal CGI scripts.

If - like me - you are too lazy to read the docs, you could discover the
organization and syntaxing of the command line arguments passed to both CGI
and/or FCGI dispatches by a short script and a D program:

=== dispatch.cgi ====



=== dispatch.d > dispatch ==== (remember to chmod 755 it!)

import tango.io.Stdout;

void main(char args[][]) {
    foreach(int i, char[] ch; args) {
        Stdout.format("{} :: {}\n", i, ch);
    }
}

======== EOF =======

Forgive me if my Apache/bash/etc. skills are a bit rusty, but that should print
out to the screen all the arguments given to CGI dispatches by apache.  Knowing
that is all you would really need to know in order to begin writing a CGI/FCGI
framework for D - or Minid.

Alack! I am unable to persue the goal personally at the moment, since I am
unfortunately working on other, far less rewarding things at the moment -
finishing out my last year of High School.

I also thought there was the beginnings of some of that kind of framework in
the Wombat framework (http://www.dsource.org/projects/wombat), but the last
commit was on 05/06/07, so it may or may not work with more recent versions of
DMD/GDC/Tango/Phobos.  I have not personally tested it, so I do not know for
certain.
May 27 2008
prev sibling parent arnaud <arnaud.versini gmail.com> writes:
Chris R. Miller a écrit :

 I think the installer is ready now, since I've installed it a bunch of 
 times and it hasn't misbehaved yet.  It still refuses to delete the 
 start menu entries when it uninstalls, but that's really a minor problem 
 and I expect to have found the solution by next release.
 
 As some of you can probably guess, the 0.6.0 release means that this 
 uses the stable release of DMD 1.030.
 
 DWT also got an update to revision 230.  I've verified that it works.
 
 Beyond that nothing changed.  Amazingly enough I was able to get all 
 this to work correctly the first time - a sign that I've been here far 
 too long and need to find something more impossible to do.  So, requests 
 if you have any would be great.
 
 So, for those of you who want an easy update: http://tinyurl.com/5l2gmm
 


DMD 1.030 have some problems with anonymous class : 
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=2123
May 29 2008