• Steven Schveighoffer (4/22) May 13 2010 FYI, John Chapman is no longer a blocker for this path.
• Moritz Warning (3/29) May 13 2010 I have asked Kris Bell and Matti Niemenmaa.
• superdan (2/31) May 17 2010 what'd lars douche say? he's da lord o' the flies over there.
• Moritz Warning (3/34) May 18 2010 Lars isn't listed as an author for the time code in Tango.
• Steven Schveighoffer (5/7) May 18 2010 People have mentioned that there are 5 authors. Does anyone know who th...
• superdan (2/9) May 18 2010 i know who dat is. it's da mythical man-month.
• superdan (9/43) May 18 2010 lotta shit came down just coz ppl couldn't imagine shit was comin' down....
• Steven Schveighoffer (6/8) May 18 2010 Having written most of the API for tango.time, I sorta like it :) I
• superdan (7/15) May 18 2010 i feel ya bro. i once sorta liked a hoe with herpes.
• Moritz Warning (8/26) May 18 2010 Wut?
• Steven Schveighoffer (11/37) May 19 2010 Let's make it a bit clearer. Person A *used* the code from person B, an...
• Moritz Warning (9/52) May 25 2010 at the
• Moritz Warning (2/53) May 25 2010 I have to correct that line, it's more like *no comment*. :/
• Matti Niemenmaa (6/8) May 25 2010 Since this evidently needs confirming: I'm fine with relicensing any of

"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:

On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:55:51 -0400, Moritz Warning <moritzwarning web.de>  
wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:07:06 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:02:32 -0400, Moritz Warning
 <moritzwarning web.de> wrote:

 have you thought about just asking the authors of the Tango code in
 question?
 I would imagine they would say that they only see a minor resemblance
 in the api and asking wouldn't even be necessary from their point of
 view.

 One of the major authors of the Tango time module, John Chapman, cannot
 be located so until he is and agrees the proposed Phobos time module
 cannot be accepted."

 -Steve

 Well, then let's point this out (we need to contact JC, that's the
 problem at heart).
 All the blaming doesn't help anyone.

FYI, John Chapman is no longer a blocker for this path.

-Steve

Moritz Warning <moritzwarning web.de> writes:

On Thu, 13 May 2010 16:45:45 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:55:51 -0400, Moritz Warning
 <moritzwarning web.de> wrote:
 
 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:07:06 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:02:32 -0400, Moritz Warning
 <moritzwarning web.de> wrote:

 have you thought about just asking the authors of the Tango code in
 question?
 I would imagine they would say that they only see a minor resemblance
 in the api and asking wouldn't even be necessary from their point of
 view.

 One of the major authors of the Tango time module, John Chapman,
 cannot be located so until he is and agrees the proposed Phobos time
 module cannot be accepted."

 -Steve

 Well, then let's point this out (we need to contact JC, that's the
 problem at heart).
 All the blaming doesn't help anyone.

 
 FYI, John Chapman is no longer a blocker for this path.
 
 -Steve

I have asked Kris Bell and Matti Niemenmaa.
No Problem at all.

superdan <super dan.org> writes:

== Quote from Moritz Warning (moritzwarning web.de)'s article
 On Thu, 13 May 2010 16:45:45 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:55:51 -0400, Moritz Warning
 <moritzwarning web.de> wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:07:06 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:02:32 -0400, Moritz Warning
 <moritzwarning web.de> wrote:

 have you thought about just asking the authors of the Tango code in
 question?
 I would imagine they would say that they only see a minor resemblance
 in the api and asking wouldn't even be necessary from their point of
 view.

 One of the major authors of the Tango time module, John Chapman,
 cannot be located so until he is and agrees the proposed Phobos time
 module cannot be accepted."

 -Steve

 Well, then let's point this out (we need to contact JC, that's the
 problem at heart).
 All the blaming doesn't help anyone.

 FYI, John Chapman is no longer a blocker for this path.

 -Steve

 I have asked Kris Bell and Matti Niemenmaa.
 No Problem at all.

what'd lars douche say? he's da lord o' the flies over there.

Moritz Warning <moritzwarning web.de> writes:

On Tue, 18 May 2010 03:21:25 +0000, superdan wrote:

 == Quote from Moritz Warning (moritzwarning web.de)'s article
 On Thu, 13 May 2010 16:45:45 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:55:51 -0400, Moritz Warning
 <moritzwarning web.de> wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:07:06 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:02:32 -0400, Moritz Warning
 <moritzwarning web.de> wrote:

 have you thought about just asking the authors of the Tango code
 in question?
 I would imagine they would say that they only see a minor
 resemblance in the api and asking wouldn't even be necessary from
 their point of view.

 One of the major authors of the Tango time module, John Chapman,
 cannot be located so until he is and agrees the proposed Phobos
 time module cannot be accepted."

 -Steve

 Well, then let's point this out (we need to contact JC, that's the
 problem at heart).
 All the blaming doesn't help anyone.

 FYI, John Chapman is no longer a blocker for this path.

 -Steve

 I have asked Kris Bell and Matti Niemenmaa. No Problem at all.

 
 what'd lars douche say? he's da lord o' the flies over there.

Lars isn't listed as an author for the time code in Tango.
But anyway, I can't imagine that he would mind.

"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:

On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:30:35 -0400, Moritz Warning <moritzwarning web.de>  
wrote:

 Lars isn't listed as an author for the time code in Tango.
 But anyway, I can't imagine that he would mind.

People have mentioned that there are 5 authors.  Does anyone know who the  
5th author is?  He/she is not listed as an author in the source.

-Steve

superdan <super dan.org> writes:

== Quote from Steven Schveighoffer (schveiguy yahoo.com)'s article
 On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:30:35 -0400, Moritz Warning <moritzwarning web.de>
 wrote:
 Lars isn't listed as an author for the time code in Tango.
 But anyway, I can't imagine that he would mind.

 People have mentioned that there are 5 authors.  Does anyone know who the
 5th author is?  He/she is not listed as an author in the source.
 -Steve

i know who dat is. it's da mythical man-month.

superdan <super dan.org> writes:

== Quote from Moritz Warning (moritzwarning web.de)'s article
 On Tue, 18 May 2010 03:21:25 +0000, superdan wrote:
 == Quote from Moritz Warning (moritzwarning web.de)'s article
 On Thu, 13 May 2010 16:45:45 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:55:51 -0400, Moritz Warning
 <moritzwarning web.de> wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:07:06 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:02:32 -0400, Moritz Warning
 <moritzwarning web.de> wrote:

 have you thought about just asking the authors of the Tango code
 in question?
 I would imagine they would say that they only see a minor
 resemblance in the api and asking wouldn't even be necessary from
 their point of view.

 One of the major authors of the Tango time module, John Chapman,
 cannot be located so until he is and agrees the proposed Phobos
 time module cannot be accepted."

 -Steve

 Well, then let's point this out (we need to contact JC, that's the
 problem at heart).
 All the blaming doesn't help anyone.

 FYI, John Chapman is no longer a blocker for this path.

 -Steve

 I have asked Kris Bell and Matti Niemenmaa. No Problem at all.

 what'd lars douche say? he's da lord o' the flies over there.

 Lars isn't listed as an author for the time code in Tango.
 But anyway, I can't imagine that he would mind.

lotta shit came down just coz ppl couldn't imagine shit was comin' down. ask
lars
douche & get jack bauer to work on da fifth motherfucker.

wut a fucked project dis tango shit is. cocksuckers. all da mistery n shit. the
motherfuckers won't post shit but bully walt on da phone. wut the fuck is their
problem with some fucking date n fucking time fucking calculations. u dunno whom
to ask whos responsible for shit. this is fucking cambodia under fucking pol
fucking pot. guys go with boost and std.gregorian n shit. sorry shoo. tango is a
fucking boat anchor for d. shit.

"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:

On Tue, 18 May 2010 09:39:12 -0400, superdan <super dan.org> wrote:

 guys go with boost and std.gregorian n shit. sorry shoo. tango is a
 fucking boat anchor for d. shit.

Having written most of the API for tango.time, I sorta like it :)  I  
really like the API that SHOO came up with based on it.  If there's any  
way to get SHOO's code into Phobos, I want to pursue that first.  If this  
fails, we can go with boost.

-Steve

superdan <super dan.org> writes:

== Quote from Steven Schveighoffer (schveiguy yahoo.com)'s article
 On Tue, 18 May 2010 09:39:12 -0400, superdan <super dan.org> wrote:
 guys go with boost and std.gregorian n shit. sorry shoo. tango is a
 fucking boat anchor for d. shit.

 Having written most of the API for tango.time, I sorta like it :)  I
 really like the API that SHOO came up with based on it.  If there's any
 way to get SHOO's code into Phobos, I want to pursue that first.  If this
 fails, we can go with boost.
 -Steve

i feel ya bro. i once sorta liked a hoe with herpes.

way i c it is simple. it's fucking dates and fucking times. wut the fuck. ain't
a
fucking operating system. no matter how u dress a pig u still call it a fucking
pig. if u have da datetime functionality it don't matter to be cute. we is
wasting
time sucking lars douche's cock 2 give us permission 2 his fucking shit. fuck
that
shit. dis must be da least amount of power that got to some idiot's head.

Moritz Warning <moritzwarning web.de> writes:

On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:24:40 +0000, superdan wrote:

 == Quote from Steven Schveighoffer (schveiguy yahoo.com)'s article
 On Tue, 18 May 2010 09:39:12 -0400, superdan <super dan.org> wrote:
 guys go with boost and std.gregorian n shit. sorry shoo. tango is a
 fucking boat anchor for d. shit.

 Having written most of the API for tango.time, I sorta like it :)  I
 really like the API that SHOO came up with based on it.  If there's any
 way to get SHOO's code into Phobos, I want to pursue that first.  If
 this fails, we can go with boost.
 -Steve

 
 i feel ya bro. i once sorta liked a hoe with herpes.
 
 way i c it is simple. it's fucking dates and fucking times. wut the
 fuck. ain't a fucking operating system. no matter how u dress a pig u
 still call it a fucking pig. if u have da datetime functionality it
 don't matter to be cute. we is wasting time sucking lars douche's cock 2
 give us permission 2 his fucking shit. fuck that shit. dis must be da
 least amount of power that got to some idiot's head.

Wut?

Person A wrote some code and had a look at code from person B.
Now person C says that A need to get permission from B so that C can use 
the code from A.
The reason is because the license of the code written by B isn't quite 
compatible with the license recently chosen by C.

And now you are calling B an idiot/douche for that reason?

"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:

On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:10:05 -0400, Moritz Warning <moritzwarning web.de>  
wrote:

 On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:24:40 +0000, superdan wrote:

 == Quote from Steven Schveighoffer (schveiguy yahoo.com)'s article
 On Tue, 18 May 2010 09:39:12 -0400, superdan <super dan.org> wrote:
 guys go with boost and std.gregorian n shit. sorry shoo. tango is a
 fucking boat anchor for d. shit.

 Having written most of the API for tango.time, I sorta like it :)  I
 really like the API that SHOO came up with based on it.  If there's any
 way to get SHOO's code into Phobos, I want to pursue that first.  If
 this fails, we can go with boost.
 -Steve

 i feel ya bro. i once sorta liked a hoe with herpes.

 way i c it is simple. it's fucking dates and fucking times. wut the
 fuck. ain't a fucking operating system. no matter how u dress a pig u
 still call it a fucking pig. if u have da datetime functionality it
 don't matter to be cute. we is wasting time sucking lars douche's cock 2
 give us permission 2 his fucking shit. fuck that shit. dis must be da
 least amount of power that got to some idiot's head.

 Wut?

 Person A wrote some code and had a look at code from person B.
 Now person C says that A need to get permission from B so that C can use
 the code from A.
 The reason is because the license of the code written by B isn't quite
 compatible with the license recently chosen by C.

 And now you are calling B an idiot/douche for that reason?

Let's make it a bit clearer.  Person A *used* the code from person B, and  
used the *documentation* of said code to write his own similar library.   
Person A has not claimed that he looked at the source.  Person B claims  
that it is impossible to do so without actually looking at the source, but  
has not yet cited any specific copying.  Person C doesn't want any  
trouble, and just is being extra careful.

I don't really like the situation, but if this is the way it has to be,  
then let's get it done and move on.

-Steve

Moritz Warning <moritzwarning web.de> writes:

On Wed, 19 May 2010 06:45:42 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:10:05 -0400, Moritz Warning
 <moritzwarning web.de> wrote:
 
 On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:24:40 +0000, superdan wrote:

 == Quote from Steven Schveighoffer (schveiguy yahoo.com)'s article
 On Tue, 18 May 2010 09:39:12 -0400, superdan <super dan.org> wrote:
 guys go with boost and std.gregorian n shit. sorry shoo. tango is a
 fucking boat anchor for d. shit.

 Having written most of the API for tango.time, I sorta like it :)  I
 really like the API that SHOO came up with based on it.  If there's
 any way to get SHOO's code into Phobos, I want to pursue that first. 
 If this fails, we can go with boost.
 -Steve

 i feel ya bro. i once sorta liked a hoe with herpes.

 way i c it is simple. it's fucking dates and fucking times. wut the
 fuck. ain't a fucking operating system. no matter how u dress a pig u
 still call it a fucking pig. if u have da datetime functionality it
 don't matter to be cute. we is wasting time sucking lars douche's cock
 2 give us permission 2 his fucking shit. fuck that shit. dis must be
 da least amount of power that got to some idiot's head.

 Wut?

 Person A wrote some code and had a look at code from person B. Now
 person C says that A need to get permission from B so that C can use
 the code from A.
 The reason is because the license of the code written by B isn't quite
 compatible with the license recently chosen by C.

 And now you are calling B an idiot/douche for that reason?

 
 Let's make it a bit clearer.  Person A *used* the code from person B,
 and used the *documentation* of said code to write his own similar
 library. Person A has not claimed that he looked at the source.

I agree, that's more accurate.

 Person B claims that it is impossible to do so without actually looking 

at the
 source, but has not yet cited any specific copying.  Person C doesn't
 want any trouble, and just is being extra careful.

Afaik, Person B haven't looked at the source in question but relied on 
what others said.
I think it was a move forward in anticipation to Person Cs license 
sensibility.
Anyway, Person B haven't hesitated when asked to give permission himself.


 I don't really like the situation, but if this is the way it has to be,
 then let's get it done and move on.

right :)

 -Steve

Moritz Warning <moritzwarning web.de> writes:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:12:14 +0000, Moritz Warning wrote:

 On Wed, 19 May 2010 06:45:42 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 
 On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:10:05 -0400, Moritz Warning
 <moritzwarning web.de> wrote:
 
 On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:24:40 +0000, superdan wrote:

 == Quote from Steven Schveighoffer (schveiguy yahoo.com)'s article
 On Tue, 18 May 2010 09:39:12 -0400, superdan <super dan.org> wrote:
 guys go with boost and std.gregorian n shit. sorry shoo. tango is
 a fucking boat anchor for d. shit.

 Having written most of the API for tango.time, I sorta like it :)  I
 really like the API that SHOO came up with based on it.  If there's
 any way to get SHOO's code into Phobos, I want to pursue that first.
 If this fails, we can go with boost.
 -Steve

 i feel ya bro. i once sorta liked a hoe with herpes.

 way i c it is simple. it's fucking dates and fucking times. wut the
 fuck. ain't a fucking operating system. no matter how u dress a pig u
 still call it a fucking pig. if u have da datetime functionality it
 don't matter to be cute. we is wasting time sucking lars douche's
 cock 2 give us permission 2 his fucking shit. fuck that shit. dis
 must be da least amount of power that got to some idiot's head.

 Wut?

 Person A wrote some code and had a look at code from person B. Now
 person C says that A need to get permission from B so that C can use
 the code from A.
 The reason is because the license of the code written by B isn't quite
 compatible with the license recently chosen by C.

 And now you are calling B an idiot/douche for that reason?

 
 Let's make it a bit clearer.  Person A *used* the code from person B,
 and used the *documentation* of said code to write his own similar
 library. Person A has not claimed that he looked at the source.

 I agree, that's more accurate.
 
 Person B claims that it is impossible to do so without actually looking

 at the
 source, but has not yet cited any specific copying.  Person C doesn't
 want any trouble, and just is being extra careful.

 Afaik, Person B haven't looked at the source in question but relied on
 what others said.
 I think it was a move forward in anticipation to Person Cs license
 sensibility.
 Anyway, Person B haven't hesitated when asked to give permission
 himself.

I have to correct that line, it's more like *no comment*. :/

Matti Niemenmaa <see_signature for.real.address> writes:

On 2010-05-14 00:52, Moritz Warning wrote:
 I have asked Kris Bell and Matti Niemenmaa.
 No Problem at all.

Since this evidently needs confirming: I'm fine with relicensing any of 
my contributions to the tango.time modules under the Boost Software 
License, Version 1.0.

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