digitalmars.D.announce - [OT] Region-Based Storage Management: ParaSailing without a (Garbage)
- Paulo Pinto (9/9) Feb 10 2013 Hi,
- bearophile (9/15) Feb 10 2013 Seems interesting, almost 90 minutes of talk. Do you know if
- Paulo Pinto (4/15) Feb 10 2013 Did not found any, besides the official blog.
- bearophile (13/14) Feb 15 2013 Half of the talk is about Parasail language in general. Despite
- Tucker Taft (12/16) Feb 17 2013 ParaSail is not really based on Ada, but it does try to
- bearophile (22/25) Feb 17 2013 Wow Tucker Taft himself :-) You seem quite expert, despite the
- Paulo Pinto (8/18) Feb 18 2013 Thanks for clearing that up. I got that impression due to the Ada like
Hi, some might find this interesting. A presentation about the ParaSail, system programming language based on Ada. https://air.mozilla.org/region-based-storage-management-parasailing-without-a-garbage-chute/ It makes use of regions and compiler inference to automatically manage memory, instead of using a GC. Maybe some ideas for D types with custom allocators. -- Paulo
Feb 10 2013
Paulo Pinto:A presentation about the ParaSail, system programming language based on Ada. https://air.mozilla.org/region-based-storage-management-parasailing-without-a-garbage-chute/Seems interesting, almost 90 minutes of talk. Do you know if there is a link to download the slides?It makes use of regions and compiler inference to automatically manage memory, instead of using a GC.It sounds similar to what Rust does.Maybe some ideas for D types with custom allocators.To manage the regions Rust uses specific features of the type system (and a specific built-in syntax to parametrize types according to their region with a T/region syntax). Bye, bearophile
Feb 10 2013
Paulo Pinto <pjmlp progtools.org> Am 10.02.2013 15:16, schrieb bearophile:Paulo Pinto:Did not found any, besides the official blog. http://parasail-programming-language.blogspot.de/A presentation about the ParaSail, system programming language based on Ada. https://air.mozilla.org/region-based-storage-management-parasailing-without-a-garbage-chute/Seems interesting, almost 90 minutes of talk. Do you know if there is a link to download the slides?Yes, the Rust developers are part of the audience.It makes use of regions and compiler inference to automatically manage memory, instead of using a GC.It sounds similar to what Rust does.
Feb 10 2013
Paulo Pinto:https://air.mozilla.org/region-based-storage-management-parasailing-without-a-garbage-chute/Half of the talk is about Parasail language in general. Despite the parallelism it looks like a simple enough language to learn (maybe even simpler than Go). At 9.08-9.56 he says "you have to specify the names of the objects you are referencing from the outer scope." It's like my idea of outer(): http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5007 At 40.27-40.43 he shows a very easy to understand graph of how Rust manages its memory. When you have many CPU cores I think that organization scales better than D memory management. Bye, bearophile
Feb 15 2013
On Sunday, 10 February 2013 at 09:50:30 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:Hi, some might find this interesting. A presentation about the ParaSail, system programming language based on Ada. ...ParaSail is not really based on Ada, but it does try to incorporate good ideas from a number of languages, including Ada, ML/OCaml, Modula/Oberon, D ;-), etc. For more information on the design and implementation of ParaSail see: http://parasail-programming-language.blogspot.com -Tuck P.S. the e-mail address is a fake. If you want to reach me best is to post a question to the blog or the ParaSail Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/parasail-programming-language -T
Feb 17 2013
Tucker Taft:ParaSail is not really based on Ada, but it does try to incorporate good ideas from a number of languages, including Ada, ML/OCaml, Modula/Oberon, D ;-), etc.Wow Tucker Taft himself :-) You seem quite expert, despite the very friendly attitude shown in this talk. As seen in a talk slide ParaSail throws away *lot* of stuff, to fulfill its main purpose of allowing lot of parallelism in an imperative language. While D is more a "kitchen sink" language, that takes lot of stuff from C, C++, Java and more. So D seems much more complex than ParaSail. On the other hand most things present in D are useful/handy. I don't know how well D will work on CPUs with 50-200 cores. The current simple GC has problems even on a single core, so on 100 cores I think it will become a mess. The Rust memory model seems quite more fit for that: http://i.imgur.com/16rxWXY.png The ParaSail idea of the need to specify what variables to use from outer scope is an idea that I like since few years, and I'd like a form of it in D (with an optional outer() or something similar) because in the years I have seen many problems caused by using by mistake identifiers from outer scopes. Bye, bearophile
Feb 17 2013
Am 18.02.2013 01:22, schrieb Tucker Taft:On Sunday, 10 February 2013 at 09:50:30 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:Thanks for clearing that up. I got that impression due to the Ada like syntax and being developed by Ada Core. Only afterwards I discovered that you were already developing ParaSail before joining Ada Core. It looks nice though. -- PauloHi, some might find this interesting. A presentation about the ParaSail, system programming language based on Ada. ...ParaSail is not really based on Ada, but it does try to incorporate good ideas from a number of languages, including Ada, ML/OCaml, Modula/Oberon, D ;-), etc.
Feb 18 2013