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reply "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is an
newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more like a forum
(that's what you demanded, right?).

Currently it is readonly, updated infrequently and have some known bugs.
Testing needed!

User registration, post submition (of course!), post editing/removal, search
(per forum/per thread etc) - not supported atm (but will be soon!)

Forum theme is copyrighted and needs to be changed by something free.

Feedback, bugs detected, suggestions etc are *very* much appreciated!

Check it out:
http://dnews.naxx.ru
Dec 16 2008
next sibling parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <jarrett.billingsley gmail.com> writes:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Denis Koroskin <2korden gmail.com> wrote:

 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is an
 newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more like a
 forum (that's what you demanded, right?).

 Currently it is readonly, updated infrequently and have some known bugs.
 Testing needed!

 User registration, post submition (of course!), post editing/removal, search
 (per forum/per thread etc) - not supported atm (but will be soon!)

 Forum theme is copyrighted and needs to be changed by something free.

 Feedback, bugs detected, suggestions etc are *very* much appreciated!

 Check it out:
 http://dnews.naxx.ru


Wow, this looks fantastic.  I can't wait to use it :)

One thing I notice, though - maybe it's not noticeable on larger
screens - but on my laptop, the content is not centered.  The left
side of the content starts about 1/4-1/3 of the way across the screen
so that all the content is smushed against the right side.
Dec 16 2008
parent "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:32:22 +0300, Jarrett Billingsley
<jarrett.billingsley gmail.com> wrote:


 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Denis Koroskin <2korden gmail.com>  
 wrote:

 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is an
 newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more like a
 forum (that's what you demanded, right?).

 Currently it is readonly, updated infrequently and have some known bugs.
 Testing needed!

 User registration, post submition (of course!), post editing/removal,  
 search
 (per forum/per thread etc) - not supported atm (but will be soon!)

 Forum theme is copyrighted and needs to be changed by something free.

 Feedback, bugs detected, suggestions etc are *very* much appreciated!

 Check it out:
 http://dnews.naxx.ru


 Wow, this looks fantastic.  I can't wait to use it :)

 One thing I notice, though - maybe it's not noticeable on larger
 screens - but on my laptop, the content is not centered.  The left
 side of the content starts about 1/4-1/3 of the way across the screen
 so that all the content is smushed against the right side.


Some kind of menu will be there other day. I removed the gap for now.
Dec 16 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent reply BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Denis,


 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is
 an newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more
 like a forum (that's what you demanded, right?).


COOL

I hit this page:  http://dnews.naxx.ru/topic.php?id=117556   and it started 
trying to download and save files. Is that a bug?  (FF2)
Dec 16 2008
next sibling parent "Jarrett Billingsley" <jarrett.billingsley gmail.com> writes:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM, BCS <ao pathlink.com> wrote:

 Reply to Denis,


 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is
 an newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more
 like a forum (that's what you demanded, right?).


 COOL

 I hit this page:  http://dnews.naxx.ru/topic.php?id=117556   and it started
 trying to download and save files. Is that a bug?  (FF2)


Same here, with FF3.  It seems to want to download the raw messages
rather than putting their text into the page.  I just figured it's
very early in development now.
Dec 16 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent Chad J <gamerchad __spam.is.bad__gmail.com> writes:
BCS wrote:

 Reply to Denis,
 

 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is
 an newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more
 like a forum (that's what you demanded, right?).


 
 COOL
 
 I hit this page:  http://dnews.naxx.ru/topic.php?id=117556   and it
 started trying to download and save files. Is that a bug?  (FF2)
 
 


I ran into that bug too.  Whenever I click on a thread to view it, it
asks me if I want to download .msg files (1 for every post in the
thread).  It also doesn't display the thread contents.

Denis:
I'll also say it looks really nice.
Awesome job for a few days of work.
Thank you for doing this!
Dec 16 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent "Saaa" <empty needmail.com> writes:
Same here, it tries to download/save the messages (FF3.04)


 COOL

 I hit this page:  http://dnews.naxx.ru/topic.php?id=117556   and it 
 started trying to download and save files. Is that a bug?  (FF2)
Dec 16 2008
prev sibling parent reply "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:37:07 +0300, BCS <ao pathlink.com> wrote:


 Reply to Denis,


 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is
 an newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more
 like a forum (that's what you demanded, right?).


 COOL

 I hit this page:  http://dnews.naxx.ru/topic.php?id=117556   and it  
 started trying to download and save files. Is that a bug?  (FF2)


Hm... Yes, it's bug.

I tested it with Opera 10 and Internet Explorer and it works fine for them.
I have changed file extension to htm, this should fix the problem.
Dec 16 2008
next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:op.umaqdlx2o7cclz worker...

 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:37:07 +0300, BCS <ao pathlink.com> wrote:


 Reply to Denis,


 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is
 an newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more
 like a forum (that's what you demanded, right?).


 COOL

 I hit this page:  http://dnews.naxx.ru/topic.php?id=117556   and it 
 started trying to download and save files. Is that a bug?  (FF2)


 Hm... Yes, it's bug.

 I tested it with Opera 10 and Internet Explorer and it works fine for 
 them.
 I have changed file extension to htm, this should fix the problem.


You sure you're not sending a bad mime-type in the http headers? (I haven't 
checked)
Dec 17 2008
parent "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:23:37 +0300, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> wrote in message
 news:op.umaqdlx2o7cclz worker...

 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:37:07 +0300, BCS <ao pathlink.com> wrote:


 Reply to Denis,


 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is
 an newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more
 like a forum (that's what you demanded, right?).


 COOL

 I hit this page:  http://dnews.naxx.ru/topic.php?id=117556   and it
 started trying to download and save files. Is that a bug?  (FF2)


 Hm... Yes, it's bug.

 I tested it with Opera 10 and Internet Explorer and it works fine for
 them.
 I have changed file extension to htm, this should fix the problem.


 You sure you're not sending a bad mime-type in the http headers? (I  
 haven't
 checked)


Yes, that was the reason. I host those messages in a free server that  
appends some adds to htm/html files at the end. For other file types  
server was sending wrong headers to force downloading.

I'll switch server in short time (hopefully).
Dec 17 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <jarrett.billingsley gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Denis Koroskin <2korden gmail.com> wrote:

 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:37:07 +0300, BCS <ao pathlink.com> wrote:


 Reply to Denis,


 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is
 an newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more
 like a forum (that's what you demanded, right?).


 COOL

 I hit this page:  http://dnews.naxx.ru/topic.php?id=117556   and it
 started trying to download and save files. Is that a bug?  (FF2)


 Hm... Yes, it's bug.

 I tested it with Opera 10 and Internet Explorer and it works fine for them.
 I have changed file extension to htm, this should fix the problem.


Awesome, the text displays in-line now.  (The content also spans the
whole width of the screen, thanks.)

However the text doesn't wrap to the size of the content box, and has
scrollbars on it..?  For example:

http://dnews.naxx.ru/topic.php?id=110721

It makes it terribly difficult to read.

I see you're using an iframe to hold the contents of the posts.  Any reason?
Dec 17 2008
parent "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:19:42 +0300, Jarrett Billingsley  
<jarrett.billingsley gmail.com> wrote:


 On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Denis Koroskin <2korden gmail.com>  
 wrote:

 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:37:07 +0300, BCS <ao pathlink.com> wrote:


 Reply to Denis,


 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is
 an newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more
 like a forum (that's what you demanded, right?).


 COOL

 I hit this page:  http://dnews.naxx.ru/topic.php?id=117556   and it
 started trying to download and save files. Is that a bug?  (FF2)


 Hm... Yes, it's bug.

 I tested it with Opera 10 and Internet Explorer and it works fine for  
 them.
 I have changed file extension to htm, this should fix the problem.


 Awesome, the text displays in-line now.  (The content also spans the
 whole width of the screen, thanks.)

 However the text doesn't wrap to the size of the content box, and has
 scrollbars on it..?  For example:

 http://dnews.naxx.ru/topic.php?id=110721

 It makes it terribly difficult to read.


I am aware of this issue and has a fix for it. Message will be  
automatically adjusted to fit into screen so no scrollbar anymore.


 I see you're using an iframe to hold the contents of the posts.  Any  
 reason?


There are two of them and both are minor:

1) Posts have different encodings (some are utf8, others are latin1,  
windows1251, windows1254, koi8-r etc). Perhaps I could use iconv (or  
similar tool) to convert them all into utf8...
2) Storing messages separately reduces database size and page loading time.

They also have some disadvantages:
1) Page may jerk a little during frames loading and adjustment
2) I bet messages won't be indexed by Google properly :(

Initially I wanted to host messages on several different server to further  
reduce workaload and improve speed alittle, but now I am not sure if it is  
reasonable. Unfortunately, adjusting frames from cross domain doesn't  
work. And putting them into the same domain doesn't differ from putting  
them into a database.

So I'll most probably switch to a database solution. Today, perhaps.

BTW, there are other newsgroup on DigitalMars.com (rangelib, electronics,  
empire, c++ etc), does anyone use them? Should I import them, too?
Dec 17 2008
prev sibling parent reply "Stewart Gordon" <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
"Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:op.umaqdlx2o7cclz worker...
<snip>

 I tested it with Opera 10 and Internet Explorer and it works fine for 
 them.
 I have changed file extension to htm, this should fix the problem.


That doesn't fix the problem.  It merely works around it.

Besides, the standard extension for HTML files is html, not htm.

Stewart.

-- 
My e-mail address is valid but not my primary mailbox.  Please keep replies 
on the 'group where everybody may benefit.
Dec 17 2008
parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Stewart Gordon" <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:gibslk$nsu$1 digitalmars.com...

 "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> wrote in message 
 news:op.umaqdlx2o7cclz worker...
 <snip>

 I tested it with Opera 10 and Internet Explorer and it works fine for 
 them.
 I have changed file extension to htm, this should fix the problem.


 That doesn't fix the problem.  It merely works around it.

 Besides, the standard extension for HTML files is html, not htm.


Things like that are pet peeves of mine (ie, using ".htm" instead of 
".html", ".jpg" instead of ".jpeg", etc.) The only reason for the 
three-letter versions in the first place was Windows 3.11 and prior. Such 
restriction was removed over a decade ago.
Dec 17 2008
next sibling parent reply BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Nick,


 Such restriction was removed over a decade ago.
 


Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! You are making be feel Old!
Dec 17 2008
parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"BCS" <ao pathlink.com> wrote in message 
news:78ccfa2d373708cb2e7158fcfd66 news.digitalmars.com...

 Reply to Nick,


 Such restriction was removed over a decade ago.


 Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! You are making be feel Old!


Hey, I've spent plenty of time dealing with 8.3 filenames myself.  That's 
why I'm so adamant about leaving them in the past ;)
Dec 17 2008
parent Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 "BCS" <ao pathlink.com> wrote in message 
 news:78ccfa2d373708cb2e7158fcfd66 news.digitalmars.com...

 Reply to Nick,


 Such restriction was removed over a decade ago.


 Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! You are making be feel Old!


 
 Hey, I've spent plenty of time dealing with 8.3 filenames myself.  That's 
 why I'm so adamant about leaving them in the past ;) 



Hey, I've finally gotten my mind around ditching them!
Dec 18 2008
prev sibling parent "Jim Hewes" <jimhewes gmail.com> writes:
"Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> wrote in message 
news:gibvps$squ$1 digitalmars.com...

 "Stewart Gordon" <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> wrote in message 
 news:gibslk$nsu$1 digitalmars.com...
 Things like that are pet peeves of mine (ie, using ".htm" instead of 
 ".html", ".jpg" instead of ".jpeg", etc.) The only reason for the 
 three-letter versions in the first place was Windows 3.11 and prior. Such 
 restriction was removed over a decade ago.


I've encountered trouble with Windows Installer when trying to install files 
with long filenames onto Windows 98. It just wouldn't install the files 
correctly. I never found out the exact cause but instead just renamed the 
files back to short names to fix it. Fortunately we've recently dropped 
support for Windows 98. :)  But for driver files that have to go into 
C:\Windows\System32 I still have a fear of breaking away from 8.3. Maybe 
it's superstition at this point, but who knows what 8.3 troubles still lurk 
in Windows.

Jim
Dec 27 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent Marco <marco nospam.com> writes:
thanks I need this
seems to work fine with Firefox 3.0.1
Dec 17 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent reply John Reimer <terminal.node gmail.com> writes:
Hello Denis,


 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is
 an newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more
 like a forum (that's what you demanded, right?).
 
 Currently it is readonly, updated infrequently and have some known
 bugs. Testing needed!
 
 User registration, post submition (of course!), post editing/removal,
 search (per forum/per thread etc) - not supported atm (but will be
 soon!)
 
 Forum theme is copyrighted and needs to be changed by something free.
 
 Feedback, bugs detected, suggestions etc are *very* much appreciated!
 
 Check it out:
 http://dnews.naxx.ru



Looking good so far.  I think you are on to something.


of a  .  Is that intended to help avoid spambots?

-JJR
Dec 17 2008
parent "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:19:54 +0300, John Reimer <terminal.node gmail.com>  
wrote:


 Hello Denis,


 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is
 an newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more
 like a forum (that's what you demanded, right?).
  Currently it is readonly, updated infrequently and have some known
 bugs. Testing needed!
  User registration, post submition (of course!), post editing/removal,
 search (per forum/per thread etc) - not supported atm (but will be
 soon!)
  Forum theme is copyrighted and needs to be changed by something free.
  Feedback, bugs detected, suggestions etc are *very* much appreciated!
  Check it out:
 http://dnews.naxx.ru



 Looking good so far.  I think you are on to something.


 instead of a  .  Is that intended to help avoid spambots?

 -JJR


Right
Dec 17 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent reply KennyTM~ <kennytm gmail.com> writes:
Denis Koroskin wrote:

 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is an 
 newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more like a 
 forum (that's what you demanded, right?).
 
 Currently it is readonly, updated infrequently and have some known bugs. 
 Testing needed!
 
 User registration, post submition (of course!), post editing/removal, 
 search (per forum/per thread etc) - not supported atm (but will be soon!)
 
 Forum theme is copyrighted and needs to be changed by something free.
 
 Feedback, bugs detected, suggestions etc are *very* much appreciated!
 
 Check it out:
 http://dnews.naxx.ru


Looks nice :)

The page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | etc | 229 | 230 stuff could probably be 
condensed to links to first 10 pages and then followed by an input box 
to save space :)
Dec 17 2008
parent "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:22:32 +0300, KennyTM~ <kennytm gmail.com> wrote:


 Denis Koroskin wrote:

 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is an  
 newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more like  
 a forum (that's what you demanded, right?).
  Currently it is readonly, updated infrequently and have some known  
 bugs. Testing needed!
  User registration, post submition (of course!), post editing/removal,  
 search (per forum/per thread etc) - not supported atm (but will be  
 soon!)
  Forum theme is copyrighted and needs to be changed by something free.
  Feedback, bugs detected, suggestions etc are *very* much appreciated!
  Check it out:
 http://dnews.naxx.ru


 Looks nice :)

 The page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | etc | 229 | 230 stuff could probably be  
 condensed to links to first 10 pages and then followed by an input box  
 to save space :)


Nice idea. Done!
Dec 17 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent Moritz Warning <moritzwarning web.de> writes:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:58:59 +0300, Denis Koroskin wrote:


 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days. This is an
 newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more like a
 forum (that's what you demanded, right?).
 
 Currently it is readonly, updated infrequently and have some known bugs.
 Testing needed!
 
 User registration, post submition (of course!), post editing/removal,
 search (per forum/per thread etc) - not supported atm (but will be
 soon!)
 
 Forum theme is copyrighted and needs to be changed by something free.
 
 Feedback, bugs detected, suggestions etc are *very* much appreciated!
 
 Check it out:
 http://dnews.naxx.ru


Nice work, thanks.

Btw., the font is a too small imho.
Dec 17 2008
prev sibling parent reply "Stewart Gordon" <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
"Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:op.umaaglh1o7cclz worker...

 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days.  This is an 
 newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more like a 
 forum (that's what you demanded, right?).


Did I?  I don't remember....

<snip>

 Forum theme is copyrighted and needs to be changed by something free.


?


 Feedback, bugs detected, suggestions etc are *very* much appreciated!


1. There seem to be a lot of broken links.  If they're to functionality you 
haven't implemented yet, then remove these links until you have.  The user 
shouldn't have to hunt and peck to find out what works and what doesn't.

2. Speaking of broken links, is there any chance of the 404 page being 
translated into English?

3. You neglect to convert characters that have special meanings in HTML. 
This causes some posts to display incorrectly.
<script language="javascript" type="text/javascript"><!--
window.parent.document.title='XSS exploit!';
// --></script>

4. How about auto-linking URLs?

5. http://validator.w3.org/

Stewart.

-- 
My e-mail address is valid but not my primary mailbox.  Please keep replies 
on the 'group where everybody may benefit.
Dec 17 2008
parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <jarrett.billingsley gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> wrote:

 "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> wrote in message
 news:op.umaaglh1o7cclz worker...

 I have been working on new newsgroups archive last few days.  This is an
 newsgroup posts archive structured in a way so that it feels more like a
 forum (that's what you demanded, right?).


 Did I?  I don't remember....


Oh Stewart.  Remember, the world doesn't revolve around you.
Dec 17 2008
parent Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:
Jarrett Billingsley Wrote:


 Did I?  I don't remember....


 
 Oh Stewart.  Remember, the world doesn't revolve around you.


Yeah, it revolves around Me :) Remember it.
Dec 18 2008