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reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
The DConf schedule was announced last Sunday. I've just published 
a write-up about it on the blog for the world-at-large. Please 
help us out by sharing this post in your social media circles.

The blog:
https://dlang.org/blog/2019/03/22/dconf-2019-london-programme/

Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/b45bxp/dconf_2019_london_programme/
Mar 22 2019
next sibling parent Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy gmail.com> writes:
On 3/22/19 9:58 AM, Mike Parker wrote:

 The DConf schedule was announced last Sunday. I've just published a 
 write-up about it on the blog for the world-at-large. Please help us out 
 by sharing this post in your social media circles.
 
 The blog:
 https://dlang.org/blog/2019/03/22/dconf-2019-london-programme/
 
 Reddit:
 https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/b45bxp/dconf_20
9_london_programme/ 
 


Side note, I started using mewe (and I really am not a social media 
type, so I doubt it will get a lot of use from me). And I created a 
Dlang group, if anyone is on there, feel free to join.

https://mewe.com/group/5c7174c35ff915267872a688

-Steve
Mar 22 2019
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Piotrek <thereisnone thereisnone.net> writes:
On Friday, 22 March 2019 at 13:58:01 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 The DConf schedule was announced last Sunday. I've just 
 published a write-up about it on the blog for the 
 world-at-large. Please help us out by sharing this post in your 
 social media circles.



As usual, Ali is bringing something cool:
"The D programming language is used in writing development tools 
at Mercedes-Benz Research and Development, North America."

This is a great sign that D can get more awareness in the 
automotive industry. Looking forward to D on wheels.

Cheers,
Piotrek
Mar 23 2019
parent reply =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 03/23/2019 02:02 AM, Piotrek wrote:


 As usual, Ali is bringing something cool:
 "The D programming language is used in writing development tools at
 Mercedes-Benz Research and Development, North America."


Thank you but this is only about software development tools.


 This is a great sign that D can get more awareness in the automotive
 industry. Looking forward to D on wheels.


Don't hold your breath. :) With the disclaimer that I don't and can't 
speak for my employer, the automotive industry takes safety very 
seriously and embraces standards and guidelines like ISO 26262, MISRA, 
AUTOSAR, etc. I think every manufacturer should scrutinize all hardware 
and software components including compilers and libraries that they use.

Coding guidelines like MISRA and AUTOSAR have been developed and matured 
for C++ for years. There is no equivalent for D for it to be even 
considered by the automotive industry.


 Cheers,
 Piotrek


Ali
Mar 23 2019
parent reply Piotrek <thereisnone thereisnone.net> writes:
On Saturday, 23 March 2019 at 10:09:12 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 Thank you but this is only about software development tools.


I know. But that's still a good marketing. And I'm fan of your 
tech talks as well.


 Coding guidelines like MISRA and AUTOSAR have been developed 
 and matured for C++ for years. There is no equivalent for D for 
 it to be even considered by the automotive industry.


Well, MISRA is an evidance that C (C++) is quite error prone by 
desing.
I think, D can do better, . And the lack of dedicated tools is 
just a consequence of shortage on funds.

And I always say that the fact that C needs so many different 
tools (including those for AUTOSAR) is its disadventage actually 
(they consumes a lot of money and development time). But it is 
how the World works now. But who knows the furure? ;)

Cheers,
Piotrek
Apr 12 2019
parent Mike Franklin <slavo5150 yahoo.com> writes:
On Friday, 12 April 2019 at 17:55:28 UTC, Piotrek wrote:


 Coding guidelines like MISRA and AUTOSAR have been developed 
 and matured for C++ for years. There is no equivalent for D 
 for it to be even considered by the automotive industry.


 Well, MISRA is an evidance that C (C++) is quite error prone by 
 desing.
 I think, D can do better, . And the lack of dedicated tools is 
 just a consequence of shortage on funds.

 And I always say that the fact that C needs so many different 
 tools (including those for AUTOSAR) is its disadventage 
 actually (they consumes a lot of money and development time). 
 But it is how the World works now. But who knows the furure? ;)


+1
Apr 15 2019
prev sibling parent reply bauss <jj_1337 live.dk> writes:
On Friday, 22 March 2019 at 13:58:01 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 The DConf schedule was announced last Sunday. I've just 
 published a write-up about it on the blog for the 
 world-at-large. Please help us out by sharing this post in your 
 social media circles.

 The blog:
 https://dlang.org/blog/2019/03/22/dconf-2019-london-programme/

 Reddit:
 https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/b45bxp/dconf_2019_london_programme/


Just going to respond to this:

"If you haven’t visited the site in a while, you’ll surely notice 
that it’s been redesigned. The old version was not responsive and 
was quite annoying to manipulate on small screens."

The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional.

While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least 
slightly better.

It just doesn't look very well done.

I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like 
someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the design 
of the page.
Apr 06 2019
next sibling parent Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote:

 Just going to respond to this:

 "If you haven’t visited the site in a while, you’ll surely 
 notice that it’s been redesigned. The old version was not 
 responsive and was quite annoying to manipulate on small 
 screens."

 The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional.

 While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least 
 slightly better.

 It just doesn't look very well done.

 I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like 
 someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the 
 design of the page.


Well, it takes up less browser resources than my proposal for 
DConf 2018 ;-)

https://wilzbach.github.io/dconf18/

Source: https://github.com/wilzbach/dconf18
Apr 06 2019
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote:

 The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional.

 While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least 
 slightly better.

 It just doesn't look very well done.

 I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like 
 someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the 
 design of the page.


Perhaps raising money to pay an experienced web designer would be 
a good topic for a fundraiser later this year.
Apr 06 2019
next sibling parent reply bauss <jj_1337 live.dk> writes:
On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 06:19:31 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote:

 The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional.

 While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least 
 slightly better.

 It just doesn't look very well done.

 I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like 
 someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the 
 design of the page.


 Perhaps raising money to pay an experienced web designer would 
 be a good topic for a fundraiser later this year.


I think that would be a great idea. I'd tip in with some cash for 
that.
Apr 07 2019
parent reply matheus <m gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 07:03:34 UTC, bauss wrote:

 On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 06:19:31 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote:

 The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional.

 While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least 
 slightly better.

 It just doesn't look very well done.

 I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like 
 someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the 
 design of the page.


 Perhaps raising money to pay an experienced web designer would 
 be a good topic for a fundraiser later this year.


 I think that would be a great idea. I'd tip in with some cash 
 for that.


Design is a complicated matter and thankfully I'm mostly back-end 
developer.

But one thing that I see around here is a excess of borders in 
the layout which may sound dated and for me a visual pollution.

For example let's take this Forum (https://forum.dlang.org):

Starting with the names:

D Programming Language - New users
D Programming Language - Community
D Programming Language - Ecosystem
.
.
.

Why "D Programming Language" + Something?

I think it's pretty obvious when someone is here that they are 
accessing a D Programming Language Forum.

Like I said above I think this forums has an excess of borders 
and I'd prefer something like this: 
https://i.imgur.com/OQCPojN.png than what you have today, but 
this is a personal taste.

But I asked a friend who design pages for living and he agreed. 
In fact he said that we should get rid of "Threads, Posts" 
columns too, or may give a light background color according the 
Topic (New users, Community etc.).

By the way the Forum is my main grip today when using mobile.

Matheus.
Apr 08 2019
next sibling parent reply Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Monday, 8 April 2019 at 16:42:50 UTC, matheus wrote:

 On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 07:03:34 UTC, bauss wrote:

 [...]


 Design is a complicated matter and thankfully I'm mostly 
 back-end developer.

 [...]


Please move this discussions and ideas to DFeed ;-)

https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed
Apr 08 2019
parent reply matheus <m g.com> writes:
On Monday, 8 April 2019 at 16:48:19 UTC, Seb wrote:

 On Monday, 8 April 2019 at 16:42:50 UTC, matheus wrote:

 On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 07:03:34 UTC, bauss wrote:

 [...]


 Design is a complicated matter and thankfully I'm mostly 
 back-end developer.

 [...]


 Please move this discussions and ideas to DFeed ;-)

 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed


Sorry this may sound weird but I don't have a github account.

But if you think this could be useful please go ahead. :)

Matheus.
Apr 08 2019
parent Andre Pany <andre s-e-a-p.de> writes:
On Monday, 8 April 2019 at 17:01:25 UTC, matheus wrote:

 On Monday, 8 April 2019 at 16:48:19 UTC, Seb wrote:

 On Monday, 8 April 2019 at 16:42:50 UTC, matheus wrote:

 On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 07:03:34 UTC, bauss wrote:

 [...]


 Design is a complicated matter and thankfully I'm mostly 
 back-end developer.

 [...]


 Please move this discussions and ideas to DFeed ;-)

 https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed


 Sorry this may sound weird but I don't have a github account.

 But if you think this could be useful please go ahead. :)

 Matheus.


I created an issue to have your proposal persisted

https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/108

Kind regards
Andre
Apr 09 2019
prev sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa)" <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On 4/8/19 12:42 PM, matheus wrote:

 
 For example let's take this Forum (https://forum.dlang.org):
 
 Like I said above I think this forums has an excess of borders and I'd 
 prefer something like this: https://i.imgur.com/OQCPojN.png than what 
 you have today, but this is a personal taste.


That's actually a really nice improvement, IMO. I do think a lot of 
designers these days go overboard with removing as much as they can (and 
forgetting the "...bot no more" part). But that mockup strikes a very 
nice balance.

If anything, I'd play around with adding a slight emphasis to the column 
headings ("Group", "Last Post", etc), maybe by putting them in bold. As 
they are in the mockup, they tend to disappear to the mind. Took me 
awhile to realize they were even still there, and that was only because 
I was looking for them.

But, that is really nice overall. I'd love to see the forum adopt it. 
(Although I normally use the NNTP interface, so take the opinion for 
whatever it's worth.)
Apr 09 2019
parent reply =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 04/09/2019 08:45 AM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:


 I do think a lot of
 designers these days go overboard with removing as much as they can


I've been setting the keyboard layout of my OS interfaces to Dvorak for 
20 years. Many Windows and Linux environments included...

I simply could not figure out how to do the same thing on a Windows 10 
work laptop. I had to find the answer on the good old internet. It turns 
out, I had to click something on the screen which gave no indication of 
clickability. What a design failure...

Ali
Apr 09 2019
parent "Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa)" <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On 4/9/19 1:27 PM, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 On 04/09/2019 08:45 AM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
 
  > I do think a lot of
  > designers these days go overboard with removing as much as they can
 
 I've been setting the keyboard layout of my OS interfaces to Dvorak for 
 20 years. Many Windows and Linux environments included...
 
 I simply could not figure out how to do the same thing on a Windows 10 
 work laptop. I had to find the answer on the good old internet. It turns 
 out, I had to click something on the screen which gave no indication of 
 clickability. What a design failure...
 


Yup. But I'm a little surprised it still lets you do that at all - the 
big trendy thing in tech these days is removing features. The minimalism 
obsession really has gotten out of hand. But then the tech world never 
really has been any good with moderation and comprehending the fallacy 
of "If a little of X is good, then more must always be better!" It's 
just one silver bullet obsession after another.
Apr 10 2019
prev sibling parent reply aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 06:19:31 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote:

 The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional.

 While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least 
 slightly better.

 It just doesn't look very well done.

 I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like 
 someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the 
 design of the page.


 Perhaps raising money to pay an experienced web designer would 
 be a good topic for a fundraiser later this year.


Given that I don't do compiler stuff, I could take a look at it 
to see how I can contribute, for free.

Where is the code hosted?
Apr 16 2019
parent Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 at 23:12:43 UTC, aberba wrote:

 On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 06:19:31 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote:

 The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional.

 While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least 
 slightly better.

 It just doesn't look very well done.

 I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like 
 someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the 
 design of the page.


 Perhaps raising money to pay an experienced web designer would 
 be a good topic for a fundraiser later this year.


 Given that I don't do compiler stuff, I could take a look at it 
 to see how I can contribute, for free.


Thanks!


 Where is the code hosted?


https://github.com/dlang/dconf.org

You can find D Logos here:

https://github.com/dlang-community/artwork
Apr 16 2019
prev sibling next sibling parent "Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa)" <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On 4/6/19 6:30 PM, bauss wrote:

 
 Just going to respond to this:
 
 "If you haven’t visited the site in a while, you’ll surely notice that 
 it’s been redesigned. The old version was not responsive and was quite 
 annoying to manipulate on small screens."
 
 The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional.
 
 While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least slightly 
 better.
 
 It just doesn't look very well done.
 
 I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like someone who 
 just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the design of the page.
 


Aside from perhaps an overuse of padding on the left navbar, it looks 
good to me. Whaddya want, a bunch of those vaguely-relevant full-screen 
introductory images you have to scroll past just to get to any nuggets 
of actual content there might be?

The vast majority of "responsive" pages I've seen out there are 
absolutely god-awful for both aesthetics and practicality. This design 
is far better than any of them. Bear in mind too, that not playing an 
endless game of follow-the-crowd with design is a far cry from looking 
"terrible" or "unprofessional".

Not saying there isn't room for improvement, but "The design is terrible 
and it really looks unprofessional." makes it seem like you're looking 
at completely different site than I am.
Apr 07 2019
prev sibling next sibling parent JN <666total wp.pl> writes:
On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote:

 Just going to respond to this:

 "If you haven’t visited the site in a while, you’ll surely 
 notice that it’s been redesigned. The old version was not 
 responsive and was quite annoying to manipulate on small 
 screens."

 The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional.


I don't know about design, but on my MacBook on a 21:9 widescreen 
monitor, the font is defaulting to Arial Narrow, giving a very 
squished look and hard to read.
Apr 08 2019
prev sibling parent reply wjoe <fake example.com> writes:
On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote:

 On Friday, 22 March 2019 at 13:58:01 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 The DConf schedule was announced last Sunday. I've just 
 published a write-up about it on the blog for the 
 world-at-large. Please help us out by sharing this post in 
 your social media circles.

 The blog:
 https://dlang.org/blog/2019/03/22/dconf-2019-london-programme/

 Reddit:
 https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/b45bxp/dconf_2019_london_programme/


 Just going to respond to this:

 "If you haven’t visited the site in a while, you’ll surely 
 notice that it’s been redesigned. The old version was not 
 responsive and was quite annoying to manipulate on small 
 screens."

 The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional.

 While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least 
 slightly better.

 It just doesn't look very well done.

 I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like 
 someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the 
 design of the page.


No offense, but http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

I'd just tag a Planet-earth-with-a-green-leaf icon and a speech 
bubble reading "Thank you!"

J/K

But seriously I prefer the '19 version over the '18 one. The '18 
version is super bloated and slow.
Apr 11 2019
parent reply "Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa)" <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On 4/11/19 10:11 AM, wjoe wrote:

 
 No offense, but http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
 


That is the best website EVER. Times a billion. Says exactly the things 
I've been wanting to scream at jet-engine volume straight into the faces 
of every web designer and full-stacker in the world.

"Responsive web" always made me cringe. HTML-freaking-version-ONE was 
responsive. And semantic. It was specifically *designed* to be. But then 
the designers and the know-nothing software managers came, hated that 
stuff, and killed it all with fire. Then when the sausage-finger small 
screens came (not to mention browser diversity and "emerging markets"), 
they shit a brick and started over-re-engineering everything that was 
already there all along (plus some extra garbage nobody needs). Idiots.
Apr 11 2019
parent wjoe <fake example.com> writes:
On Thursday, 11 April 2019 at 16:56:27 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
(Abscissa) wrote:

 On 4/11/19 10:11 AM, wjoe wrote:

 
 No offense, but http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
 


 That is the best website EVER. Times a billion. Says exactly 
 the things I've been wanting to scream at jet-engine volume 
 straight into the faces of every web designer and full-stacker 
 in the world.

 "Responsive web" always made me cringe. 
 HTML-freaking-version-ONE was responsive. And semantic. It was 
 specifically *designed* to be. But then the designers and the 
 know-nothing software managers came, hated that stuff, and 
 killed it all with fire. Then when the sausage-finger small 
 screens came (not to mention browser diversity and "emerging 
 markets"), they shit a brick and started over-re-engineering 
 everything that was already there all along (plus some extra 
 garbage nobody needs). Idiots.


Yeah, that, and it respects a browser's font and size 
configuration :)
Visiting a web-site I often think to myself: Fail! You can still 
manage to read that 7pt font by attaching your eyeballs to the 
screen! If you don't want people to be able to read it, you 
should remove that text altogether! Saves you all the effort, too.

These so called web designers who work soooo hard to find all 
possible ways to stop you from comfortably reading the thing with 
tons of useless java script "coolness" and distracting banners 
and drop downs and otherwise hidden information you need to find 
the spot to tickle to make it appear (is that a secret cry for 
help?) and pictures that stalk you but can't make text flow 
around a picture without using DIV - and then need to nail 
everything else in place with more DIVs. Amusing :)

They can't even make normal hyperlinks work and spend tons of 
effort trying to imitate it with java script. Delicious :)

And their white on black design which makes you see nothing but 
zebras for the rest of the day or so after spending 2 minutes on 
it...love it! :)
Apr 12 2019