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reply bitwise <bitwise.pvt gmail.com> writes:
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/

Usually, only graphs for the top 20 languages are generated on 
the Tiobe Index, but they were able to generate this for me (not 
sure if it expires at some point).

In any case, I was happy to see that D has been on the rise for 
the last few years.

I'm not sure exactly what has contributed to the rise, but what 
I've noticed the most is a huge improvement in compiler stability 
and usability. The website and documentation are also looking 
very good, where they were once hard read and to navigate.

What I would most like to see in the future would be a more 
complete and simplified set of tools for D.

I believe there should be at least one full-featured tool for 
each operating system, which includes syntax highlighting, 
auto-complete, symbol-information on hover, go to declaration, 
and runtime debugging for D. It should also include at least 
basic syntax highlighting for C++, and the ability to build and 
link that C++ code with the D program. I believe this tool should 
be self contained, and installable with a single click. An end 
user of the D programming language should never have to know 
anything about what dependencies are needed or installed for a 
given addon/extension.

I believe such a set of tools is well within reach. Some existing 
tools are already very close to what I've described above.

Anyways, congratulations to everyone that's contributed to the 
trend!
Aug 31 2017
next sibling parent reply SrMordred <patric.dexheimer gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote:

 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/


What happened in 2009?
Aug 31 2017
next sibling parent Max Haughton <maxhaton gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 16:37:35 UTC, SrMordred wrote:

 What happened in 2009?


Probably other languages improving rather than D usage declining. 
2009 is (approximately) the year that javascript began it's rise 
up the index (Node.js was released in 2009).
Aug 31 2017
prev sibling next sibling parent reply bitwise <bitwise.pvt gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 16:37:35 UTC, SrMordred wrote:

 On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote:

 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/


 What happened in 2009?


My first thought was that it was related to the D1 -> D2 
transition, but that wasn't it. Considering that I had to ask for 
the graph to be generated though, I figured that it may have been 
omitted on purpose due to low sample size, i.e. noisy results. I 
wouldn't worry too much about it.
Aug 31 2017
parent Mark <smarksc gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 17:40:16 UTC, bitwise wrote:

 On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 16:37:35 UTC, SrMordred wrote:

 On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote:

 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/


 What happened in 2009?


 My first thought was that it was related to the D1 -> D2 
 transition, but that wasn't it. Considering that I had to ask 
 for the graph to be generated though, I figured that it may 
 have been omitted on purpose due to low sample size, i.e. noisy 
 results. I wouldn't worry too much about it.


Clearly the popularity of D is well correlated with U.S. real 
estate prices. :D
Sep 01 2017
prev sibling next sibling parent Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d-announce writes:
They have changed way how is index compute. They do this many times in
history,  so there is almost zero value in this graph

Dne 31. 8. 2017 6:42 odpoledne napsal u=C5=BEivatel "SrMordred via
Digitalmars-d-announce" <digitalmars-d-announce puremagic.com>:

On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote:


 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/


What happened in 2009?
Aug 31 2017
prev sibling parent reply Maksim Fomin <mxfm protonmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 16:37:35 UTC, SrMordred wrote:

 On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote:

 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/


 What happened in 2009?


My guess is constant random methodology changes. I was tracking 
TIOBE index each month from 2011 till 2016. I remember they 
announced changes in methodology in title page approximately once 
per 3-4 months. For example, changing the base from 100% to sum 
of percentages of all languages(<100%) increased reported % of 
each language. Taking this into account means that changes in 
particular month tells nothing. The trend is, however, positive: 
in 2014-2017 years D stands higher than in 2011-2014 (if you have 
faith in TIOBE averages). I see sometimes positive discussions 
about D at completely unexpected local tech sites.

Although D's position becomes higher in TIOBE, I don't see 
progress in other statistics, for example in github.
Sep 06 2017
parent bitwise <bitwise.pvt gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 at 11:14:00 UTC, Maksim Fomin 
wrote:

 On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 16:37:35 UTC, SrMordred wrote:

 On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote:

 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/


 What happened in 2009?


 My guess is constant random methodology changes. I was tracking 
 TIOBE index each month from 2011 till 2016. I remember they 
 announced changes in methodology in title page approximately 
 once per 3-4 months. For example, changing the base from 100% 
 to sum of percentages of all languages(<100%) increased 
 reported % of each language. Taking this into account means 
 that changes in particular month tells nothing. The trend is, 
 however, positive: in 2014-2017 years D stands higher than in 
 2011-2014 (if you have faith in TIOBE averages). I see 
 sometimes positive discussions about D at completely unexpected 
 local tech sites.


That was my thinking too. A real dip as large as what's shown on 
the graph for 2009 would probably take 3-4 large companies that 
use D randomly shutting down in perfect unison - highly unlikely. 
I think that if the glitch were removed, what would remain would 
be a nice steady upward slope.
Sep 06 2017
prev sibling parent reply Vadim Lopatin <coolreader.org gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 31 August 2017 at 14:57:28 UTC, bitwise wrote:

 What I would most like to see in the future would be a more 
 complete and simplified set of tools for D.

 I believe there should be at least one full-featured tool for 
 each operating system, which includes syntax highlighting, 
 auto-complete, symbol-information on hover, go to declaration, 
 and runtime debugging for D. It should also include at least 
 basic syntax highlighting for C++, and the ability to build and 
 link that C++ code with the D program. I believe this tool 
 should be self contained, and installable with a single click. 
 An end user of the D programming language should never have to 
 know anything about what dependencies are needed or installed 
 for a given addon/extension.

 I believe such a set of tools is well within reach. Some 
 existing tools are already very close to what I've described 
 above.


I believe DlangIDE can become such tool.
Runs on all platforms. Small.


 which includes syntax highlighting, auto-complete, 
 symbol-information on hover, go to declaration,


Supports it using embedded DCD.


 and runtime debugging for D.


Debugging needs a lot of improvements to became usable.

Project is easy to contribute for D developers since written in D.
Sep 01 2017
parent reply dukc <ajieskola gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 1 September 2017 at 10:18:25 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote:

 I believe DlangIDE can become such tool.
 Runs on all platforms. Small.


 which includes syntax highlighting, auto-complete, 
 symbol-information on hover, go to declaration,


 Supports it using embedded DCD.


 and runtime debugging for D.


 Debugging needs a lot of improvements to became usable.

 Project is easy to contribute for D developers since written in 
 D.


Other good canditate is BBasile's CoEdit. It's very much like 
DLangIDE in that it has roughly the same feature set, at least 
according to readme. It is also very actively maintained like 
your project. But it has the disadvantage of being written in 
Pascal.

I agree with that size thing, the whole DUB package is 40MB with 
release build. And without the DUB cache even of that sinks to 
one-third. Under a percent compared to 1.5GB I measured Visual 
Studio to take!
Sep 05 2017
parent reply Dmitry <dmitry indiedev.ru> writes:
On Tuesday, 5 September 2017 at 19:31:07 UTC, dukc wrote:

 Other good canditate is BBasile's CoEdit. It's very much like 
 DLangIDE in that it has roughly the same feature set, at least 
 according to readme. It is also very actively maintained like 
 your project. But it has the disadvantage of being written in 
 Pascal.


Tried Coedit some times. It just doesn't start on my old laptop 
with Linux Mint.
Sep 06 2017
parent reply Basile B. <b2.temp gmx.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 at 09:57:24 UTC, Dmitry wrote:

 Tried Coedit some times. It just doesn't start on my old laptop 
 with Linux Mint.


And now ?
Sep 06 2017
next sibling parent Dmitry <dmitry indiedev.ru> writes:
On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 at 10:45:48 UTC, Basile B. wrote:

 And now ?


I'll check later today.
Sep 06 2017
prev sibling parent Dmitry <dmitry indiedev.ru> writes:
On Wednesday, 6 September 2017 at 10:45:48 UTC, Basile B. wrote:

 And now ?


Just tried. Last version (3 update 4) works well.
Sep 06 2017