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digitalmars.D.announce - Elephant IDE, not for the faint of heart.

reply "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> writes:
This project is getting too big to develop in isolation any more.  It still
has lots that need done but it might be usable.

http://www.thecodebase.com/elephant.html

Some have reported install problems, if it fails to install please report
the bug ( on elephant.html ) and include C:\elog.log in the body / as
attachment.

Thanks,
Charlie
Mar 22 2005
next sibling parent reply "Ben Hinkle" <ben.hinkle gmail.com> writes:
Do you have the sources anywhere as a plain zip file? I don't like running 
installers if I can avoid it.
thanks!
-Ben

"Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message 
news:d1qma7$164g$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 This project is getting too big to develop in isolation any more.  It 
 still
 has lots that need done but it might be usable.

 http://www.thecodebase.com/elephant.html

 Some have reported install problems, if it fails to install please report
 the bug ( on elephant.html ) and include C:\elog.log in the body / as
 attachment.

 Thanks,
 Charlie
Mar 22 2005
parent "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> writes:
It's dependent on a commercial third party lib that you'd have to own to
compile. Im still debating on wether or not to release the source,
installers the only way to go for now, but it un-installs quite nice ;).

Charlie
"Ben Hinkle" <ben.hinkle gmail.com> wrote in message
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 Do you have the sources anywhere as a plain zip file? I don't like running
 installers if I can avoid it.
 thanks!
 -Ben

 "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message
 news:d1qma7$164g$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 This project is getting too big to develop in isolation any more.  It
 still
 has lots that need done but it might be usable.

 http://www.thecodebase.com/elephant.html

 Some have reported install problems, if it fails to install please




report

 the bug ( on elephant.html ) and include C:\elog.log in the body / as
 attachment.

 Thanks,
 Charlie
Mar 22 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent "Joey Peters" <squirrel nidhogg.com> writes:
This is absolutely great.

"Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> schreef in bericht 
news:d1qma7$164g$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 This project is getting too big to develop in isolation any more.  It 
 still
 has lots that need done but it might be usable.

 http://www.thecodebase.com/elephant.html

 Some have reported install problems, if it fails to install please report
 the bug ( on elephant.html ) and include C:\elog.log in the body / as
 attachment.

 Thanks,
 Charlie
Mar 23 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent John Reimer <brk_6502 yahoo.com> writes:
Charlie wrote:

 This project is getting too big to develop in isolation any more.  It still
 has lots that need done but it might be usable.
 
 http://www.thecodebase.com/elephant.html
 
 Some have reported install problems, if it fails to install please report
 the bug ( on elephant.html ) and include C:\elog.log in the body / as
 attachment.
 
 Thanks,
 Charlie
 
 


Very impressive.  Looks like it's shaping up to be a worthy replacement 
of DIDE.

Thanks for doing this, Charlie.

- JJR
Mar 23 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent Tom S <h3r3tic remove.mat.uni.torun.pl> writes:
Wow ! Elephant looks great ! I've been using DIDE since the dawn of 
times, now I'm sure I'll be switching to Elephant soon. Thanks for these 
wonderful tools. I'm sure it's in heavy development, but I've got a few 
'observations' that you may find valuable or not ;) Sorry for repeating 
things that you know very well, dont kill -9 me.

1. It would be nice if Elephant auto-saved when building the project, 
just like DIDE did
2. I guess you're creating a new window with the 'COMPILING.' text on it 
as I press F7. When that window is destroyed, Elephant looses focus; 
that may be quite annoying. The same happens thing applies to the quick 
find and replace window. Ok, you probably know that... /me hides
3. Ctrl+C doesn't work for me, while selecting 'Copy' from the Edit menu 
works as expected.
4. In the 'behavior' tab in Elephant settings I see four checkboxes 
without any descriptions, just above the 'Projects Default Path' edit 
box. Do these mean anything or are they garbage that just needs to be 
collected ? ;)
5. It's not very important, but I'd be glad if I could set the 
background color of the source edit window. For DIDE I had to make a 
separate program that talked to Scintilla thru SendMessage :)

Generally, the IDE feels great, I love the new Source Browser. I believe 
this is gonna be THE IDE for development on Windows

Btw, LOL   Deathtractors :)

Keep up the good work

-- 
Tomasz Stachowiak  /+ a.k.a. h3r3tic +/
Mar 23 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message 
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Cool, cool.  I thought that you had just fallen off the face of the earth 
when you just stopped working on DIDE.  Nice to see that Elephant is a 
reality :)

Something I find to be one of the most important aspects of an IDE is 
customization of its appearance.  One thing I can't stand is white 
backgrounds.  Which I can't seem to change (and which I couldn't change in 
DIDE either, IIRC..).  Call me picky, but I don't think I'd be able to use 
this IDE unless I can make the BG black.  It's not hard.  It's just one of 
the other Scintilla colors.  In fact the code to do it is 
SendMessage(scintila window handle,SCI_STYLESETBACK,STYLE_DEFAULT,color 
value);.  Please.  Pretty please.

It's buggy, as can be expected, but I'll have to congratulate you on all 
that fiddly code completion and folding stuff that I couldn't get my head 
around when I attempted to make an IDE with Scintilla.

Something that I kind of always wanted in an IDE - a way to "quick compile" 
a temporary file.  In case you want to quickly test something out without 
having to make a new project.  Would be great if I could click File > Temp 
File, type in some code, hit F5 and have it compile with the default 
settings.  Then, close that file, and it's deleted or whatever.

Your site is hot by the way.  I'm really liking the minimalistic utilitarian 
design.  ;)
Mar 23 2005
next sibling parent Tom S <h3r3tic remove.mat.uni.torun.pl> writes:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:

 "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message 
 Something I find to be one of the most important aspects of an IDE is 
 customization of its appearance.  One thing I can't stand is white 
 backgrounds.  Which I can't seem to change (and which I couldn't change in 
 DIDE either, IIRC..).  Call me picky, but I don't think I'd be able to use 
 this IDE unless I can make the BG black. 


As for making the BG in DIDE black, check this out:
http://codeinsane.info/code/highlighter/highlighter.exe
(src: http://158.75.59.9/~h3/code/highlighter/highlighter.d)


-- 
Tomasz Stachowiak  /+ a.k.a. h3r3tic +/
Mar 23 2005
prev sibling parent reply "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> writes:
 Something I find to be one of the most important aspects of an IDE is
 customization of its appearance.  One thing I can't stand is white
 backgrounds.  Which I can't seem to change (and which I couldn't change in
 DIDE either, IIRC..).  Call me picky, but I don't think I'd be able to use
 this IDE unless I can make the BG black.  It's not hard.  It's just one of
 the other Scintilla colors.  In fact the code to do it is
 SendMessage(scintila window handle,SCI_STYLESETBACK,STYLE_DEFAULT,color
 value);.  Please.  Pretty please.


Ok updated, its in the Editor Settings -> Keywords dlg.


 Something that I kind of always wanted in an IDE - a way to "quick


compile"

 a temporary file.  In case you want to quickly test something out without
 having to make a new project.  Would be great if I could click File > Temp
 File, type in some code, hit F5 and have it compile with the default
 settings.  Then, close that file, and it's deleted or whatever.


For 0.06 :)

Charlie!


"Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message
 news:d1qma7$164g$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Cool, cool.  I thought that you had just fallen off the face of the earth
 when you just stopped working on DIDE.  Nice to see that Elephant is a
 reality :)

 Something I find to be one of the most important aspects of an IDE is
 customization of its appearance.  One thing I can't stand is white
 backgrounds.  Which I can't seem to change (and which I couldn't change in
 DIDE either, IIRC..).  Call me picky, but I don't think I'd be able to use
 this IDE unless I can make the BG black.  It's not hard.  It's just one of
 the other Scintilla colors.  In fact the code to do it is
 SendMessage(scintila window handle,SCI_STYLESETBACK,STYLE_DEFAULT,color
 value);.  Please.  Pretty please.

 It's buggy, as can be expected, but I'll have to congratulate you on all
 that fiddly code completion and folding stuff that I couldn't get my head
 around when I attempted to make an IDE with Scintilla.

 Something that I kind of always wanted in an IDE - a way to "quick


compile"

 a temporary file.  In case you want to quickly test something out without
 having to make a new project.  Would be great if I could click File > Temp
 File, type in some code, hit F5 and have it compile with the default
 settings.  Then, close that file, and it's deleted or whatever.

 Your site is hot by the way.  I'm really liking the minimalistic


utilitarian

 design.  ;)
Mar 24 2005
parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message 
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 Ok updated, its in the Editor Settings -> Keywords dlg.
 For 0.06 :)


Score!
Mar 24 2005
parent reply "Charlie Patterson" <charliep1 excite.com> writes:
So what is Elephant written in (lang and tools)?  Was that a ton of work or 
some sort of template plus a semi-ton of work?


"Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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 "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message 
 news:d1v9vo$j2f$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Ok updated, its in the Editor Settings -> Keywords dlg.
 For 0.06 :)


 Score!
Mar 25 2005
parent reply "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> writes:
C++ , MFC , CodeJock components & MSVC 6.  It was a ton of work :S , i had
to (re)write most of the components ( GrepFiles, CompilerDriver, Parser ,
SettingsLib, ScintillaD ... and soon to come DStripper, DPrettyPrinter ,SVN
and CVS libs [ hopefully theres some good C++ CVS / SVN stuff ] -- all of
which Id welcome help!  ) so it took a while.  But I have some good
components I can re-use now , most of which Ill make available eventually
( if anyone wants them. ).

I would have written in D but DFL doesnt support MDI yet, and DMD is written
in C++ and Im no good with writing parsers :).

Charlie

"Charlie Patterson" <charliep1 excite.com> wrote in message
news:d21m79$eob$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 So what is Elephant written in (lang and tools)?  Was that a ton of work


or

 some sort of template plus a semi-ton of work?


 "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> wrote in message
 news:d1vpgk$17el$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message
 news:d1v9vo$j2f$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Ok updated, its in the Editor Settings -> Keywords dlg.
 For 0.06 :)


 Score!
Mar 25 2005
next sibling parent reply pragma <pragma_member pathlink.com> writes:
I've been following this thread, and wanted you to know that I am very
interested in Elephant.  I'll give it a shot this weekend.

In article <d21oss$i3f$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Charlie says...

... and soon to come DStripper, DPrettyPrinter ,SVN and CVS libs 


At first, I read this as "DPrettyStripper" and thought "now *there's* an
interesting program!"

::smacks self with a trout::

D needs a good IDE.  It sounds like you're well on your way to making that work.

- EricAnderton at yahoo
Mar 25 2005
parent "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> writes:
 At first, I read this as "DPrettyStripper" and thought "now *there's* an
 interesting program!"


Hehe , the fembots come later ;).


 D needs a good IDE.  It sounds like you're well on your way to making that


work.

Thanks, just uploaded 0.09 btw.

Charlie!


"pragma" <pragma_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:d221os$s4c$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 I've been following this thread, and wanted you to know that I am very
 interested in Elephant.  I'll give it a shot this weekend.

 In article <d21oss$i3f$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Charlie says...

... and soon to come DStripper, DPrettyPrinter ,SVN and CVS libs


 At first, I read this as "DPrettyStripper" and thought "now *there's* an
 interesting program!"

 ::smacks self with a trout::

 D needs a good IDE.  It sounds like you're well on your way to making that


work.

 - EricAnderton at yahoo
Mar 26 2005
prev sibling parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message 
news:d21oss$i3f$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 I would have written in D but DFL doesnt support MDI yet,


Bah.. you're not a real man if you can't handle MDI _manually_.  I actually 
got pretty far with the MDI stuff in my tiny IDE written in D.  Programming 
windows directly is the _only_ way to go.  ;)


 and DMD is written
 in C++ and Im no good with writing parsers :).


Huh?
Mar 31 2005
parent "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> writes:
 Bah.. you're not a real man if you can't handle MDI _manually_.  I


actually

 got pretty far with the MDI stuff in my tiny IDE written in D.


Programming

 windows directly is the _only_ way to go.  ;)


Yowsa, I tried this and its so god-awful i had to give up.


 and DMD is written
 in C++ and Im no good with writing parsers :).


 Huh?


DMD is written in C++, im using it as the parser.


"Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d2i2kh$26l1$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message
 news:d21oss$i3f$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 I would have written in D but DFL doesnt support MDI yet,


 Bah.. you're not a real man if you can't handle MDI _manually_.  I


actually

 got pretty far with the MDI stuff in my tiny IDE written in D.


Programming

 windows directly is the _only_ way to go.  ;)


 and DMD is written
 in C++ and Im no good with writing parsers :).


 Huh?
Mar 31 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent "Dave" <Dave_member pathlink.com> writes:
Nice work!

Thanks,
Dave

"Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message 
news:d1qma7$164g$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 This project is getting too big to develop in isolation any more.  It 
 still
 has lots that need done but it might be usable.

 http://www.thecodebase.com/elephant.html

 Some have reported install problems, if it fails to install please report
 the bug ( on elephant.html ) and include C:\elog.log in the body / as
 attachment.

 Thanks,
 Charlie
Mar 24 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent reply nail <nail_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <d1qma7$164g$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Charlie says...

This project is getting too big to develop in isolation any more.  It still
has lots that need done but it might be usable.

http://www.thecodebase.com/elephant.html

Some have reported install problems, if it fails to install please report
the bug ( on elephant.html ) and include C:\elog.log in the body / as
attachment.

Thanks,
Charlie


Looks good. I've setup it and play for a few minutes. Well this may be best IDE
for D in my eyes if Elephat will has one small but very very important thing for
big projects:
Be able to reflect real files/dirs layout in project (not separate project tree
which can differ) like eclipse and PN2 does. However you can ask: how to
enumerate files to compile? Well I suggest give real-reflect ability just when
compile method is `make` or `external tool`. This is the main thing that stops
me before I can migrate to Elephant.

Another thing that should be is run build tool with different command line
params according to current config (release / debug).

And optionaly it will be very nice if I can to add highlighting for some
language and associate filename pattern with that language.

It was critics but as a whole: great work

Victor Nakoryakov
nail-mail<at>mail<dot>ru
Mar 25 2005
parent reply "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> writes:
 Be able to reflect real files/dirs layout in project (not separate project


tree

 which can differ) like eclipse and PN2 does. However you can ask: how to
 enumerate files to compile?


Intereseting, what are the advantages to this ?


 Another thing that should be is run build tool with different command line
 params according to current config (release / debug).


Like MSVC's 'build profiles' ?


 And optionaly it will be very nice if I can to add highlighting for some
 language and associate filename pattern with that language.


I thought about this, but its alot of work :).  And its not really a general
purpose editor, more just for D.  I still use emacs for everything else.
Might add C support, XML , other languages that D uses though.

Thanks,
Charlie


"nail" <nail_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:d20ps2$2esl$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 In article <d1qma7$164g$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Charlie says...

This project is getting too big to develop in isolation any more.  It




still

has lots that need done but it might be usable.

http://www.thecodebase.com/elephant.html

Some have reported install problems, if it fails to install please report
the bug ( on elephant.html ) and include C:\elog.log in the body / as
attachment.

Thanks,
Charlie


 Looks good. I've setup it and play for a few minutes. Well this may be


best IDE

 for D in my eyes if Elephat will has one small but very very important


thing for

 big projects:
 Be able to reflect real files/dirs layout in project (not separate project


tree

 which can differ) like eclipse and PN2 does. However you can ask: how to
 enumerate files to compile? Well I suggest give real-reflect ability just


when

 compile method is `make` or `external tool`. This is the main thing that


stops

 me before I can migrate to Elephant.

 Another thing that should be is run build tool with different command line
 params according to current config (release / debug).

 And optionaly it will be very nice if I can to add highlighting for some
 language and associate filename pattern with that language.

 It was critics but as a whole: great work

 Victor Nakoryakov
 nail-mail<at>mail<dot>ru
Mar 25 2005
parent reply nail <nail_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <d21khl$d5n$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Charlie says...

 Be able to reflect real files/dirs layout in project (not separate project


tree

 which can differ) like eclipse and PN2 does. However you can ask: how to
 enumerate files to compile?


Intereseting, what are the advantages to this ?


Advantage is that I should not to do same work twice. I use MSVC for a several
years at work which has the same paradigm - separate .sln tree. Practice shows
that .sln project structure is always the same as in real file system. Separate
tree just adds complexity and adds no advantages: very often error is creating
new file in BLA_BLA project dir but physicaly in DEFAULT_NEWFILE_DIR. Plus - one
big big big advantage of real reflection is that I can do some actions on dirs
from within IDE right as from windows-shell, for example commit/update folder
with SVN or CVS.
Separate tree is useful just to know what to compile when built-in building
method is used, but why to restrict users that use make / scons / etc I can't
understand.

Victor Nakoryakov
nail-mail<at>mail<dot>ru
Mar 27 2005
parent reply "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> writes:
It does sound useful, and reasonably easy at first , but does the IDE
_enfore_ these rules ?  For instance if adding a file thats three levels
deep in /src/modules/xml.d to an exisitng project , does the IDE then create
, in the IDE project directory tree, the Src -> Modules directory's ? Does
it require those directories already be added to the project ? Or is it just
when a new project is setup , and the IDE's New Folder option is chosen that
the folder is created on the file system ?

I will download PN2 and try to test.


Thanks,
Charlie




"nail" <nail_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:d26r99$2ndd$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 In article <d21khl$d5n$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Charlie says...

 Be able to reflect real files/dirs layout in project (not separate






project

tree

 which can differ) like eclipse and PN2 does. However you can ask: how






to

 enumerate files to compile?


Intereseting, what are the advantages to this ?


 Advantage is that I should not to do same work twice. I use MSVC for a


several

 years at work which has the same paradigm - separate .sln tree. Practice


shows

 that .sln project structure is always the same as in real file system.


Separate

 tree just adds complexity and adds no advantages: very often error is


creating

 new file in BLA_BLA project dir but physicaly in DEFAULT_NEWFILE_DIR.


Plus - one

 big big big advantage of real reflection is that I can do some actions on


dirs

 from within IDE right as from windows-shell, for example commit/update


folder

 with SVN or CVS.
 Separate tree is useful just to know what to compile when built-in


building

 method is used, but why to restrict users that use make / scons / etc I


can't

 understand.

 Victor Nakoryakov
 nail-mail<at>mail<dot>ru
Mar 28 2005
parent reply nail <nail_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <d29kbo$2l0n$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Charlie says...

It does sound useful, and reasonably easy at first , but does the IDE
_enfore_ these rules ?  For instance if adding a file thats three levels
deep in /src/modules/xml.d to an exisitng project , does the IDE then create
, in the IDE project directory tree, the Src -> Modules directory's ? Does
it require those directories already be added to the project ? Or is it just
when a new project is setup , and the IDE's New Folder option is chosen that
the folder is created on the file system ?

I will download PN2 and try to test.


Thanks,
Charlie


Ehhh... I see you didn't understand my thought completly. summarily, my
suggestion is to be able to forget about project-mirror tree and have some
likeness to Windows Explorer in this window. Plus some mechanism to set filter
for shown files (e.g., show files *.d, hide all .*, hide dirs CVS) will be
necessary. Voila, we have preciese reflection of what we have on file system
without any trash like .svn folders and .txt files. So adding new file or folder
actualy will create that entity in FS and the tree will be rebuilt to show FS
changes.
If I'm correctly understand your doubt, my point of view is if you choose File
-> New and enters /src/modules/xml.d then my/project/dir/src folder will be
created on FS if it does not already exists (I mean that Elephant's project file
will be in my/project/dir) then my/project/dir/src/modules and then
my/project/dir/src/modules/xml.d, all on FS and after that tree is refreshed to
reflect changes.
In this case *each* entity in tree (not just file) is entity in fs and very
simple to make on additional item in context menu, something a-la shell> which
will has a submenu that reflects menu shown to you in Windows Explorer on right
click. So having Tortoise SVN/CVS installed I can use it right within IDE, very
great.

Victor Nakoryakov
nail-mail<at>mail<dot>ru
Mar 28 2005
next sibling parent "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> writes:
 Ehhh... I see you didn't understand my thought completly. summarily, my
 suggestion is to be able to forget about project-mirror tree and have some
 likeness to Windows Explorer in this window.


Ok i see.


 If I'm correctly understand your doubt, my point of view is if you choose


File

 -> New and enters /src/modules/xml.d then my/project/dir/src folder will


be

 created on FS if it does not already exists (I mean that Elephant's


project file

 will be in my/project/dir) then my/project/dir/src/modules and then
 my/project/dir/src/modules/xml.d, all on FS and after that tree is


refreshed to

 reflect changes.



Actually if we're doing away with a seperate project tree ( and just do 100%
reflection ) this solves the problem I was thinking of.


 So having Tortoise SVN/CVS installed I can use it right within IDE, very
 great.


That is great, alleviates the need for built-in SVN/CVS as well.  My only
concern is that initially it will harder for people to learn , coming from
MSVS products , but I will definetly implement, just not sure how yet.

Thanks, good idea.

Charlie

"nail" <nail_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:d29o25$2pdb$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 In article <d29kbo$2l0n$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Charlie says...

It does sound useful, and reasonably easy at first , but does the IDE
_enfore_ these rules ?  For instance if adding a file thats three levels
deep in /src/modules/xml.d to an exisitng project , does the IDE then




create

, in the IDE project directory tree, the Src -> Modules directory's ?




Does

it require those directories already be added to the project ? Or is it




just

when a new project is setup , and the IDE's New Folder option is chosen




that

the folder is created on the file system ?

I will download PN2 and try to test.


Thanks,
Charlie


 Ehhh... I see you didn't understand my thought completly. summarily, my
 suggestion is to be able to forget about project-mirror tree and have some



 likeness to Windows Explorer in this window. Plus some mechanism to set


filter

 for shown files (e.g., show files *.d, hide all .*, hide dirs CVS) will be
 necessary. Voila, we have preciese reflection of what we have on file


system

 without any trash like .svn folders and .txt files. So adding new file or


folder

 actualy will create that entity in FS and the tree will be rebuilt to show


FS

 changes.
 If I'm correctly understand your doubt, my point of view is if you choose


File

 -> New and enters /src/modules/xml.d then my/project/dir/src folder will


be

 created on FS if it does not already exists (I mean that Elephant's


project file

 will be in my/project/dir) then my/project/dir/src/modules and then
 my/project/dir/src/modules/xml.d, all on FS and after that tree is


refreshed to

 reflect changes.
 In this case *each* entity in tree (not just file) is entity in fs and


very

 simple to make on additional item in context menu, something a-la shell>


which

 will has a submenu that reflects menu shown to you in Windows Explorer on


right

 click. So having Tortoise SVN/CVS installed I can use it right within IDE,


very

 great.

 Victor Nakoryakov
 nail-mail<at>mail<dot>ru
Mar 28 2005
prev sibling parent reply James Dunne <jdunne4 bradley.edu> writes:
Charlie,

I gotta say - excellent work so far on Elephant!  I'm really liking it.  I'd
just like to give you some bug feedback, if you weren't aware.

1. Help->About box doesn't close til you hit escape (no close button?)
2. Clicking on the error line in the output(build) pane doesn't relocate the
cursor to the offending file & line, which would be sweet :)
3. Can we have more control over tooltips and code-completion?  At least the
ability to enable/disable them.
4. Clicking on the closing curly-brace of a code block gives a nice tooltip, but
the parsing seems to be off.  Here are examples of this strange behavior:

type determinant() {
}
tooltip: "type determrminant()"

void setCol (int n, Vector!(type,rows) col) {
}
tooltip: "void setCol ( (int n, Vector!(type,rows) col) {"

type opIndex(int r, int c) {
}
tooltip: "type opIndex(x(int r, , int c)"

Do you notice that the replication is at usually around the 12th character?
Very strange indeed...


Also, functions returning template-instances are not parsed correctly (or at
all):

Matrix!(rows,cols,type) transpose() {
}

gives me no tooltip on the closing curly-brace.

Once again, great work so far!  I look forward to using this when it becomes
more stable and solid. :)

Regards,
James Dunne
Mar 28 2005
parent James <James_member pathlink.com> writes:
Also, the tooltip reports a tab-character in the definition as a '\t' -
naturally runs of whitespace like this should be converted to a single space.  I
really love working with string parsing code, so I'm all for helping you in that
area!  I read earlier you don't like parser code ;)

In article <d29sig$2ul9$1 digitaldaemon.com>, James Dunne says...

Charlie,

I gotta say - excellent work so far on Elephant!  I'm really liking it.  I'd
just like to give you some bug feedback, if you weren't aware.

1. Help->About box doesn't close til you hit escape (no close button?)
2. Clicking on the error line in the output(build) pane doesn't relocate the
cursor to the offending file & line, which would be sweet :)
3. Can we have more control over tooltips and code-completion?  At least the
ability to enable/disable them.
4. Clicking on the closing curly-brace of a code block gives a nice tooltip, but
the parsing seems to be off.  Here are examples of this strange behavior:

type determinant() {
}
tooltip: "type determrminant()"

void setCol (int n, Vector!(type,rows) col) {
}
tooltip: "void setCol ( (int n, Vector!(type,rows) col) {"

type opIndex(int r, int c) {
}
tooltip: "type opIndex(x(int r, , int c)"

Do you notice that the replication is at usually around the 12th character?
Very strange indeed...


Also, functions returning template-instances are not parsed correctly (or at
all):

Matrix!(rows,cols,type) transpose() {
}

gives me no tooltip on the closing curly-brace.

Once again, great work so far!  I look forward to using this when it becomes
more stable and solid. :)

Regards,
James Dunne


Regards,
James Dunne
Mar 28 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Andrew Fedoniouk" <news terrainformatica.com> writes:
Cool! :)

Debugger, yeh? And dreams will finally come true.

Did you consider writing this with WTL rather than with MFC ?
As far as I can see there is nothing special there which WTL does not have 
already for free.
Oh, yeh - the menus....  :)

Andrew.


"Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message 
news:d1qma7$164g$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 This project is getting too big to develop in isolation any more.  It 
 still
 has lots that need done but it might be usable.

 http://www.thecodebase.com/elephant.html

 Some have reported install problems, if it fails to install please report
 the bug ( on elephant.html ) and include C:\elog.log in the body / as
 attachment.

 Thanks,
 Charlie
Mar 27 2005
parent "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> writes:
 Did you consider writing this with WTL rather than with MFC ?


Yes , WTL is cool.  PN2  ( http://www.pnotepad.org/ ) is writen in WTL and
works very well.  I only used MFC cause I spent all this time learning it
and now its all but obsolete :(.  I've really grown to dislike how quickly
M$ dismisses technologies ( however poorly written . )

Charlie


"Andrew Fedoniouk" <news terrainformatica.com> wrote in message
news:d275ip$hb$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Cool! :)

 Debugger, yeh? And dreams will finally come true.

 Did you consider writing this with WTL rather than with MFC ?
 As far as I can see there is nothing special there which WTL does not have
 already for free.
 Oh, yeh - the menus....  :)

 Andrew.


 "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> wrote in message
 news:d1qma7$164g$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 This project is getting too big to develop in isolation any more.  It
 still
 has lots that need done but it might be usable.

 http://www.thecodebase.com/elephant.html

 Some have reported install problems, if it fails to install please




report

 the bug ( on elephant.html ) and include C:\elog.log in the body / as
 attachment.

 Thanks,
 Charlie
Mar 28 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Miguel Ferreira Simões" <Kobold netcabo.pt> writes:
Congratulations for your work.
I have always been a great fan of DIDE.

Just a few notes:
    I cannot open a project file when I double-click it.
    It should be possible to apply the DIDE default syntax highlight colors! 
(I prefer them).
    You could talk with Derek and integrate Dbuild with the Elephant (life 
was so much easier).

Miguel
Mar 31 2005
parent X <X_member pathlink.com> writes:
    I cannot open a project file when I double-click it.


Yea I was waiting on adding that untill its 100%, ill go head and add it though
( or figure out how to make it an option in the install ).


    It should be possible to apply the DIDE default syntax highlight colors! 
(I prefer them).


Cool Ill figure those out and make an option for it :).


    You could talk with Derek and integrate Dbuild with the Elephant (life 
was so much easier).


Yea that would've been alot easier :S.  You should be able to specify a build
script ( .bat ) that has build.exe <target> in it and it will run and capture
output.

Charlie

In article <d2h77f$1a5a$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Miguel Ferreira Simões says...

Congratulations for your work.
I have always been a great fan of DIDE.

Just a few notes:
    I cannot open a project file when I double-click it.
    It should be possible to apply the DIDE default syntax highlight colors! 
(I prefer them).
    You could talk with Derek and integrate Dbuild with the Elephant (life 
was so much easier).

Miguel
Apr 01 2005
prev sibling parent reply David L. Davis <SpottedTiger yahoo.com> writes:
In article <d1qma7$164g$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Charlie says...

This project is getting too big to develop in isolation any more.  It still
has lots that need done but it might be usable.

http://www.thecodebase.com/elephant.html

Some have reported install problems, if it fails to install please report
the bug ( on elephant.html ) and include C:\elog.log in the body / as
attachment.

Thanks,
Charlie


Charlie, "Elephant" is looking good so far...thanks for putting in the hard work
to create it! :)

BTW, what happened to your old website "Atari-Soldiers" at
"http://www.atari-soldiers.com/?" I never saw any closing notices, before it
just disappeared from sight. :(

Keep up the good work.

David L.

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Apr 03 2005
parent "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> writes:
 Charlie, "Elephant" is looking good so far...thanks for putting in the


hard work

 to create it! :)


Thanks!  Its a work of love :).


 BTW, what happened to your old website "Atari-Soldiers" at
 "http://www.atari-soldiers.com/?" I never saw any closing notices, before


it

 just disappeared from sight. :(


The site actually ended over a year ago, but they never took it down after
the account closed so it was just sitting there.  I'll get a permemanent
home for elephant soon :).

Charlie!

"David L. Davis" <SpottedTiger yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d2pttj$dps$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 In article <d1qma7$164g$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Charlie says...

This project is getting too big to develop in isolation any more.  It




still

has lots that need done but it might be usable.

http://www.thecodebase.com/elephant.html

Some have reported install problems, if it fails to install please report
the bug ( on elephant.html ) and include C:\elog.log in the body / as
attachment.

Thanks,
Charlie


 Charlie, "Elephant" is looking good so far...thanks for putting in the


hard work

 to create it! :)

 BTW, what happened to your old website "Atari-Soldiers" at
 "http://www.atari-soldiers.com/?" I never saw any closing notices, before


it

 just disappeared from sight. :(

 Keep up the good work.

 David L.

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 "Dare to reach for the Stars...Dare to Dream, Build, and Achieve!"
Apr 03 2005