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reply Intersteller <Galatic.Bacon Outerspace.com> writes:
Vibe.d looks great on the surface but lack of documentation, 
commonly used functionality, and that it looks like it is dying 
suggests that putting any effort in to it will be a waste. Go, 
OTH, has tons of frameworks, most are actively support, very well 
documented(beego, revel, etc), and feature rich.

If I am going to put any work in to something, I want to make 
sure that I can depend on it in the future. It doesn't look like 
this is the case with vibe.d. Hopefully vibe.d will not die and 
will mature enough in the future so it actually provides a good 
alternative to the current web frameworks.
Sep 20 2016
next sibling parent reply cym13 <cpicard openmailbox.org> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:14:41 UTC, Intersteller wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but lack of documentation, 
 commonly used functionality, and that it looks like it is dying 
 suggests that putting any effort in to it will be a waste. Go, 
 OTH, has tons of frameworks, most are actively support, very 
 well documented(beego, revel, etc), and feature rich.

 If I am going to put any work in to something, I want to make 
 sure that I can depend on it in the future. It doesn't look 
 like this is the case with vibe.d. Hopefully vibe.d will not 
 die and will mature enough in the future so it actually 
 provides a good alternative to the current web frameworks.


What exactly makes you think vibe is dying?
Sep 20 2016
next sibling parent eugene <egordeev18 gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:16:04 UTC, cym13 wrote:

 What exactly makes you think vibe is dying?


it lacks the documentation?
Sep 20 2016
prev sibling parent reply jmh530 <john.michael.hall gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:16:04 UTC, cym13 wrote:

 What exactly makes you think vibe is dying?


His first post is from 6 days ago, so I would guess that he 
doesn't seem to have much of a sense of its history.
Sep 20 2016
parent reply cym13 <cpicard openmailbox.org> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:47:01 UTC, jmh530 wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:16:04 UTC, cym13 wrote:

 What exactly makes you think vibe is dying?


 His first post is from 6 days ago, so I would guess that he 
 doesn't seem to have much of a sense of its history.


Which makes him the perfect example of beginner with a 
newcommer's look :)
Sep 20 2016
parent Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
Dne 20.9.2016 v 22:00 cym13 via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):


 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:47:01 UTC, jmh530 wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:16:04 UTC, cym13 wrote:

 What exactly makes you think vibe is dying?


 His first post is from 6 days ago, so I would guess that he doesn't 
 seem to have much of a sense of its history.


 Which makes him the perfect example of beginner with a newcommer's 
 look :)


Or a troll :). But I guess the first one is right
Sep 20 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
Dne 20.9.2016 v 21:14 Intersteller via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):


 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but lack of documentation, commonly 
 used functionality, and that it looks like it is dying suggests that 
 putting any effort in to it will be a waste. Go, OTH, has tons of 
 frameworks, most are actively support, very well documented(beego, 
 revel, etc), and feature rich.

 If I am going to put any work in to something, I want to make sure 
 that I can depend on it in the future. It doesn't look like this is 
 the case with vibe.d. Hopefully vibe.d will not die and will mature 
 enough in the future so it actually provides a good alternative to the 
 current web frameworks.


Ok, can you link some of your request about what missing on vibe.d? It 
is easy to say this framework does not support this. this framework has 
bad doc and so on. But these are statements without any proof. So this 
post does not have any value until you add some specifics. It would be 
nice if you share what exactly do you miss from vibe.d and what doc need 
to be improved. For eg. from my POV vibe.d doc is ok and there is 
everything I need (OK I would prefer better async-event lib, but AFAIK 
Sonke works on a new one)
Sep 20 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply WebFreak001 <janju007 web.de> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:14:41 UTC, Intersteller wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but lack of documentation, 
 commonly used functionality, and that it looks like it is dying 
 suggests that putting any effort in to it will be a waste. Go, 
 OTH, has tons of frameworks, most are actively support, very 
 well documented(beego, revel, etc), and feature rich.


What is vibe.d missing? It works great for me and the 
documentation is great imo too because it has everything I need. 
I use vibe.d at the company I work at and I use it for all my 
websites. I never had any problems with it
Sep 20 2016
parent reply Karabuta <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:47:12 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:14:41 UTC, Intersteller 
 wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but lack of documentation, 
 commonly used functionality, and that it looks like it is 
 dying suggests that putting any effort in to it will be a 
 waste. Go, OTH, has tons of frameworks, most are actively 
 support, very well documented(beego, revel, etc), and feature 
 rich.


 What is vibe.d missing? It works great for me and the 
 documentation is great imo too because it has everything I 
 need. I use vibe.d at the company I work at and I use it for 
 all my websites. I never had any problems with it


Lets me say from a beginners perspective,
* How do I build a file upload form (single and multiple file 
uploads)
* How do I work with mongoDB to do CRUD.
* How do I use the Web API beyond hello world!
* Form validation?
* Data sanitization?
* How do I structure my application for real-world (reusable and 
maintainable code) e.g for a simple blog, simple CMS etc. :)
...

Some of these things may seem easy to figure-out but can be 
difficult for a beginner unless he/she has a copy of Kai's book 
at the moment (D Web Development) :)
Sep 20 2016
next sibling parent reply Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
Dne 20.9.2016 v 22:01 Karabuta via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:47:12 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:14:41 UTC, Intersteller wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but lack of documentation, 
 commonly used functionality, and that it looks like it is dying 
 suggests that putting any effort in to it will be a waste. Go, OTH, 
 has tons of frameworks, most are actively support, very well 
 documented(beego, revel, etc), and feature rich.


 What is vibe.d missing? It works great for me and the documentation 
 is great imo too because it has everything I need. I use vibe.d at 
 the company I work at and I use it for all my websites. I never had 
 any problems with it


 Lets me say from a beginners perspective,
 * How do I build a file upload form (single and multiple file uploads)
 * How do I work with mongoDB to do CRUD.
 * How do I use the Web API beyond hello world!
 * Form validation?
 * Data sanitization?
 * How do I structure my application for real-world (reusable and 
 maintainable code) e.g for a simple blog, simple CMS etc. :)
 ...

 Some of these things may seem easy to figure-out but can be difficult 
 for a beginner unless he/she has a copy of Kai's book at the moment (D 
 Web Development) :)


Nothing of this is specific for vibe.d, so I do not see any reason to 
have doc about this in vibe.d
Sep 20 2016
next sibling parent reply wobbles <grogan.colin gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 20:35:49 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:

 Dne 20.9.2016 v 22:01 Karabuta via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:47:12 UTC, WebFreak001 
 wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:14:41 UTC, Intersteller 
 wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but lack of documentation, 
 commonly used functionality, and that it looks like it is 
 dying suggests that putting any effort in to it will be a 
 waste. Go, OTH, has tons of frameworks, most are actively 
 support, very well documented(beego, revel, etc), and 
 feature rich.


 What is vibe.d missing? It works great for me and the 
 documentation is great imo too because it has everything I 
 need. I use vibe.d at the company I work at and I use it for 
 all my websites. I never had any problems with it


 Lets me say from a beginners perspective,
 * How do I build a file upload form (single and multiple file 
 uploads)
 * How do I work with mongoDB to do CRUD.
 * How do I use the Web API beyond hello world!
 * Form validation?
 * Data sanitization?
 * How do I structure my application for real-world (reusable 
 and maintainable code) e.g for a simple blog, simple CMS etc. 
 :)
 ...

 Some of these things may seem easy to figure-out but can be 
 difficult for a beginner unless he/she has a copy of Kai's 
 book at the moment (D Web Development) :)


 Nothing of this is specific for vibe.d, so I do not see any 
 reason to have doc about this in vibe.d


I would say otherwise. I've built multiple sites in vibe-d, so I 
probably wouldn't need them, but having a vibe-d specific 
beginner tutorial from start to end of a project would be great.

Sonke wrote a good blog post a while back with a chat system, and 
there's a new blogger using vibe too. But we could do with more.
I guess I should take that up maybe. Not sure if I have the time 
though, and I don't  have a whole pile of interest in blogging...
Sep 20 2016
next sibling parent reply Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
Dne 20.9.2016 v 22:59 wobbles via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):


 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 20:35:49 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:

 Dne 20.9.2016 v 22:01 Karabuta via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:47:12 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:14:41 UTC, Intersteller wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but lack of documentation, 
 commonly used functionality, and that it looks like it is dying 
 suggests that putting any effort in to it will be a waste. Go, 
 OTH, has tons of frameworks, most are actively support, very well 
 documented(beego, revel, etc), and feature rich.


 What is vibe.d missing? It works great for me and the documentation 
 is great imo too because it has everything I need. I use vibe.d at 
 the company I work at and I use it for all my websites. I never had 
 any problems with it


 Lets me say from a beginners perspective,
 * How do I build a file upload form (single and multiple file uploads)
 * How do I work with mongoDB to do CRUD.
 * How do I use the Web API beyond hello world!
 * Form validation?
 * Data sanitization?
 * How do I structure my application for real-world (reusable and 
 maintainable code) e.g for a simple blog, simple CMS etc. :)
 ...

 Some of these things may seem easy to figure-out but can be 
 difficult for a beginner unless he/she has a copy of Kai's book at 
 the moment (D Web Development) :)


 Nothing of this is specific for vibe.d, so I do not see any reason to 
 have doc about this in vibe.d


 I would say otherwise. I've built multiple sites in vibe-d, so I 
 probably wouldn't need them, but having a vibe-d specific beginner 
 tutorial from start to end of a project would be great.

 Sonke wrote a good blog post a while back with a chat system, and 
 there's a new blogger using vibe too. But we could do with more.
 I guess I should take that up maybe. Not sure if I have the time 
 though, and I don't  have a whole pile of interest in blogging...


My fault. I was speaking about doc (API), I do not say anything about 
tutorial and so on. Yes I belive having more tutorials and howtos it is 
a good thing.
Sep 20 2016
parent jmh530 <john.michael.hall gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 21:19:49 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:

 My fault. I was speaking about doc (API), I do not say anything 
 about tutorial and so on. Yes I belive having more tutorials 
 and howtos it is a good thing.


I don't think anyone would disagree wrt tutorials and how tos. I 
don't think anyone has mentioned D Web Development, which the OP 
might find a good source.
Sep 20 2016
prev sibling parent reply deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 20:59:18 UTC, wobbles wrote:

 I would say otherwise. I've built multiple sites in vibe-d, so 
 I probably wouldn't need them, but having a vibe-d specific 
 beginner tutorial from start to end of a project would be great.


Tutorial != doc.
Sep 20 2016
parent dewitt <dkdewitt gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 21 September 2016 at 01:15:22 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 20:59:18 UTC, wobbles wrote:

 I would say otherwise. I've built multiple sites in vibe-d, so 
 I probably wouldn't need them, but having a vibe-d specific 
 beginner tutorial from start to end of a project would be 
 great.


 Tutorial != doc.


I agree and if you know web development and have done any 
significant development vibe should not be hard to learn off the 
docs.  If the OP was to say anything about ecosystem then yes Go 
maybe a better option for the OP.  I don't think vibe is bad but 
ecosystem is more lacking for the developer who just wants stuff 
to work and not put in the leg work on fixing bugs/features in 
various pieces of the development of web applications.
Sep 20 2016
prev sibling parent reply WhatMeWorry <kheaser gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 20:35:49 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:

 Dne 20.9.2016 v 22:01 Karabuta via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):

 [...]


 Nothing of this is specific for vibe.d, so I do not see any 
 reason to have doc about this in vibe.d


Could he be asking for little examples of the above bullets?  
Maybe small working examples online?
Sep 20 2016
parent Laeeth Isharc <laeethnospam nospamlaeeth.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 22:17:26 UTC, WhatMeWorry wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 20:35:49 UTC, Daniel Koz
 wrote:

 Dne 20.9.2016 v 22:01 Karabuta via Digitalmars-d napsal(a):

 [...]


 Nothing of this is specific for vibe.d, so I do not see any 
 reason to have doc about this in vibe.d


 Could he be asking for little examples of the above bullets?  
 Maybe small working examples online?


It would help a lot just to pull out the unit tests and add a few 
comments and put them up on web under sample usage...   I 
suggested to Sonke before,  but there's always a lot to do.
Sep 20 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Rey Valeza <karitoy gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 20:01:38 UTC, Karabuta wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:47:12 UTC, WebFreak001 
 wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:14:41 UTC, Intersteller 
 wrote:

 [...]


 What is vibe.d missing? It works great for me and the 
 documentation is great imo too because it has everything I 
 need. I use vibe.d at the company I work at and I use it for 
 all my websites. I never had any problems with it


 Lets me say from a beginners perspective,
 * How do I build a file upload form (single and multiple file 
 uploads)
 * How do I work with mongoDB to do CRUD.
 * How do I use the Web API beyond hello world!
 * Form validation?
 * Data sanitization?
 * How do I structure my application for real-world (reusable 
 and maintainable code) e.g for a simple blog, simple CMS etc. :)
 ...

 Some of these things may seem easy to figure-out but can be 
 difficult for a beginner unless he/she has a copy of Kai's book 
 at the moment (D Web Development) :)


Hi, I know this post is old but I want you to know that I just 
did a tutorial on Vibe.d here:

https://github.com/reyvaleza/vibed/commit/27ec3678f25d1dd414fae1390677397a7bc57721

I would appreciate it if you can give me some feedback. Thanks!
Mar 01 2021
parent Tobias Pankrath <tobias+dlang pankrath.net> writes:
On Monday, 1 March 2021 at 21:54:01 UTC, Rey Valeza wrote:

 Hi, I know this post is old but I want you to know that I just 
 did a tutorial on Vibe.d here:

 https://github.com/reyvaleza/vibed/commit/27ec3678f25d1dd414fae1390677397a7bc57721

 I would appreciate it if you can give me some feedback. Thanks!


The pdf is an empty file.
Mar 01 2021
prev sibling parent reply Rey Valeza <karitoy gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 20:01:38 UTC, Karabuta wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:47:12 UTC, WebFreak001 
 wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:14:41 UTC, Intersteller 
 wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but lack of documentation, 
 commonly used functionality, and that it looks like it is 
 dying suggests that putting any effort in to it will be a 
 waste. Go, OTH, has tons of frameworks, most are actively 
 support, very well documented(beego, revel, etc), and feature 
 rich.


 What is vibe.d missing? It works great for me and the 
 documentation is great imo too because it has everything I 
 need. I use vibe.d at the company I work at and I use it for 
 all my websites. I never had any problems with it


 Lets me say from a beginners perspective,
 * How do I build a file upload form (single and multiple file 
 uploads)
 * How do I work with mongoDB to do CRUD.
 * How do I use the Web API beyond hello world!
 * Form validation?
 * Data sanitization?
 * How do I structure my application for real-world (reusable 
 and maintainable code) e.g for a simple blog, simple CMS etc. :)
 ...

 Some of these things may seem easy to figure-out but can be 
 difficult for a beginner unless he/she has a copy of Kai's book 
 at the moment (D Web Development) :)


Hi Karabuta, I know this post is old, but I just want to contact 
you about my tutorial on Vibe.d on Github.

https://github.com/reyvaleza/vibed/commit/27ec3678f25d1dd414fae1390677397a7bc57721

If you have time, I would appreciate it if you can give me some 
feedback on it.

Thanks!
Mar 01 2021
next sibling parent ryuukk_ <ryuukk_ gmail.com> writes:
 If you have time, I would appreciate it if you can give me some 
 feedback on it.

 Thanks!


PDF is not a very nice format for sharind code tutorials

I think, specially for github, a markdown (.MD) doc would be MUCH 
better, so you can embed code this way:

```D
void main() {
     writeln("hi");
}
```

You can also embbed screenshots and stuff
Mar 01 2021
prev sibling next sibling parent Imperatorn <johan_forsberg_86 hotmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 1 March 2021 at 22:22:39 UTC, Rey Valeza wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 20:01:38 UTC, Karabuta wrote:

 [...]


 Hi Karabuta, I know this post is old, but I just want to 
 contact you about my tutorial on Vibe.d on Github.

 https://github.com/reyvaleza/vibed/commit/27ec3678f25d1dd414fae1390677397a7bc57721

 If you have time, I would appreciate it if you can give me some 
 feedback on it.

 Thanks!


https://github.com/reyvaleza/vibed/blob/main/Build%20Web%20Apps%20in%20Vibe.pdf
Mar 02 2021
prev sibling parent aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 1 March 2021 at 22:22:39 UTC, Rey Valeza wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 20:01:38 UTC, Karabuta wrote:

 On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:47:12 UTC, WebFreak001 
 wrote:

 [...]


 Lets me say from a beginners perspective,
 * How do I build a file upload form (single and multiple file 
 uploads)
 * How do I work with mongoDB to do CRUD.
 * How do I use the Web API beyond hello world!
 * Form validation?
 * Data sanitization?
 * How do I structure my application for real-world (reusable 
 and maintainable code) e.g for a simple blog, simple CMS etc. 
 :)
 ...

 Some of these things may seem easy to figure-out but can be 
 difficult for a beginner unless he/she has a copy of Kai's 
 book at the moment (D Web Development) :)


 Hi Karabuta, I know this post is old, but I just want to 
 contact you about my tutorial on Vibe.d on Github.

 https://github.com/reyvaleza/vibed/commit/27ec3678f25d1dd414fae1390677397a7bc57721

 If you have time, I would appreciate it if you can give me some 
 feedback on it.

 Thanks!


Sure, happy to help. Have downloaded it and will read it later. I 
must say it's interesting to me that you put in the effort to 
document it all.

By the way, you really dug an old nickname. Ha ha.
Mar 03 2021
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On 09/20/2016 03:14 PM, Intersteller wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but  lack of documentation,


http://vibed.org/docs
http://vibed.org/api

There's also two examples right on the homepage. Did you try scrolling?

I'll grant that the stupid "modern" sales-pitch-first, 
content-hidden-in-small-print-below web design style that's so popular 
and now used on vibe's homepage makes those harder to find than they 
should be, but still, these ARE right there on the homepage, and it's 
very complete.


 commonly used functionality,


Not really. Cite examples of such missing functionality?


 and that it looks like it is dying suggests that


You're just making that up, aren't you?
Here: https://github.com/rejectedsoftware/vibe.d/commits/master

Not to be a dick, but you really didn't look *at all*, did you?
Sep 21 2016
next sibling parent Chris Wright <dhasenan gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:56:01 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 Not to be a dick, but you really didn't look *at all*, did you?


You *are* being a dick. Please stop it.

When someone takes the time to post something like this, they are 
reporting the pain they experienced. They might not articulate the 
precise problem that exists, but that general area has a significant pain 
point. Berating them is an inappropriate response.

Vibe has some documentation. Either Intersteller didn't find it after 
what they thought a reasonable amount of searching, or they found it and 
found it lacking.

Features whose documentation you can't find are equivalent to missing 
features.

Vibe is under active development. This apparently isn't advertised well 
enough for Intersteller to be confident in it. The home page has release 
announcements for February and July, which seems appropriate for a small 
project occasionally worked on. In this case, it's a moderately large 
project steadily worked on, with blog posts about as frequent as the 
golang.org blog.
Sep 21 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent Chris <wendlec tcd.ie> writes:
On Wednesday, 21 September 2016 at 13:56:01 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
wrote:

 On 09/20/2016 03:14 PM, Intersteller wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but  lack of documentation,


 http://vibed.org/docs
 http://vibed.org/api

 There's also two examples right on the homepage. Did you try 
 scrolling?

 I'll grant that the stupid "modern" sales-pitch-first, 
 content-hidden-in-small-print-below web design style that's so 
 popular and now used on vibe's homepage makes those harder to 
 find than they should be, but still, these ARE right there on 
 the homepage, and it's very complete.


I agree. When I fist saw the new layout, it took me a few minutes 
to find my way around. "Documentation", one of the most important 
points, is not very prominent and leads you to "First steps" 
instead of the "API Reference" (which again is not very 
prominent). Maybe it would help to separate "API" and "First 
steps" and make points like "Authentication" (and other common 
features) more prominent.


 commonly used functionality,


 Not really. Cite examples of such missing functionality?


 and that it looks like it is dying suggests that


 You're just making that up, aren't you?
 Here: https://github.com/rejectedsoftware/vibe.d/commits/master

 Not to be a dick, but you really didn't look *at all*, did you?


Given that vibe.d's last release was on "Mon, 04 Jul 2016" (~2 
1/2 months ago) I don't know where the OP got that impression 
form either. If you look at Go's release policy you'll see that 
it has had a 6 months release cycle since 1.5[1], with longer 
breaks before that:

go1.7 (released 2016/08/15)
     Minor revisions
go1.6 (released 2016/02/17)
     Minor revisions
go1.5 (released 2015/08/19)
     Minor revisions

[1] https://golang.org/doc/devel/release.html

Wrong claims or assumptions like "vibe.d is dying" have to be 
addressed on this forum, since they might (wrongly) turn off 
potential users.
Sep 21 2016
prev sibling parent reply bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 21 September 2016 at 13:56:01 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
wrote:

 On 09/20/2016 03:14 PM, Intersteller wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but  lack of documentation,


 http://vibed.org/docs
 http://vibed.org/api

 There's also two examples right on the homepage. Did you try 
 scrolling?


To someone like me, who has done little web development, that 
documentation isn't very helpful. I have copies of both D Web 
Development and Learning D (which includes a nice example) and 
*that* got me going. Overall, there are currently better 
alternatives to Vibe.d for someone wanting to learn web 
development.
Sep 21 2016
next sibling parent reply Chris <wendlec tcd.ie> writes:
On Wednesday, 21 September 2016 at 16:13:13 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

 To someone like me, who has done little web development, that 
 documentation isn't very helpful. I have copies of both D Web 
 Development and Learning D (which includes a nice example) and 
 *that* got me going. Overall, there are currently better 
 alternatives to Vibe.d for someone wanting to learn web 
 development.


Well, it depends on what you want / need: server development or D 
+ server development. If it's server development, there are loads 
of options and you don't need to go the lengths of learning D.

In my case, I had loads of stuff written in D and wanted to use 
it as a web service. Thus, vibe.d was the obvious choice. I knew 
almost nothing about server development when I started and found 
out that it's not vibe.d's lack of documentation, but how servers 
work that is the biggest obstacle. Once you know how certain 
things work, it's no longer so hard find out how to do it with 
vibe.d, e.g. when and how to set headers 
"Access-Control-Allow-Origin", "Accept-Ranges". But the reason 
you have to set these headers has nothing to do with vibe.d, but 
with HTTP, Javascript and browsers.
Sep 21 2016
parent reply bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 21 September 2016 at 17:05:41 UTC, Chris wrote:

 found out that it's not vibe.d's lack of documentation, but how 
 servers work that is the biggest obstacle. Once you know how 
 certain things work, it's no longer so hard find out how to do 
 it with vibe.d, e.g. when and how to set headers 
 "Access-Control-Allow-Origin", "Accept-Ranges". But the reason 
 you have to set these headers has nothing to do with vibe.d, 
 but with HTTP, Javascript and browsers.


I agree, but it is easier to learn those things if you're using a 
different language, due to the assumption with vibe.d that you've 
got that background.
Sep 21 2016
parent reply Chris <wendlec tcd.ie> writes:
On Wednesday, 21 September 2016 at 17:22:26 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

 I agree, but it is easier to learn those things if you're using 
 a different language, due to the assumption with vibe.d that 
 you've got that background.


Yeah, I think that's the basic problem with people's expectations 
of vibe.d. What is hard is not vibe.d but to know how to set up a 
web project properly, which is a different kettle of fish. Maybe 
we should make this clear to everyone: vibe.d helps you to set up 
a server/web service, if you are already familiar with or willing 
to learn web stuff.

Nice additions to vibed.org would be:

1. (more) template projects (chat room etc.)
2. a section that addresses common problems (cross origin access 
and whatnot)

The web is a never ending source of grief for developers. Did you 
know that to be able to play sound files more than once in Chrome 
you have to `addField("Accept-Ranges", "bytes")` whenever a sound 
file is requested? Not so with FF. It just never ends, and I 
think sooner or later you will run into problems like that with 
any framework.

tldr; vibe.d helps you to set up web servers, but you have to 
know web related stuff too - or be willing to learn it as you go 
along. It's not straight out of the box.
Sep 21 2016
parent jmh530 <john.michael.hall gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 21 September 2016 at 18:00:14 UTC, Chris wrote:

 tldr; vibe.d helps you to set up web servers, but you have to 
 know web related stuff too - or be willing to learn it as you 
 go along. It's not straight out of the box.


The tutorials page is not the prettiest page in the world.

Among other things, it probably couldn't hurt to have an 
introductory paragraph at the top. It could potentially include a 
line that knowing networking and servers helps in understanding 
vibe (and maybe including links to a few good resources).
Sep 21 2016
prev sibling parent Karabuta <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 21 September 2016 at 16:13:13 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

 On Wednesday, 21 September 2016 at 13:56:01 UTC, Nick 
 Sabalausky wrote:

 On 09/20/2016 03:14 PM, Intersteller wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but  lack of documentation,


 http://vibed.org/docs
 http://vibed.org/api

 There's also two examples right on the homepage. Did you try 
 scrolling?


 To someone like me, who has done little web development, that 
 documentation isn't very helpful. I have copies of both D Web 
 Development and Learning D (which includes a nice example) and 
 *that* got me going. Overall, there are currently better 
 alternatives to Vibe.d for someone wanting to learn web 
 development.


I you have "D Web Development" then that's enough to do almost 
anything with vibe.d in web development.
Sep 21 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic gmail.com> writes:
...I could care less why you are switching to Go...
Sep 21 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent dom <dschoerk gmx.at> writes:
14 months ago i tried to write my first webapp. initially i chose 
vibe.d to be my framework. i got a simple app running quickly, 
but due to my lack of knowledge about webapps in general i got 
stuck at rather fundamental things. like doing authentication 
over oauth, or even have a rough guideline how to structure my 
app.

as a beginner using d and vibe.d is quite hard. nobody takes you 
by the hand and it is that read the fucking manual situation :D 
.. most of us are quite lazy with reading the docs, and want to 
see some working stuff! :) (at least if you are programming on 
fun projects and not for your job)

so as a result for my own project i switched to nodejs. nodejs 
fresh, its new and its in use everywhere .. every problem has 
been tackled with it and stackoverflow solved 90% of my problems. 
i still produced the worst spaghetti code with it because i 
didn't know how to structure a webapp correctly.

to my conclusion .. if you don't know what you are doing switch 
to something popular and you will be much happier. npm install 
icecreammachinewithsprinkles! but if you are good at what you are 
doing and see the benefits that d can give you it is worth 
staying.
Sep 21 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent Brian <zoujiaqing gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:14:41 UTC, Intersteller wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but lack of documentation, 
 commonly used functionality, and that it looks like it is dying 
 suggests that putting any effort in to it will be a waste. Go, 
 OTH, has tons of frameworks, most are actively support, very 
 well documented(beego, revel, etc), and feature rich.

 If I am going to put any work in to something, I want to make 
 sure that I can depend on it in the future. It doesn't look 
 like this is the case with vibe.d. Hopefully vibe.d will not 
 die and will mature enough in the future so it actually 
 provides a good alternative to the current web frameworks.


You can try hunt framework:

git clone https://github.com/putaolabs/hunt-skeleton.git myproject
cd myproject
dub run

Open the URL with the browser:

http://localhost:8080/

OK, you seccessed.

You can edit config/application.conf to change http port.
You can edit config/routes to setting your router options, like:

GET    /    index.index
POST   /    index.hello

You can add yourself Controller to source app/controller 
directory.

You can like use java's play framework / php's laravel / ruby's 
rails / python's django framework to use dlang's hunt framework ( 
https://github.com/putaolabs/hunt/ ).

We are not perfect, but we will continue to update, together to 
create a perfect D programming language framework.
Sep 22 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent QAston <qaston gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:14:41 UTC, Intersteller wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but lack of documentation, 
 commonly used functionality, and that it looks like it is dying 
 suggests that putting any effort in to it will be a waste. Go, 
 OTH, has tons of frameworks, most are actively support, very 
 well documented(beego, revel, etc), and feature rich.

 If I am going to put any work in to something, I want to make 
 sure that I can depend on it in the future. It doesn't look 
 like this is the case with vibe.d. Hopefully vibe.d will not 
 die and will mature enough in the future so it actually 
 provides a good alternative to the current web frameworks.


lol, no generics
Sep 22 2016
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On 9/20/16 3:14 PM, Intersteller wrote:

TL;DR: I like and have used Go extensively. I glanced at D for 20 
minutes and didn't like it.

-Steve
Sep 22 2016
parent reply Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On 09/22/2016 07:43 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On 9/20/16 3:14 PM, Intersteller wrote:

 TL;DR: I like and have used Go extensively. I glanced at D for 20
 minutes and didn't like it.


Grumpy old curmudgeon says: "Harumpf...Why back in my day, we pronounced 
'TL;DR' as 'summary'...or 'abstract' if we wanted to be really really 
fancy" ;)

Never much understood "bouncing rubble" English changes like that, or 
"internet"->"cloud", "preteen"->"tween", etc. Can't tell if the trend is 
accelerating or it's just me getting old.
Sep 22 2016
parent reply Chris <wendlec tcd.ie> writes:
On Thursday, 22 September 2016 at 15:22:57 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
wrote:

 On 09/22/2016 07:43 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On 9/20/16 3:14 PM, Intersteller wrote:

 TL;DR: I like and have used Go extensively. I glanced at D for 
 20
 minutes and didn't like it.


 Grumpy old curmudgeon says: "Harumpf...Why back in my day, we 
 pronounced 'TL;DR' as 'summary'...or 'abstract' if we wanted to 
 be really really fancy" ;)

 Never much understood "bouncing rubble" English changes like 
 that, or "internet"->"cloud", "preteen"->"tween", etc. Can't 
 tell if the trend is accelerating or it's just me getting old.


Around every two years they come up with something new, give or 
take a year depending on the topic. In general, I got the 
impression that once I've finally got used to using a certain 
term, it's no longer (politically or otherwise) correct, e.g. 
"STD" => "STI" ("disease" is obviously a bad bad word - unless 
you want to sell useless drugs for made-up diseases). It happens 
all the time.
Sep 22 2016
parent reply Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On 09/22/2016 11:41 AM, Chris wrote:

 Around every two years they come up with something new, give or take a
 year depending on the topic. In general, I got the impression that once
 I've finally got used to using a certain term, it's no longer
 (politically or otherwise) correct, e.g. "STD" => "STI" ("disease" is
 obviously a bad bad word - unless you want to sell useless drugs for
 made-up diseases). It happens all the time.


They've now renamed Syphilis, et al. after Subaru's highest-end Impreza? 
*shakes head*. Who wants to bet *that* little bit of PC rubble-bouncing 
was spearheaded by someone with a vested interest in the Viper or 
Corvette or something?

Fine, ok, so who wants to put together the PR to update Phobos's package 
name accordingly? Any takers?
Sep 22 2016
parent Chris <wendlec tcd.ie> writes:
On Friday, 23 September 2016 at 01:52:51 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
wrote:

 They've now renamed Syphilis, et al. after Subaru's highest-end 
 Impreza? *shakes head*. Who wants to bet *that* little bit of 
 PC rubble-bouncing was spearheaded by someone with a vested 
 interest in the Viper or Corvette or something?

 Fine, ok, so who wants to put together the PR to update 
 Phobos's package name accordingly? Any takers?


I wonder will programmers be called `digitally oriented persons` 
one day? And `laptop` sounds too patriarchic for my liking. Let's 
rename it. How about `mobtop` (mobile desktop)?
Sep 23 2016
prev sibling parent Rey Valeza <karitoy gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2016 at 19:14:41 UTC, Intersteller wrote:

 Vibe.d looks great on the surface but lack of documentation, 
 commonly used functionality, and that it looks like it is dying 
 suggests that putting any effort in to it will be a waste. Go, 
 OTH, has tons of frameworks, most are actively support, very 
 well documented(beego, revel, etc), and feature rich.

 If I am going to put any work in to something, I want to make 
 sure that I can depend on it in the future. It doesn't look 
 like this is the case with vibe.d. Hopefully vibe.d will not 
 die and will mature enough in the future so it actually 
 provides a good alternative to the current web frameworks.


Hi, I know this post is old but I want you to know that I just 
did a tutorial on Vibe.d here:

https://github.com/reyvaleza/vibed/commit/27ec3678f25d1dd414fae1390677397a7bc57721

I would appreciate it if you can give me some feedback. Thanks!
Mar 01 2021