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reply Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D 
website..?


If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, 
I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really.
Aug 02 2017
next sibling parent Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:

 Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D 
 website..?


 If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, 
 I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really.


Sorry that was a weird typo. I meant, I'd like to give a try at 
improving it myself.
Aug 02 2017
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Moritz Maxeiner <moritz ucworks.org> writes:
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:

 Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D 
 website..?


 If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, 
 I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really.


AFAIK the website is maintained via git here [1].
If you want to improve something, you can create a PR / open an 
issue there.

[1] https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org
Aug 02 2017
parent reply Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:26:31 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner wrote:

 On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic 
 wrote:

 Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D 
 website..?


 If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just 
 ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really.


 AFAIK the website is maintained via git here [1].
 If you want to improve something, you can create a PR / open an 
 issue there.

 [1] https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org


Oh, I get that much. But I was wondering if there was a webmaster 
who approve disapproved changes to the site.


Anyway, I'll come up with something new soon and share it with 
W&A, I really think the website could use a better presentation.
Aug 02 2017
next sibling parent Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:48:41 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:

 On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:26:31 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner 
 wrote:

 On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic 
 wrote:

 Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D 
 website..?


 If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just 
 ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really.


 AFAIK the website is maintained via git here [1].
 If you want to improve something, you can create a PR / open 
 an issue there.

 [1] https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org


 Oh, I get that much. But I was wondering if there was a 
 webmaster who approve disapproved changes to the site.


Sorry, bad typos here. I meant a webmaster who approved /or/ 
disapproved changes to the website.
Aug 02 2017
prev sibling parent Moritz Maxeiner <moritz ucworks.org> writes:
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:48:41 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:

 On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:26:31 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner 
 wrote:

 On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic 
 wrote:

 Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D 
 website..?


 If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just 
 ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really.


 AFAIK the website is maintained via git here [1].
 If you want to improve something, you can create a PR / open 
 an issue there.

 [1] https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org


 Oh, I get that much. But I was wondering if there was a 
 webmaster who approve disapproved changes to the site.


I don't think so, technically anyone with write access can toggle 
auto merge (IIRC), but if the changes are non-trivial there's 
likely going to be a discussion on the PR first
Aug 02 2017
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 08/02/2017 08:18 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:

 Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..?
 
 
 If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd like 
 to give a host at improving it myself, really.


The primary contact for the website is Vladimir. -- Andrei
Aug 03 2017
prev sibling next sibling parent reply 12345swordy <alexanderheistermann gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:

 Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D 
 website..?


 If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, 
 I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really.


Can we gain the ability to edit our own post? I typically make 
some grammar/spelling mistacks here and there and it would be 
nice for me to fix this.
Aug 03 2017
next sibling parent reply Johnson Jones <JJ Dynomite.com> writes:
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 23:28:36 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:

 On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic 
 wrote:

 Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D 
 website..?


 If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just 
 ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really.


 Can we gain the ability to edit our own post? I typically make 
 some grammar/spelling mistacks here and there and it would be 
 nice for me to fix this.


No, sorry. The lead team uses nttp which is old school forum 
technology. They won't move in to the present and instead insist 
everyone else stay in the past with them. It's sort of like those 
guys that drive 1970's camaro's because they think it makes them 
look cool. I'm sure it's a psychological condition but not much 
can be done about it.
Aug 03 2017
next sibling parent reply Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On 8/3/17 8:13 PM, Johnson Jones wrote:

 On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 23:28:36 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:

 On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:

 Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..?


 If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd 
 like to give a host at improving it myself, really.


 Can we gain the ability to edit our own post? I typically make some 
 grammar/spelling mistacks here and there and it would be nice for me 
 to fix this.




Haha, did you make this mistack on purpose?


 
 No, sorry. The lead team uses nttp which is old school forum technology. 
 They won't move in to the present and instead insist everyone else stay 
 in the past with them. It's sort of like those guys that drive 1970's 
 camaro's because they think it makes them look cool. I'm sure it's a 
 psychological condition but not much can be done about it.


You can take my NNTP support from my cold dead hands. Why should I have 
to give this up?

Some old codgers even use crusty old mailing lists I've heard.

Note, NNTP supports deleting your posts, I've done it before (on this 
site). It would be nice if the forum software detected that as well 
(maybe it does?).

-Steve
Aug 03 2017
parent bitwise <bitwise.pvt gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 00:47:30 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer 
wrote:
[...]

 Note, NNTP supports deleting your posts, I've done it before 
 (on this site). It would be nice if the forum software detected 
 that as well (maybe it does?).

 -Steve


What might also be nice is a forum section that mirrors questions 
tagged with "d" or "dlang" on stackoverflow.

https://isocpp.org/ has something like this on their page under 
("Selected Recent C++ Questions"). The title seems to suggest 
human intervention, but I imagine such a thing could be automated.
Aug 04 2017
prev sibling parent reply captaindet <2krnk gmx.net> writes:
On 2017-08-04 12:13, Johnson Jones wrote:

 No, sorry. The lead team uses nttp which is old school forum technology.
 They won't move in to the present and instead insist everyone else stay
 in the past with them. It's sort of like those guys that drive 1970's
 camaro's because they think it makes them look cool. I'm sure it's a
 psychological condition but not much can be done about it.


hold your horses!

quite a number of users incl myself prefer nttp. nice as the forum web 
interface is, following a newsgroup with a newsgroup reader like eg the 
thunderbird built-in is way more comfortable, you should try it one day. 
eg: you don't have to sign in, can reply immediately, you can customize 
display/behaviour more thoroughly to your liking, and more.

/det
Aug 03 2017
parent reply Johnson Jones <JJ Dynomite.com> writes:
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 00:52:34 UTC, captaindet wrote:

 On 2017-08-04 12:13, Johnson Jones wrote:

 No, sorry. The lead team uses nttp which is old school forum 
 technology.
 They won't move in to the present and instead insist everyone 
 else stay
 in the past with them. It's sort of like those guys that drive 
 1970's
 camaro's because they think it makes them look cool. I'm sure 
 it's a
 psychological condition but not much can be done about it.


 hold your horses!

 quite a number of users incl myself prefer nttp. nice as the 
 forum web interface is, following a newsgroup with a newsgroup 
 reader like eg the thunderbird built-in is way more 
 comfortable, you should try it one day. eg: you don't have to 
 sign in, can reply immediately, you can customize 
 display/behaviour more thoroughly to your liking, and more.

 /det


It's not! I've used nntp and it crap. You cannot edit your posts, 
simple as that! You can claim all you want that your method is 
better but it doesn't make it so.  Just based on human nature and 
the fact that you are saying with an ancient archaic system 
suggests it's all based in fear of change. The sad part about 
this is that it forces everyone else to stay in the same broken 
system.

How about this: Dlang.org keeps the old interface like nntp and 
adds a new one. Anyone that wants to continue to use the old one 
can and those that one to use the new one can. In a year we can 
see which one is the most popular and let everyone decide rather 
than a few old crusty goats.

Of course, it won't happen because those in power know the 
outcome. You can see how nntp is dead. There are few nntp servers 
and most of the groups are dead and only those that used in in 
the past still use it. There is not a migration towards nntp but 
away, and that is fact... which suggests that it is not as good 
as its opposition. Hence, if I'm right, and I almost surely 
am(surely you are not going to argue that nntp is becoming more 
popular, are you?) then those that think that nntp is a great 
thing and better than the alternatives have psychological issues 
with change.

You can make a forum that behaves similarly(no login), 
customizable, or whatever else you are saying that you like about 
nntp.

In fact, someone could write a nntp like interface for the forum 
in D just so to please you guys.

I personally have nothing against nntp... while it isn't great it 
does the job EXCEPT editing. I know people claim that editing 
posts causes problems but that is rarely the case and the 
benefits far out weight any negatives.

The reasons not to move forward are the same reasons that plague 
humans in many other areas and it is all 
psychological/evolutionary reasons rather than based on logic and 
facts. Familiarity is a prime factor. Many humans, specially 
older ones, fear change because it is unfamiliar and unknown. 
Those factors are the same that are at play here and it is 
unfortunate because I imagine there would be a lot more younger 
users that have the motivation to help D gain traction that do 
not participate because they feel like it is a step backwards 
rather than forwards.


One day all the old fogies will die and nntp will be gone.. and 
some young kid interested in D will start a modern D forum and 
maybe D will get back on track.

Think of it this way: D claims to be this sort of futuristic 
compiler(it can do thinks "light years" ahead of most other 
compilers...) yet it uses communications methods that are 50 
years old. That's a bit contradictory. It's like a young pretty 
woman who dresses like a skank and wears so much make up that it 
makes her look 20 years older than what she is. While she might 
think she looks good, the people that actually look at her think 
otherwise. This is sorta what happens with D. It's amazing in 
some ways but has so much baggage in so many areas that many 
people are not going to waste their time. The D community can be 
delusional all they want, but it just works against them instead 
of allowing D to really shine.
Aug 03 2017
parent reply captaindet <2krnk gmx.net> writes:
i see you didn't hold your horses... not sure if i should reply again to 
such an angry rant. i will stay calm and focused though.



 It's not! I've used nntp and it crap. You cannot edit your posts, simple
 as that!


so i give you that. unfortunately, your long rant offers no other 
argument. however, the editing part is not a biggy. don't be ashamed of 
the little typo. everything else: i see this NG as some sort of public 
conversation. be nice, and if you got something wrong then heck, that's 
life, ppl are wrong all the time. own it - or are you that insecure? 
however, if you travel back in time and edit your post, you potentially 
break the rest of the conversation and ppl reading the thread later will 
not understand what the other participants responded to your post.



 Of course, it won't happen because those in power know the outcome. You
 can see how nntp is dead. There are few nntp servers and most of the
 groups are dead and only those that used in in the past still use it.
 There is not a migration towards nntp but away, and that is fact...


nobody would deny this. but change is not necessarily always for the 
better. i do understand why email clients, news readers and nntp are 
less popular these days, it is because of the smart phone generation of 
users. and this is ok for many topics. but when i am programming - and 
catching up with the NG, i do sit at a desktop computer and not using 
the power of a standalone email client or news reader, fast and 
configured exactly to my liking, seems rather stupid.



 which suggests that it is not as good as its opposition. Hence, if I'm
 right, and I almost surely am(surely you are not going to argue that
 nntp is becoming more popular, are you?) then those that think that nntp
 is a great thing and better than the alternatives have psychological
 issues with change.


this NG also serves as a compendium for the D language. many posts and 
threads are valuable years after they have been made. as i pointed out 
above, the ability to arbitrarily edit your old posts and potentially 
render threads unintelligible is not convincing to me. again: what other 
"advantage" is there, what features are you missing (from the web 
interface)? everything but editing can potentially be added to the 
current web interface. just file a feature request.



 You can make a forum that behaves similarly(no login), customizable, or
 whatever else you are saying that you like about nntp.


well, you cannot for me. as i generally don't allow (permanent) cookies 
(only the occasional session cookie), i would have to login every time. 
also, i have not seen a web forum yet where i can manoeuvre from post to 
post or topic to topic as fast as with a standalone reader that locally 
caches posts and threads. the only time i ever use the web interface is 
when i am searching/investigating an issue beyond the message cache of 
my reader.



 I personally have nothing against nntp... while it isn't great it does
 the job EXCEPT editing. I know people claim that editing posts causes
 problems but that is rarely the case and the benefits far out weight any
 negatives.


always funny when rhetoric fails so badly - your post made it quite 
clear that you, personally, are extremely opposed to nntp. that is ok 
though, we don't have to have the same opinion. but please, remind me, 
what are all the many great benefits of editing posts? i gave you one 
big argument against.



 The reasons not to move forward are the same reasons [...]


your exaggerations are quite amusing to read. as i have to believe that 
you are serious here, i gracefully refrain from commenting.

/det

--
"just take it easy man." [the dude]
Aug 03 2017
next sibling parent Johnson Jones <JJ Dynomite.com> writes:
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 06:08:04 UTC, captaindet wrote:

 i see you didn't hold your horses... not sure if i should reply 
 again to such an angry rant. i will stay calm and focused 
 though.


How pathetic, you are not worth my time. Seeing how you equate 
accuracy with typos and insecurity shows just how ignorant you 
are. Go bait someone else. Sorry that your life is so pathetic... 
but I'm sure it's your own fault.
Aug 04 2017
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 06:08:04 UTC, captaindet wrote:

 i see you didn't hold your horses... not sure if i should reply 
 again to such an angry rant. i will stay calm and focused 
 though.


This guy has a history of insulting nearly everyone who responds 
to him, even those who help him, as he has just shown again in 
his last response to you. You can find more of his posts under 
the handles Mike B. Johnson and FoxyBrown. My advice to you is, 
if you'd like to help him, that's fine, but don't expect any sort 
of reasoned debate from him. Long posts in response to anything 
he says are a waste of your time. He just doesn't respond well to 
reason.
Aug 04 2017
parent reply Johnson Jones <JJ Dynomite.com> writes:
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 09:13:33 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 06:08:04 UTC, captaindet wrote:

 i see you didn't hold your horses... not sure if i should 
 reply again to such an angry rant. i will stay calm and 
 focused though.


 This guy has a history of insulting nearly everyone who 
 responds to him, even those who help him, as he has just shown 
 again in his last response to you. You can find more of his 
 posts under the handles Mike B. Johnson and FoxyBrown. My 
 advice to you is, if you'd like to help him, that's fine, but 
 don't expect any sort of reasoned debate from him. Long posts 
 in response to anything he says are a waste of your time. He 
 just doesn't respond well to reason.


Way to go Mr. Professional.  You have a long way to go to grow 
up. You think your you can veil your attitude but it's clear you 
are not a professional. A real professional would simply ignore 
the situation...

And if you note, I only have a problems with a few people here. 
Mainly you and a one or two others... people that think they can 
write the shittiest software and how it effects others is of no 
importance. Instead of giving 100%, it's ok to give 25% and reap 
the benefits while others suffer the consequences. That attitude 
is BS and as long as you have it I will offend the fuck out of 
you all I want. If you don't like it simply ignore me, ban me(if 
you can), or do whatever you want. Until you grow up and stop 
acting like you are god I won't.

You wanna preach but you don't wanna be preached to. I can take 
your BS but you can't take mine. It's a two way street... and 
until you can captain retard get that I won't play nice.

There are plenty of people on here I respect. I'll give the top 
two: Adam Ruppe and H S Teoh. I've not seen any unprofessional 
nor condescending behavior from these guys. They don't pretend to 
know it all and don't preach their BS to others. They help the 
best they can and that is all they do... altruistic people. The 
kinda of human behavior that the world needs, not the kind that 
is destroying humanity(Which, you might not be at the bottom of 
the barrel, but your attitude is the same type that politicians, 
lawyers, and others have).

I'm sorry if you can't grow up and act like those guys... maybe 
you should take notes from them and see how they act. Maybe you 
will stop being such an ass when you don't realize it because you 
think your such an intelligent person, authority, or simply too 
much ego... whatever it is, I'll make a point of pissing you off 
every time I get until you stop behaving that way.

Your actions have consequences. The code you write has 
consequences. The "help" you give has consequences. When you stop 
dictating to other people how you *think* things should be and 
realize that it is just your opinion then we will get a long much 
better.

Until then, later asshole.
Aug 04 2017
parent Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On 8/4/17 6:39 AM, Johnson Jones wrote:

 On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 09:13:33 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 06:08:04 UTC, captaindet wrote:

 i see you didn't hold your horses... not sure if i should reply again 
 to such an angry rant. i will stay calm and focused though.


 This guy has a history of insulting nearly everyone who responds to 
 him, even those who help him, as he has just shown again in his last 
 response to you. You can find more of his posts under the handles Mike 
 B. Johnson and FoxyBrown. My advice to you is, if you'd like to help 
 him, that's fine, but don't expect any sort of reasoned debate from 
 him. Long posts in response to anything he says are a waste of your 
 time. He just doesn't respond well to reason.


 
 Way to go Mr. Professional.  You have a long way to go to grow up. You 
 think your you can veil your attitude but it's clear you are not a 
 professional. A real professional would simply ignore the situation...


Calm down, dude. Walk it off and come back when you are feeling more 
chipper. This is a place for fruitful discussion, not insults.

-Steve
Aug 04 2017
prev sibling parent 12345swordy <alexanderheistermann gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 06:08:04 UTC, captaindet wrote:

 i see you didn't hold your horses... not sure if i should reply 
 again to such an angry rant. i will stay calm and focused 
 though.



 [...]


 so i give you that. unfortunately, your long rant offers no 
 other argument. however, the editing part is not a biggy. don't 
 be ashamed of the little typo. everything else: i see this NG 
 as some sort of public conversation. be nice, and if you got 
 something wrong then heck, that's life, ppl are wrong all the 
 time. own it - or are you that insecure? however, if you travel 
 back in time and edit your post, you potentially break the rest 
 of the conversation and ppl reading the thread later will not 
 understand what the other participants responded to your post.


That why we have edit history.

Alex
Aug 04 2017
prev sibling parent Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 23:28:36 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:

 Can we gain the ability to edit our own post? I typically make 
 some grammar/spelling mistacks here and there and it would be 
 nice for me to fix this.


Yes, I would like to add an optional edit window before forum 
posts are sent off to NNTP/email in the next forum update.
Aug 04 2017
prev sibling parent Ecstatic Coder <ecstatic.coder gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:

 Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D 
 website..?


 If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, 
 I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really.


Have a look at "python.org". 2nd language in PYPL, 5th at TIOBE...

Maybe there are some good things on this website that could be 
transposed to "dlang.org", like :
- "easy to learn"
- "easy to use"
- simple examples
- etc...
Aug 05 2017