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reply "weaselcat" <weaselcat gmail.com> writes:
Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the popularity 
amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot your favorite 
$editor.

http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

thanks : )
Apr 07 2015
next sibling parent "H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d" <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:58:42PM +0000, weaselcat via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the popularity
 amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot your favorite
 $editor.
 
 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0
 
 thanks : )


I voted for vim, though I would love to have voted for:

	Unix is my IDE. -- Justin Whear

;-)


T

-- 
What do you mean the Internet isn't filled with subliminal messages? What about
all those buttons marked "submit"??
Apr 07 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "Israel" <tl12000 live.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


Atom + quantum shell plugin...
Apr 07 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Idan Arye" <GenericNPC gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


Vim. The only problem is that the D plugin doesn't get anywhere 
because the maintainer is such a lazy bastard...
Apr 07 2015
parent Shachar Shemesh <shachar weka.io> writes:
On 08/04/15 02:58, Idan Arye wrote:

 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the popularity
 amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 Vim. The only problem is that the D plugin doesn't get anywhere because
 the maintainer is such a lazy bastard...


Actually, I used to sit in the same room as him. Was very useful when 
something went wrong. Now I have to travel all the way to the other end 
of the office, though.

Yes, I use vim too.

Shachar
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Dicebot" <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


Can't select multiple options. Voted vim but commonly use Mono-D 
for investigating unknown code base.
Apr 07 2015
parent reply "weaselcat" <weaselcat gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 00:10:57 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 Can't select multiple options. Voted vim but commonly use 
 Mono-D for investigating unknown code base.


I would probably use mono-D if the monodevelop vim plugin wasn't 
awful.
Apr 07 2015
parent "wobbles" <grogan.colin gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 00:14:54 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 00:10:57 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 Can't select multiple options. Voted vim but commonly use 
 Mono-D for investigating unknown code base.


 I would probably use mono-D if the monodevelop vim plugin 
 wasn't awful.


monodevelop plugin is awful?

Do tell why!
I find it excellent!
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "Dennis Ritchie" <dennis.ritchie mail.ru> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


I'm using Visual D, Xamarin Studio (Mono-D), sometimes use Vim.
Apr 07 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2015-04-08 00:58, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the popularity
 amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0


TextMate 2.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "Szymon Gatner" <noemail gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


voted for VisualD
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "John Colvin" <john.loughran.colvin gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


Vim.

I would happily use a full IDE, but only if the fundamental 
text-editing was vim and customisable.
Apr 08 2015
parent "JN" <666total wp.pl> writes:
Eclipse DDT and Code::Blocks for me.
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "Martin Nowak" <code dawg.eu> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0


Emacs
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Jens Bauer" <doctor who.no> writes:
I voted for nano+uCode (my own IDE, which is still pre-alpha).

uCode is designed for microcontroller and SPLD/CPLD use.
nano, because it's the only editor on a Mac, I can be sure of 
handling Unicode well.
(TextEdit messes up unicode files, Xcode 2.5 seems to work with 
Unicode, but Xcode 3.x messes it up).
I do use Xcode 2.5 frequently, but D is not integrated.
Apr 08 2015
next sibling parent reply "Dmitri Makarov" <dmakarv gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 10:29:44 UTC, Jens Bauer wrote:

 nano, because it's the only editor on a Mac, I can be sure of 
 handling Unicode well.


Emacs provides complete Unicode support.
Apr 08 2015
parent "Jens Bauer" <doctor who.no> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 10:43:43 UTC, Dmitri Makarov wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 10:29:44 UTC, Jens Bauer wrote:

 nano, because it's the only editor on a Mac, I can be sure of 
 handling Unicode well.


 Emacs provides complete Unicode support.


True - and I do like Emacs, but I need my editor to be simpler. :)
Nano might not be so advanced, but it does the basic editing 
quite well.
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2015-04-08 12:29, Jens Bauer wrote:

 I voted for nano+uCode (my own IDE, which is still pre-alpha).

 uCode is designed for microcontroller and SPLD/CPLD use.
 nano, because it's the only editor on a Mac, I can be sure of handling
 Unicode well.
 (TextEdit messes up unicode files, Xcode 2.5 seems to work with Unicode,
 but Xcode 3.x messes it up).
 I do use Xcode 2.5 frequently, but D is not integrated.


Xcode 2.5?? You're a bit behind.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Apr 08 2015
parent reply "Jens Bauer" <doctor who.no> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 13:20:18 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 Xcode 2.5?? You're a bit behind.


Xcode 2.5 is the best Xcode. There's only one IDE from Apple 
which is better: Project Builder!
The rest of them are too broken for me. Xcode 3.x keeps spamming 
my console.

Even if I could run Xcode 7254.9, I double they would have fixed 
the unicode problem and the other things they broke when they 
made Project Bulider "fancy":
Apr 09 2015
parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2015-04-09 11:34, Jens Bauer wrote:


 Xcode 2.5 is the best Xcode. There's only one IDE from Apple which is
 better: Project Builder!
 The rest of them are too broken for me. Xcode 3.x keeps spamming my
 console.

 Even if I could run Xcode 7254.9, I double they would have fixed the
 unicode problem and the other things they broke when they made Project
 Bulider "fancy":


I think Xcode 4 was a major improvement, it's a complete redesign. The 
later versions are smaller improvements on top of that.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Apr 09 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "Pierre Krafft" <kpierre+dlang outlook.com> writes:
Any editor using DCD will be great, and I think most D editors 
are. I use Sublime exclusively since it's easy to setup and 
effective for me to use.
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "UselessManagerine" <hgfdhfdghh zerzer.ch> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


You're welcome ^^.
Roll on the results.
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "Kapps" <opantm2+spam gmail.com> writes:
Mono-D primarily, occasionally Sublime Text.

Before that it was my own VS plugin, and hopefully at some point 
in the future it'll be my own IDE. Existing ones always annoy me 
in some way.
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "eyveer" <eyveer gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


question to vim users - how did you configure autocomplete?
Apr 08 2015
next sibling parent "Adam D. Ruppe" <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:02:20 UTC, eyveer wrote:

 question to vim users - how did you configure autocomplete?


I just use the basic built in keyword autocomplete, mapped to the 
tab key for ease of access. Works for all languages!
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Idan Arye" <GenericNPC gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:02:20 UTC, eyveer wrote:

 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 question to vim users - how did you configure autocomplete?


https://github.com/idanarye/vim-dutyl
Apr 08 2015
parent "John Colvin" <john.loughran.colvin gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 22:53:17 UTC, Idan Arye wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:02:20 UTC, eyveer wrote:

 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 question to vim users - how did you configure autocomplete?


 https://github.com/idanarye/vim-dutyl


+1
Apr 09 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?IkFuZHLDqSI=?= <spam spambog.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


As I already use Qt Creator for C++ development I also use it 
with the great qtcreator-dlangeditor and qtcreator-dubmanager 
plugins, giving me DCD and DUB integration [1], [2]. VIM mode is 
enabled of course :-)

André

[1] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dlangeditor
[2] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dubmanager
Apr 08 2015
next sibling parent reply Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 16:19:13 +0000
"André" via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 
 As I already use Qt Creator for C++ development I also use it 
 with the great qtcreator-dlangeditor and qtcreator-dubmanager 
 plugins, giving me DCD and DUB integration [1], [2]. VIM mode is 
 enabled of course :-)
 
 André
 
 [1] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dlangeditor
 [2] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dubmanager


I am trying to use it, but I am unable to find out how.
I can compile it, and enable both plugins in my qtcreator. But there is now D
project or anythink like this when I try to create new project. If i try open
some d file autocompletion seems to work, but no syntax highlighting
Apr 08 2015
parent reply =?UTF-8?B?IkFuZHLDqSI=?= <spam spambog.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:56:28 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:

 
 As I already use Qt Creator for C++ development I also use it 
 with the great qtcreator-dlangeditor and qtcreator-dubmanager 
 plugins, giving me DCD and DUB integration [1], [2]. VIM mode 
 is enabled of course :-)
 
 André
 
 [1] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dlangeditor
 [2] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dubmanager


 I am trying to use it, but I am unable to find out how.
 I can compile it, and enable both plugins in my qtcreator. But 
 there is now D
 project or anythink like this when I try to create new project. 
 If i try open
 some d file autocompletion seems to work, but no syntax 
 highlighting


That's right. The plugin doesn't support creating new D projects 
but just allows opening existing dub projects (just navigate to 
the DUB .json file and open it - the project tree should show all 
D files). If I don't forget it I'll add an issue to the project 
because that would be a great addition to create new projects 
from the IDE. Syntax highlighting worked out of the box for me.. 
Did you try to download additional D syntax hightlighting files 
from the standard Qt Creator editor settings? Syntax 
hightlighting is handled by Qt Creator already but not the plugin.

Cheers,
André
Apr 08 2015
parent "Daniel Kozak" <kozzi11 gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 17:56:19 UTC, André wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:56:28 UTC, Daniel Kozak wrote:

 
 As I already use Qt Creator for C++ development I also use it 
 with the great qtcreator-dlangeditor and qtcreator-dubmanager 
 plugins, giving me DCD and DUB integration [1], [2]. VIM mode 
 is enabled of course :-)
 
 André
 
 [1] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dlangeditor
 [2] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dubmanager


 I am trying to use it, but I am unable to find out how.
 I can compile it, and enable both plugins in my qtcreator. But 
 there is now D
 project or anythink like this when I try to create new 
 project. If i try open
 some d file autocompletion seems to work, but no syntax 
 highlighting


 That's right. The plugin doesn't support creating new D 
 projects but just allows opening existing dub projects (just 
 navigate to the DUB .json file and open it - the project tree 
 should show all D files). If I don't forget it I'll add an 
 issue to the project because that would be a great addition to 
 create new projects from the IDE. Syntax highlighting worked 
 out of the box for me.. Did you try to download additional D 
 syntax hightlighting files from the standard Qt Creator editor 
 settings? Syntax hightlighting is handled by Qt Creator already 
 but not the plugin.

 Cheers,
 André


Thanks for your reply, now I need to change my votes :D. 
QtCreator works really well, even debugging is somehow possible 
(good enought for me)
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "weaselcat" <weaselcat gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:19:15 UTC, André wrote:

 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 As I already use Qt Creator for C++ development I also use it 
 with the great qtcreator-dlangeditor and qtcreator-dubmanager 
 plugins, giving me DCD and DUB integration [1], [2]. VIM mode 
 is enabled of course :-)

 André

 [1] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dlangeditor
 [2] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dubmanager


What is the state of C++ interop support in D? Would it be 
possible to rewrite these in D?
Apr 08 2015
parent "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 17:58:52 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 What is the state of C++ interop support in D? Would it be 
 possible to rewrite these in D?


Interfacing with Qt is the holy grail of C++ interop :) Of course 
it's far from being there.
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling parent reply "weaselcat" <weaselcat gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:19:15 UTC, André wrote:

 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 As I already use Qt Creator for C++ development I also use it 
 with the great qtcreator-dlangeditor and qtcreator-dubmanager 
 plugins, giving me DCD and DUB integration [1], [2]. VIM mode 
 is enabled of course :-)

 André

 [1] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dlangeditor
 [2] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dubmanager


This seems quite good, is there a way to add dub project includes 
to dcd automatically?

qtcreator uses insanely little resources compared to basically 
every other IDE.
Apr 08 2015
parent reply =?UTF-8?B?IkFuZHLDqSI=?= <spam spambog.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 19:31:29 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:19:15 UTC, André wrote:

 As I already use Qt Creator for C++ development I also use it 
 with the great qtcreator-dlangeditor and qtcreator-dubmanager 
 plugins, giving me DCD and DUB integration [1], [2]. VIM mode 
 is enabled of course :-)

 André

 [1] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dlangeditor
 [2] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dubmanager


 This seems quite good, is there a way to add dub project 
 includes to dcd automatically?

 qtcreator uses insanely little resources compared to basically 
 every other IDE.


The plugin already adds DUB's include paths automatically to DCD. 
I am using the plugin on a vibe.d + mysql native project and all 
includes just work automagically (for some reason DCD doesn't 
play nice with vibe.d completions but that's a DCD related story).

I also switched to QtCreator because it always feels snappy and 
makes it possible to do everything just with some keyboard 
snapshots (Ctrl + K is just great). Also I have never seen any 
better Git and side-by-side diff integration in any other IDE.
Apr 08 2015
parent Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:10:58 +0000
"André" via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 19:31:29 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 April 2015 at 16:19:15 UTC, André wrote:

 As I already use Qt Creator for C++ development I also use it 
 with the great qtcreator-dlangeditor and qtcreator-dubmanager 
 plugins, giving me DCD and DUB integration [1], [2]. VIM mode 
 is enabled of course :-)

 André

 [1] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dlangeditor
 [2] https://github.com/Groterik/qtcreator-dubmanager


 This seems quite good, is there a way to add dub project 
 includes to dcd automatically?

 qtcreator uses insanely little resources compared to basically 
 every other IDE.


 
 The plugin already adds DUB's include paths automatically to DCD. 
 I am using the plugin on a vibe.d + mysql native project and all 
 includes just work automagically (for some reason DCD doesn't 
 play nice with vibe.d completions but that's a DCD related story).
 
 I also switched to QtCreator because it always feels snappy and 
 makes it possible to do everything just with some keyboard 
 snapshots (Ctrl + K is just great). Also I have never seen any 
 better Git and side-by-side diff integration in any other IDE.


Yep, QtCreator is perfect, only one IDE can beat it in future probably.
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "Jack Applegame" <japplegame gmail.com> writes:
Sublime Text 3
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "bioinfornatics" <bioinfornatics fedoraproject.org> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


It seem now intellij support D lang.
I use it for some java project is a good IDE.
Apr 08 2015
next sibling parent Daniel =?UTF-8?B?S296w6Fr?= via Digitalmars-d writes:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:37:37 +0000
bioinfornatics via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 
 It seem now intellij support D lang.
 I use it for some java project is a good IDE.


Do you mean this project: https://github.com/kingsleyh/DLanguage

Or anything else?
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling parent Daniel =?UTF-8?B?S296w6Fr?= via Digitalmars-d writes:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:37:37 +0000
bioinfornatics via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 
 It seem now intellij support D lang.
 I use it for some java project is a good IDE.


Do you mean this project: https://github.com/kingsleyh/DLanguage

Or anything else?
Apr 08 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "rumbu" <rumbu rumbu.ro> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


Visual D for the overall experience (code editing and debugging, 
integrated C++ conversion, integrated profiling).

Mono-D does a better job at syntax highlighting and code 
completion.
Apr 09 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "ponce" <contact gam3sfrommars.fr> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


Sublime on smaller screen and when not debugging (I like the 
distraction-free mode very much).
On larger screens and when debugging, VisualD with Mago.


Tried to make my own IDE but it kinda sucks and no real time for 
this :)
https://github.com/p0nce/dido
Apr 09 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "ANtlord" <antlord92 gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


Where is results? Or do we see 'em after several days?
Apr 09 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "FreeSlave" <freeslave93 gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


I use Kate. Although it's not IDE but text editor, it has bunch 
of useful plugins like Lumen (autocompletion using DCD), gdb 
frontend, terminal tool view, file system browser and more.
Apr 09 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Szymon Gatner" <noemail gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


In my time Vim and Emacs were just fancy text editors, not IDEs. 
Are they really IDEs now? Do they manage pojects? Do they 
autocomplete? Do they build / deploy to device with one 
keystroke? Do they support debugging (breakpoints / variable / 
registers inspection)? Do they support refactoring?

Please don't take it as an attack or trolling but if they don't 
(and I am pretty sure they don't (maybe I am wrong about 
autocoplete)) they they are not Integrated Development 
Environments.
Apr 10 2015
next sibling parent "John Colvin" <john.loughran.colvin gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 08:02:15 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 In my time Vim and Emacs were just fancy text editors, not 
 IDEs. Are they really IDEs now? Do they manage pojects? Do they 
 autocomplete? Do they build / deploy to device with one 
 keystroke? Do they support debugging (breakpoints / variable / 
 registers inspection)? Do they support refactoring?

 Please don't take it as an attack or trolling but if they don't 
 (and I am pretty sure they don't (maybe I am wrong about 
 autocoplete)) they they are not Integrated Development 
 Environments.


They support a great deal of what you mention through plugins and 
integration with existing toolchains.

I'm pretty sure I don't want my build and deployment process tied 
to my specific editor/IDE. Having 'make' (or hopefully something 
less horrible) mapped to a keyboard shortcut works fine.
Apr 10 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Daniel =?UTF-8?B?S296w6Fr?= via Digitalmars-d writes:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:02:12 +0000
Szymon Gatner via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 
 In my time Vim and Emacs were just fancy text editors, not IDEs. 
 Are they really IDEs now? 
 Do they manage pojects?


Yes


 Do they autocomplete?


Yes


 Do they build / deploy to device with one keystroke?


Yes


 Do they support debugging (breakpoints / variable / registers inspection)?


Yes


 Do they support refactoring?


I do not know


 Please don't take it as an attack or trolling but if they don't 
 (and I am pretty sure they don't (maybe I am wrong about 
 autocoplete)) they they are not Integrated Development 
 Environments.
Apr 10 2015
parent reply "Szymon Gatner" <noemail gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 08:25:52 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:

 On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:02:12 +0000
 Szymon Gatner via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> 
 wrote:


 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 
 In my time Vim and Emacs were just fancy text editors, not 
 IDEs. Are they really IDEs now? Do they manage pojects?


 Yes


 Do they autocomplete?


 Yes


 Do they build / deploy to device with one keystroke?


 Yes


 Do they support debugging (breakpoints / variable / registers 
 inspection)?


 Yes


 Do they support refactoring?


 I do not know


 Please don't take it as an attack or trolling but if they 
 don't (and I am pretty sure they don't (maybe I am wrong about 
 autocoplete)) they they are not Integrated Development 
 Environments.




Happy to have learned something today. A lot must have changed 
since I used Vim few years ago then.
Apr 10 2015
next sibling parent reply Daniel =?UTF-8?B?S296w6Fr?= via Digitalmars-d writes:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:28:47 +0000
Szymon Gatner via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 08:25:52 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:

 On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:02:12 +0000
 Szymon Gatner via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> 
 wrote:


 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 
 In my time Vim and Emacs were just fancy text editors, not 
 IDEs. Are they really IDEs now? Do they manage pojects?


 Yes


 Do they autocomplete?


 Yes


 Do they build / deploy to device with one keystroke?


 Yes


 Do they support debugging (breakpoints / variable / registers 
 inspection)?


 Yes


 Do they support refactoring?


 I do not know


 Please don't take it as an attack or trolling but if they 
 don't (and I am pretty sure they don't (maybe I am wrong about 
 autocoplete)) they they are not Integrated Development 
 Environments.




 
 Happy to have learned something today. A lot must have changed 
 since I used Vim few years ago then.



Yep, as I said, you can make IDE from vim (you will need many
plugins), but I still prefer Intellij Idea, QtCreator or another real
IDE with vim mode editor ;)
Apr 10 2015
next sibling parent reply "John Colvin" <john.loughran.colvin gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 09:29:51 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:

 On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:28:47 +0000
 Szymon Gatner via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> 
 wrote:


 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 08:25:52 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:

 On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:02:12 +0000
 Szymon Gatner via Digitalmars-d 
 <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I 
 forgot your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 
 In my time Vim and Emacs were just fancy text editors, not 
 IDEs. Are they really IDEs now? Do they manage pojects?


 Yes


 Do they autocomplete?


 Yes


 Do they build / deploy to device with one keystroke?


 Yes


 Do they support debugging (breakpoints / variable / 
 registers inspection)?


 Yes


 Do they support refactoring?


 I do not know


 Please don't take it as an attack or trolling but if they 
 don't (and I am pretty sure they don't (maybe I am wrong 
 about autocoplete)) they they are not Integrated 
 Development Environments.




 
 Happy to have learned something today. A lot must have changed 
 since I used Vim few years ago then.



 Yep, as I said, you can make IDE from vim (you will need many
 plugins), but I still prefer Intellij Idea, QtCreator or 
 another real
 IDE with vim mode editor ;)


How much support for customisation do these vim modes have? There 
are bits of my .vimrc I'd be unwilling to give up.
Apr 10 2015
parent Daniel =?UTF-8?B?S296w6Fr?= via Digitalmars-d writes:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 09:33:07 +0000
John Colvin via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 09:29:51 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:

 On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:28:47 +0000
 Szymon Gatner via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> 
 wrote:


 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 08:25:52 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:

 On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:02:12 +0000
 Szymon Gatner via Digitalmars-d 
 <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I 
 forgot your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 
 In my time Vim and Emacs were just fancy text editors, not 
 IDEs. Are they really IDEs now? Do they manage pojects?


 Yes


 Do they autocomplete?


 Yes


 Do they build / deploy to device with one keystroke?


 Yes


 Do they support debugging (breakpoints / variable / 
 registers inspection)?


 Yes


 Do they support refactoring?


 I do not know


 Please don't take it as an attack or trolling but if they 
 don't (and I am pretty sure they don't (maybe I am wrong 
 about autocoplete)) they they are not Integrated 
 Development Environments.




 
 Happy to have learned something today. A lot must have changed 
 since I used Vim few years ago then.



 Yep, as I said, you can make IDE from vim (you will need many
 plugins), but I still prefer Intellij Idea, QtCreator or 
 another real
 IDE with vim mode editor ;)


 
 How much support for customisation do these vim modes have? There 
 are bits of my .vimrc I'd be unwilling to give up.


https://github.com/JetBrains/ideavim#summary-of-supported-vim-features
https://github.com/JetBrains/ideavim/blob/master/doc/set-commands.md
Apr 10 2015
prev sibling parent "Szymon Gatner" <noemail gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 09:29:51 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:

 On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:28:47 +0000
 Szymon Gatner via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> 
 wrote:


 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 08:25:52 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:

 On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:02:12 +0000
 Szymon Gatner via Digitalmars-d 
 <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I 
 forgot your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 
 In my time Vim and Emacs were just fancy text editors, not 
 IDEs. Are they really IDEs now? Do they manage pojects?


 Yes


 Do they autocomplete?


 Yes


 Do they build / deploy to device with one keystroke?


 Yes


 Do they support debugging (breakpoints / variable / 
 registers inspection)?


 Yes


 Do they support refactoring?


 I do not know


 Please don't take it as an attack or trolling but if they 
 don't (and I am pretty sure they don't (maybe I am wrong 
 about autocoplete)) they they are not Integrated 
 Development Environments.




 
 Happy to have learned something today. A lot must have changed 
 since I used Vim few years ago then.



 Yep, as I said, you can make IDE from vim (you will need many
 plugins), but I still prefer Intellij Idea, QtCreator or 
 another real
 IDE with vim mode editor ;)


And the features I mentioned are like the very basics, I strongly 
doubt Vim will ever allow me to debug OpenGL / Direct3D rendering 
call by call and observe the color buffer. In the end it feels 
like console vs GUI preference really.
Apr 10 2015
prev sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 04/10/2015 01:28 AM, Szymon Gatner wrote:


 A lot must have changed since I  used Vim few years ago then.


I hope this is not taken as an attack on Vim users but from my limited 
observations at work, users of Emacs use it powerfully and users of Vim 
use it as a simple editor.

One example is dealing with multiple files (buffers): I and all the 
other Emacs users have dozens of files open at a time, switching between 
them seemlessly. I don't even close my Emacs sessions for months.

On the other hand, most of the Vim users keep a single file open at a 
time. It is painful for me to watch how a Vim user goes to the 
definition of 'struct' that is already open in a .c file: exit Vim, 
change directory to 'include', start Vim again with the .h file. Argh! :)

Ali
Apr 10 2015
next sibling parent reply "Adam D. Ruppe" <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 17:59:45 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 One example is dealing with multiple files (buffers): I and all 
 the other Emacs users have dozens of files open at a time, 
 switching between them seemlessly. I don't even close my Emacs 
 sessions for months.


:s/Emacs/Vim/g

and you have how I do it!
Apr 10 2015
parent reply =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 04/10/2015 11:02 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 17:59:45 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 One example is dealing with multiple files (buffers): I and all the
 other Emacs users have dozens of files open at a time, switching
 between them seemlessly. I don't even close my Emacs sessions for months.


 :s/Emacs/Vim/g


Alternative:

M-x replace-string Emacs [Enter] Vim [Enter]

:p


 and you have how I do it!


Please talk to my Vim friends.

Ali
Apr 10 2015
parent Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On 10 April 2015 at 20:07, Ali Çehreli <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:

 On 04/10/2015 11:02 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 17:59:45 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 One example is dealing with multiple files (buffers): I and all the
 other Emacs users have dozens of files open at a time, switching
 between them seemlessly. I don't even close my Emacs sessions for months.



 :s/Emacs/Vim/g



 Alternative:

 M-x replace-string Emacs [Enter] Vim [Enter]

 :p


 and you have how I do it!



 Please talk to my Vim friends.


Even better, forward them this link:  http://stackoverflow.com/a/65732
Apr 10 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On 10 April 2015 at 19:59, Ali Çehreli <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:

 On 04/10/2015 01:28 AM, Szymon Gatner wrote:


 A lot must have changed since I  used Vim few years ago then.


 I hope this is not taken as an attack on Vim users but from my limited
 observations at work, users of Emacs use it powerfully and users of Vim use
 it as a simple editor.

 One example is dealing with multiple files (buffers): I and all the other
 Emacs users have dozens of files open at a time, switching between them
 seemlessly. I don't even close my Emacs sessions for months.

 On the other hand, most of the Vim users keep a single file open at a time.
 It is painful for me to watch how a Vim user goes to the definition of
 'struct' that is already open in a .c file: exit Vim, change directory to
 'include', start Vim again with the .h file. Argh! :)


I guess these so-called 'Vim' users have never heard of ls/bp/bn
commands. Nor have mapped them to simple keys. :-)
Apr 10 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent "H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d" <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:59:45AM -0700, Ali Çehreli via Digitalmars-d wrote:
[...]

 I hope this is not taken as an attack on Vim users but from my limited
 observations at work, users of Emacs use it powerfully and users of
 Vim use it as a simple editor.
 
 One example is dealing with multiple files (buffers): I and all the
 other Emacs users have dozens of files open at a time, switching
 between them seemlessly. I don't even close my Emacs sessions for
 months.
 
 On the other hand, most of the Vim users keep a single file open at a
 time.  It is painful for me to watch how a Vim user goes to the
 definition of 'struct' that is already open in a .c file: exit Vim,
 change directory to 'include', start Vim again with the .h file. Argh!
 :)


[...]

What?! What kind of n00b vim (l)users do you work with??  I basically
never exit vim when I'm editing something, whether it's coding or
otherwise.  Have they never heard of the :sp command?? You just go :sp
include/mymod.h and there you have both the code and the definition in
one session. Or, better yet, use ctags and just c-] to get to the
definition in two keystrokes, then c-t to get back to where you were.

A common habit of mine when I want to see both the caller and the callee
is to go :sp c-], which splits the screen with the definition on top and
the caller on the bottom. Who in their right mind needs to exit vim and
restart it again?!  That's totally n00bish. Even when I need to go to
the shell, I just use c-z to suspend it, do whatever I need to do in the
shell, and fg to get back. I almost always keep my vim session running
in the root of the source tree, and just type the path to the files --
vim *does* autocomplete filenames on tab, so it's usually just a few
keystrokes to get you there.

These are basic beginner vim skillz, and I'm astonished the vim users in
your office can't even handle something so simple.  You might as well
say emacs sux because a vim user doesn't know how to use 95% of its
functionality. :-P  Somebody needs to make good use of a cluebat in your
office.  :-P


T

-- 
Public parking: euphemism for paid parking. -- Flora
Apr 10 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On 4/10/15 1:59 PM, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 On 04/10/2015 01:28 AM, Szymon Gatner wrote:

  > A lot must have changed since I  used Vim few years ago then.

 I hope this is not taken as an attack on Vim users but from my limited
 observations at work, users of Emacs use it powerfully and users of Vim
 use it as a simple editor.

 One example is dealing with multiple files (buffers): I and all the
 other Emacs users have dozens of files open at a time, switching between
 them seemlessly. I don't even close my Emacs sessions for months.

 On the other hand, most of the Vim users keep a single file open at a
 time. It is painful for me to watch how a Vim user goes to the
 definition of 'struct' that is already open in a .c file: exit Vim,
 change directory to 'include', start Vim again with the .h file. Argh! :)


You need to find some new vim users ;)

Tell them to do:

:help sp

-Steve
Apr 10 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Idan Arye" <GenericNPC gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 17:59:45 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 On 04/10/2015 01:28 AM, Szymon Gatner wrote:


 A lot must have changed since I  used Vim few years ago then.


 I hope this is not taken as an attack on Vim users but from my 
 limited observations at work, users of Emacs use it powerfully 
 and users of Vim use it as a simple editor.

 One example is dealing with multiple files (buffers): I and all 
 the other Emacs users have dozens of files open at a time, 
 switching between them seemlessly. I don't even close my Emacs 
 sessions for months.

 On the other hand, most of the Vim users keep a single file 
 open at a time. It is painful for me to watch how a Vim user 
 goes to the definition of 'struct' that is already open in a .c 
 file: exit Vim, change directory to 'include', start Vim again 
 with the .h file. Argh! :)

 Ali


Many of these Vim users are not really Vim users - not in the 
sense that Emacs users are Emacs users anyways. Sure, they use 
Vim - but only because it's a default editor in Unix-like 
systems. If Windows Notepad was the default text they wouldn't 
have installed Vim so they could use it - they simply would have 
used Notepad. They just want something that'll allow them to edit 
text files, and they don't care to learn anything more advanced 
than the most basic stuff they need - opening it from the shell 
to edit a file, typing text, saving, closing. Other simple 
commands - like opening another file in the same session - might 
also be basic and simple, but because they are not part of that 
workflow these users won't bother to learn them.

That being said, it is true that many actual Vim users use it as 
just an editor for editing text. Not only that - they 
ideologically oppose the usage of Vim for more than simple text 
editing, as demonstrated in the comments to a Stack Overflow 
question of mine(http://stackoverflow.com/q/17383324/794380).
Apr 10 2015
next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2015-04-10 21:02, Idan Arye wrote:


 Many of these Vim users are not really Vim users - not in the sense that
 Emacs users are Emacs users anyways. Sure, they use Vim - but only
 because it's a default editor in Unix-like systems. If Windows Notepad
 was the default text they wouldn't have installed Vim so they could use
 it - they simply would have used Notepad. They just want something
 that'll allow them to edit text files, and they don't care to learn
 anything more advanced than the most basic stuff they need - opening it
 from the shell to edit a file, typing text, saving, closing. Other
 simple commands - like opening another file in the same session - might
 also be basic and simple, but because they are not part of that workflow
 these users won't bother to learn them.


I wouldn't call those Vim users, even I can do that. But that is only 
because sometimes I need to SSH in to a computer and edit a file that 
doesn't provide anything other than Vim.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Apr 11 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Dicebot" <public dicebot.lv> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 19:02:05 UTC, Idan Arye wrote:

 Many of these Vim users are not really Vim users - not in the 
 sense that Emacs users are Emacs users anyways. Sure, they use 
 Vim - but only because it's a default editor in Unix-like 
 systems. If Windows Notepad was the default text they wouldn't 
 have installed Vim so they could use it - they simply would 
 have used Notepad. They just want something that'll allow them 
 to edit text files, and they don't care to learn anything more 
 advanced than the most basic stuff they need - opening it from 
 the shell to edit a file, typing text, saving, closing. Other 
 simple commands - like opening another file in the same session 
 - might also be basic and simple, but because they are not part 
 of that workflow these users won't bother to learn them.


I am actually one of those users. Set of vim features I really 
rely on is limited to tab buffers, regex search, built-in 
autocompletion and "jump to matching bracket" hotkey. Reason is 
simple - working with text is never a bottleneck in my work, I 
simply don't care how effective it is. Main benefit of vim to me 
is uniformity - it is exactly the same experience on my dev 
machine and via remote shell. Rest is just collection of optional 
yummies that can be used on per need basis.
Apr 12 2015
parent =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 04/12/2015 10:49 AM, Dicebot wrote:


 it is exactly the same experience on my dev machine and via
 remote shell


I love Emacs's tramp mode. If I can access a host, say with ssh, then I 
can open any remote file locally, without needing to do anything 
specially other than using a URL syntax.

The cool thing is that if I 'compile' when a remote buffer is open, 
Emacs compiles on the remote system! Wow! :) Likewise, if I grep when a 
remote buffer is open, it greps remotely! Shell, etc. they all work that 
way. And, I heard that there are better modes than tramp to do the same 
but I haven't needed to try them yet.

Ali
Apr 12 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Atila Neves" <atila.neves gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 17:59:45 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 On 04/10/2015 01:28 AM, Szymon Gatner wrote:


 A lot must have changed since I  used Vim few years ago then.


 I hope this is not taken as an attack on Vim users but from my 
 limited observations at work, users of Emacs use it powerfully 
 and users of Vim use it as a simple editor.

 One example is dealing with multiple files (buffers): I and all 
 the other Emacs users have dozens of files open at a time, 
 switching between them seemlessly. I don't even close my Emacs 
 sessions for months.

 On the other hand, most of the Vim users keep a single file 
 open at a time. It is painful for me to watch how a Vim user 
 goes to the definition of 'struct' that is already open in a .c 
 file: exit Vim, change directory to 'include', start Vim again 
 with the .h file. Argh! :)

 Ali


It pains me to watch "vim users" do this. I'm an Emacs user 
myself, but I _know_ that what they're doing isn't necessary. I 
think I know more about vim than they do.

Atila
Apr 12 2015
parent "w0rp" <devw0rp gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 19:41:10 UTC, Atila Neves wrote:

 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 17:59:45 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 On 04/10/2015 01:28 AM, Szymon Gatner wrote:


 A lot must have changed since I  used Vim few years ago then.


 I hope this is not taken as an attack on Vim users but from my 
 limited observations at work, users of Emacs use it powerfully 
 and users of Vim use it as a simple editor.

 One example is dealing with multiple files (buffers): I and 
 all the other Emacs users have dozens of files open at a time, 
 switching between them seemlessly. I don't even close my Emacs 
 sessions for months.

 On the other hand, most of the Vim users keep a single file 
 open at a time. It is painful for me to watch how a Vim user 
 goes to the definition of 'struct' that is already open in a 
 .c file: exit Vim, change directory to 'include', start Vim 
 again with the .h file. Argh! :)

 Ali


 It pains me to watch "vim users" do this. I'm an Emacs user 
 myself, but I _know_ that what they're doing isn't necessary. I 
 think I know more about vim than they do.

 Atila


I personally use GVim with tabs and alias gvim in my terminal to 
open files in a new tab. I even use :mksession from time to time 
to save my current Vim session. Often I do like to start again, 
which I also do with my web browser, because starting from just a 
few files helps me think.
Apr 12 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Idan Arye" <GenericNPC gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 08:02:15 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 On Tuesday, 7 April 2015 at 22:58:44 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 Hi, I hope nobody minds but I'm just curious as to the 
 popularity amongst D IDEs for a blog post. Sorry if I forgot 
 your favorite $editor.

 http://goo.gl/forms/MmsuInzDL0

 thanks : )


 In my time Vim and Emacs were just fancy text editors, not 
 IDEs. Are they really IDEs now? Do they manage pojects? Do they 
 autocomplete? Do they build / deploy to device with one 
 keystroke? Do they support debugging (breakpoints / variable / 
 registers inspection)? Do they support refactoring?

 Please don't take it as an attack or trolling but if they don't 
 (and I am pretty sure they don't (maybe I am wrong about 
 autocoplete)) they they are not Integrated Development 
 Environments.


Powerful text editors like Vim and Emacs(and the more modern 
ones, like Sublime, Atom etc.) are IDEs in the same sense that 
UNIX is an IDE. They can't really do any of that IDE stuff 
themselves, but they can delegate it to external programs, and 
they can have plugins to make that go smoother.

I personally gone to great lengths to make Vim more IDE-like and 
work with it to develop D code:


 Do they manage pojects?


With plugins like NERD 
Tree(https://github.com/scrooloose/nerdtree) and 
ctrlp(https://github.com/kien/ctrlp.vim) I can treat the current 
working directory as the project, quickly navigating it's 
directory tree like in most IDEs and jumping to files.


 Do they autocomplete?


Vim comes with many general-purpose autocompletion options - 
words in opened files, tags, filenames, whole lines, static 
dictionaries based on the filetype etc.

Vim also allows to create a Vimscript function for 
autocompletions, which means that if there is some extrnal 
utility that provides autocompletion service for your language, 
you can delegate autocompletion to it. In D's case we have 
DCD(https://github.com/Hackerpilot/DCD), and 
Dutyl(https://github.com/idanarye/vim-dutyl) can get 
autocompletions from it.


 Do they build / deploy to device with one keystroke?


If you can do it via command line, you can create a keybind for 
running that command line. Since that command can be different 
between different projects - not to mention different programming 
languages! - I've created 
Integrake(https://github.com/idanarye/vim-integrake), which 
allows me to quickly create and manage small pieces of Ruby code 
I can use to build the project, deploy it to device, run it, 
pretty much everything. Since the command to run an Integrake 
task is always the same(assuming I name the task the same), I can 
easily create global key-binds for them do them with a single 
keystroke. Sure, when creating the project I need to write that 
command once - but that's an extremely low overhead that I only 
need to do when I create the project or when I want to change the 
build flags or stuff.

Actually, in my case it's two keystrokes - but that's a matter of 
personal preferences(first key stroke is the prefix, then I have 
the full ABC * modifier keys to map to the different tasks(and 
theoretically numbers and symbols - but I haven't reached the 
point I have so many tasks to map that I need to use those, and 
it's easier to remember that "b" = "build" and "d" = "deploy" 
than to guess what "1" means...)


 Do they support debugging (breakpoints / variable / registers 
 inspection)?


Since D can be debugged with GDB, I can use 
Vebugger(https://github.com/idanarye/vim-vebugger) to set 
breakpoints, inspect variables etc. It doesn't have a full 
feature-set yet(mainly because I'm too lazy to develop them...), 
but it will. Someday. Probably...


 Do they support refactoring?


Don't even need plugins for that(though there are many plugins 
that improve this aspect) - Vim's text manipulation features are 
second to none, and once you get used to modal editing and get 
your muscles to memorize the keymaps, you you refactor far more 
flexibly than what your IDE's developers decided to implement and 
put in the Edit->Refactor menu.
Apr 10 2015
next sibling parent reply "Szymon Gatner" <noemail gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 16:16:54 UTC, Idan Arye wrote:

 Powerful text editors like Vim and Emacs(and the more modern 
 ones, like Sublime, Atom etc.) are IDEs in the same sense that 
 UNIX is an IDE.


So not at all.

Just teasing ;) I get your point, but surely we differ in the 
definition of "Integrated".
Apr 10 2015
parent "Idan Arye" <GenericNPC gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 16:24:24 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:

 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 16:16:54 UTC, Idan Arye wrote:

 Powerful text editors like Vim and Emacs(and the more modern 
 ones, like Sublime, Atom etc.) are IDEs in the same sense that 
 UNIX is an IDE.


 So not at all.

 Just teasing ;) I get your point, but surely we differ in the 
 definition of "Integrated".


I think these text editors can be integrated - but unlike IDEs 
batteries are not included, and you have to do a lot of 
configuration to get that integration. So - what's integrated is 
not the text editor itself, but the text editor + plugins + 
configuration.
Apr 10 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 16:16:54 UTC, Idan Arye wrote:

 [...]


 Do they support refactoring?


 Don't even need plugins for that(though there are many plugins 
 that improve this aspect) - Vim's text manipulation features 
 are second to none, and once you get used to modal editing and 
 get your muscles to memorize the keymaps, you you refactor far 
 more flexibly than what your IDE's developers decided to 
 implement and put in the Edit->Refactor menu.



How do you the following refactorings in vim?

- Move a method to another class located in another module, while 
updating all references to it, including module imports in the 
new file

- Rename a method, while updating all references to it, including 
comments and not replacing other occurrences of identifiers that 
happened to be named the same way on different scopes

- Extract a code snippet while updating the remaining code block 
to take the output of the function, if any

- Remove unused imports

Just some basic examples.
Apr 10 2015
parent reply "Adam D. Ruppe" <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 19:08:13 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:

 - Move a method to another class located in another module, 
 while updating all references to it, including module imports 
 in the new file


Cut the text out of one file, paste it in the new one, compile 
and fix what the compiler complains about.

...ditto for the others.


I admit this takes a few more minutes than an automatic ide thing 
might, but it isn't that big of a bother to me because the 
compiler errors combined with vim's "repeat last command" hotkey 
makes it fairly quick and painless. When I run make from inside 
vim, it jumps to the file and line the compiler spits out, so I 
can do a quick "cwnewname" then f4 (my hotkey to go to the next 
error) and ., repeat until done.
Apr 10 2015
next sibling parent reply "Idan Arye" <GenericNPC gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 19:19:38 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 19:08:13 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:

 - Move a method to another class located in another module, 
 while updating all references to it, including module imports 
 in the new file


 Cut the text out of one file, paste it in the new one, compile 
 and fix what the compiler complains about.

 ...ditto for the others.


 I admit this takes a few more minutes than an automatic ide 
 thing might, but it isn't that big of a bother to me because 
 the compiler errors combined with vim's "repeat last command" 
 hotkey makes it fairly quick and painless. When I run make from 
 inside vim, it jumps to the file and line the compiler spits 
 out, so I can do a quick "cwnewname" then f4 (my hotkey to go 
 to the next error) and ., repeat until done.


This - and also the fact that Vim's macros combine very well with 
modal editing. It's very easy to record a macro that does that 
specific refactoring bit in a specific place, and then jumps to 
the next place. After that, it's simply a matter of running that 
macro over and over until the refactor is done.
Apr 10 2015
parent "H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d" <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 07:34:35PM +0000, Idan Arye via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 19:19:38 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 19:08:13 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:

- Move a method to another class located in another module, while
updating all references to it, including module imports in the new
file


Cut the text out of one file, paste it in the new one, compile and
fix what the compiler complains about.

...ditto for the others.


I admit this takes a few more minutes than an automatic ide thing
might, but it isn't that big of a bother to me because the compiler
errors combined with vim's "repeat last command" hotkey makes it
fairly quick and painless. When I run make from inside vim, it jumps
to the file and line the compiler spits out, so I can do a quick
"cwnewname" then f4 (my hotkey to go to the next error) and ., repeat
until done.


 
 This - and also the fact that Vim's macros combine very well with
 modal editing. It's very easy to record a macro that does that
 specific refactoring bit in a specific place, and then jumps to the
 next place. After that, it's simply a matter of running that macro
 over and over until the refactor is done.


Which is extremely easy to do because Vim has built-in "repeat the next
command n times" facility. Something which IDEs lack -- because they can
only work at the abstraction level they were designed to do, whereas Vim
is actually its own language, and is thus able to express abstractions
its designers may not have thought of.

This is the inherent power of language, that no amount of clever
pre-baked set of functionalities can have. The only reason IDEs can do
complicated refactorings automatically, is because somebody hard-coded
that refactoring algorithm into the IDE code. Tell it to do something
else that it doesn't have built-in facility for, i.e., something that's
outside its set of prebaked algorithms, and it falls down flat.  A
language-oriented program like vim, OTOH, while it may not immediately
have all the end-user bells and whistles that modern IDEs have, *does*
give you the tools for building higher-level abstractions that can go
far beyond what its authors conceived of. This is achieved by giving you
the raw materials and tools -- regular expressions, repetition, macros,
etc., that are not confined to what the authors thought they would be
used for, but are expressive enough to go beyond that.

Sure it may take some effort to figure out, but at least, as the adage
goes, "easy things (things the authors thought of) are easy, and hard
things (things the authors didn't think of) are possible". For most IDEs
I've seen, "easy things are easy, but hard things are not possible". Sad
to say, sometimes even said "easy things" are relatively hard, or
inefficient to use (e.g., click through n levels of obscure nested menus
to find that one well-hidden item).


T

-- 
Only boring people get bored. -- JM
Apr 10 2015
prev sibling parent reply Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On 10 April 2015 at 21:19, Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d
<digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:

 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 19:08:13 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:

 - Move a method to another class located in another module, while updating
 all references to it, including module imports in the new file



 Cut the text out of one file, paste it in the new one, compile and fix what
 the compiler complains about.

 ...ditto for the others.


 I admit this takes a few more minutes than an automatic ide thing might, but
 it isn't that big of a bother to me because the compiler errors combined
 with vim's "repeat last command" hotkey makes it fairly quick and painless.
 When I run make from inside vim, it jumps to the file and line the compiler
 spits out, so I can do a quick "cwnewname" then f4 (my hotkey to go to the
 next error) and ., repeat until done.


Anyone use abbreviations in vim?

One thing that I want to do at some point in time is remap K to goto
the documentation of a function/method.

Iain.
Apr 11 2015
parent reply "weaselcat" <weaselcat gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 11 April 2015 at 10:00:45 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:

 On 10 April 2015 at 21:19, Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d
 <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:

 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 19:08:13 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:

 - Move a method to another class located in another module, 
 while updating
 all references to it, including module imports in the new file



 Cut the text out of one file, paste it in the new one, compile 
 and fix what
 the compiler complains about.

 ...ditto for the others.


 I admit this takes a few more minutes than an automatic ide 
 thing might, but
 it isn't that big of a bother to me because the compiler 
 errors combined
 with vim's "repeat last command" hotkey makes it fairly quick 
 and painless.
 When I run make from inside vim, it jumps to the file and line 
 the compiler
 spits out, so I can do a quick "cwnewname" then f4 (my hotkey 
 to go to the
 next error) and ., repeat until done.


 Anyone use abbreviations in vim?

 One thing that I want to do at some point in time is remap K to 
 goto
 the documentation of a function/method.

 Iain.


if you're using vim-dutyl you could just remap K to :DUjump or 
one of the split variants.
(DUddoc also shows the documentation of the symbol under your 
cursor.)
Apr 11 2015
next sibling parent reply Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On 11 April 2015 at 12:27, weaselcat via Digitalmars-d
<digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:

 On Saturday, 11 April 2015 at 10:00:45 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:

 On 10 April 2015 at 21:19, Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d
 <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:

 On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 19:08:13 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:

 - Move a method to another class located in another module, while
 updating
 all references to it, including module imports in the new file




 Cut the text out of one file, paste it in the new one, compile and fix
 what
 the compiler complains about.

 ...ditto for the others.


 I admit this takes a few more minutes than an automatic ide thing might,
 but
 it isn't that big of a bother to me because the compiler errors combined
 with vim's "repeat last command" hotkey makes it fairly quick and
 painless.
 When I run make from inside vim, it jumps to the file and line the
 compiler
 spits out, so I can do a quick "cwnewname" then f4 (my hotkey to go to
 the
 next error) and ., repeat until done.



 Anyone use abbreviations in vim?

 One thing that I want to do at some point in time is remap K to goto
 the documentation of a function/method.

 Iain.



 if you're using vim-dutyl you could just remap K to :DUjump or one of the
 split variants.
 (DUddoc also shows the documentation of the symbol under your cursor.)


No one announced (to me) it's existence.  Thanks!  I'll be sure to check it out.
Apr 11 2015
parent "weaselcat" <weaselcat gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 11 April 2015 at 21:44:08 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:


 No one announced (to me) it's existence.  Thanks!  I'll be sure 
 to check it out.


it also integrates DCD(combined with youcompleteme or similar 
plugin gives intellisense-like completion,) and dscanner.
Apr 11 2015
prev sibling parent reply "w0rp" <devw0rp gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 11 April 2015 at 10:27:15 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 if you're using vim-dutyl you could just remap K to :DUjump or 
 one of the split variants.
 (DUddoc also shows the documentation of the symbol under your 
 cursor.)


I'll have to try this myself. Vim has a feature for balloon 
messages, so I was wondering if there was something for that for 
D in Vim. You can see some examples if you run a Google image 
search for "vim balloonexpr."
Apr 11 2015
parent reply "Idan Arye" <GenericNPC gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 11 April 2015 at 22:29:58 UTC, w0rp wrote:

 On Saturday, 11 April 2015 at 10:27:15 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 if you're using vim-dutyl you could just remap K to :DUjump or 
 one of the split variants.
 (DUddoc also shows the documentation of the symbol under your 
 cursor.)


 I'll have to try this myself. Vim has a feature for balloon 
 messages, so I was wondering if there was something for that 
 for D in Vim. You can see some examples if you run a Google 
 image search for "vim balloonexpr."


Never seen much point in balloonexpr. What's to point of using 
Vim if I'm gonna use my mouse to do things?
Apr 11 2015
parent "weaselcat" <weaselcat gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 01:29:53 UTC, Idan Arye wrote:

 On Saturday, 11 April 2015 at 22:29:58 UTC, w0rp wrote:

 On Saturday, 11 April 2015 at 10:27:15 UTC, weaselcat wrote:

 if you're using vim-dutyl you could just remap K to :DUjump 
 or one of the split variants.
 (DUddoc also shows the documentation of the symbol under your 
 cursor.)


 I'll have to try this myself. Vim has a feature for balloon 
 messages, so I was wondering if there was something for that 
 for D in Vim. You can see some examples if you run a Google 
 image search for "vim balloonexpr."


 Never seen much point in balloonexpr. What's to point of using 
 Vim if I'm gonna use my mouse to do things?


balloonexpr is indeed a poor feature, but vim has a lot of those 
thanks to legacy cruft. One of the reasons I'm excited for(and 
already use) neovim, implementing something like a cursor-based 
balloonexpr would be extremely easy.
Apr 11 2015
prev sibling parent "Atila Neves" <atila.neves gmail.com> writes:
You've gotten other answers already, so I won't repeat them here. 
Refactoring wasn't really handled though, and that part depends 
on the language you're editing in Emacs. Basically, if someone 
has already written a package for that, good. If not, not so 
good. AFAIK there isn't a D one yet (I've thought of writing one 
based on DScanner/ DCD), but I get by fine in Python and C/C++ 
with rope for the former and rtags for the latter.

Emacs is a programmable environment. The answer to "can I do ____ 
in Emacs?" is invariably "yes". Sometimes that "yes" might mean 
writing elisp though. For most tasks, someone else has done it 
already.

With emacs, the problem is seldom one of possibility, but one of 
choice. First of all the default installation is horrible, 
meaning you need to customize it for it to be useful, and when 
you get to that point you need to choose which packages to 
install for all you endeavours.

As for the original point of this forum post, I use Emacs and DCD 
(with a package I maintain, ac-dcd). Autocomplete and 
jump-to-definition in a easy-to-use way, and that takes dub 
dependencies into account to boot.


 In my time Vim and Emacs were just fancy text editors, not 
 IDEs. Are they really IDEs now? Do they manage pojects? Do they 
 autocomplete? Do they build / deploy to device with one 
 keystroke? Do they support debugging (breakpoints / variable / 
 registers inspection)? Do they support refactoring?

 Please don't take it as an attack or trolling but if they don't 
 (and I am pretty sure they don't (maybe I am wrong about 
 autocoplete)) they they are not Integrated Development 
 Environments.
Apr 12 2015
prev sibling parent reply "Jonas Drewsen" <nospam4321 hotmail.com > writes:
Using Deadcode, emacs, VisualStudio, sublime.

Please post results. I'm probably the only one using Deadcode for 
now though :)

Anyway, for me the more important question is what features of 
your IDE/editor makes you stick with it or makes it the best one 
for you?

And finally what features you haven't seen anywhere else that you 
put in your own editor if you "had the time" to do that?

/Jonas
Apr 10 2015
parent "weaselcat" <weaselcat gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 10 April 2015 at 19:48:40 UTC, Jonas Drewsen wrote:

 Using Deadcode, emacs, VisualStudio, sublime.

 Please post results. I'm probably the only one using Deadcode 
 for now though :)

 Anyway, for me the more important question is what features of 
 your IDE/editor makes you stick with it or makes it the best 
 one for you?

 And finally what features you haven't seen anywhere else that 
 you put in your own editor if you "had the time" to do that?

 /Jonas


Mono-D	67	17.6%
VisualD	64	16.8%
Eclipse DDT	19	5%
Coedit	2	0.5%
DlangIDE	4	1.1%
Deadcode	2	0.5%
Vim	84	22.1%
Emacs	70	18.4%
Other	68	17.9%
http://i.imgur.com/AJxJjjx.png
Apr 10 2015