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digitalmars.D - Where Is THE Hype?

reply Hasan Aljudy <hasan.aljudy gmail.com> writes:
As I recall, tomorrow/today we should have D v1.0, but sheesh, shouldn't 
we be making a big fuss about it? Shouldn't we hype up the web before 
releasing it?
Jan 01 2007
next sibling parent Jeff M <jeff jeffrules.com> writes:
On 2007-01-01 00:35:54 -0800, Hasan Aljudy <hasan.aljudy gmail.com> said:


 As I recall, tomorrow/today we should have D v1.0, but sheesh, 
 shouldn't we be making a big fuss about it? Shouldn't we hype up the 
 web before releasing it?


All of the hype is in digitalmars.D.announce!  I'm far more excited 
about D than new years :-)

-- Jeff
Jan 01 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jeff <jeffrparsons optusnet.com.au> writes:
Hasan Aljudy wrote:

 As I recall, tomorrow/today we should have D v1.0, but sheesh, shouldn't 
 we be making a big fuss about it? Shouldn't we hype up the web before 
 releasing it?


It's not necessarily tomorrow, is it? I somehow gained the impression 
that the goal was a feature freeze as close to new year as possible, 
then whatever time needed to polish things off before release? Not sure...

Anyway, that's just an aside. My real question is: are you sure that 
artificial hype is actually a good idea in this case? What's going to be 
so spectacular about D1.0 for the /general public/ over previous 
versions? I understand the impact on library developers especially, but 
most of those interested are probably already well aware of what's 
happening.

What I'm worried about is over-hyping a release that's essentially just 
a frozen specification, and having potential users come and be 
disappointed when they find a lack of great and immediately useable 
libraries (including the standard library), partly because no existing 
library developers will have had time to react to the release yet.

Any thoughts on that problem? Am I blowing this way out of proportion?
Jan 01 2007
parent reply Hasan Aljudy <hasan.aljudy gmail.com> writes:
Jeff wrote:

 Hasan Aljudy wrote:

 As I recall, tomorrow/today we should have D v1.0, but sheesh, 
 shouldn't we be making a big fuss about it? Shouldn't we hype up the 
 web before releasing it?


 
 It's not necessarily tomorrow, is it? I somehow gained the impression 
 that the goal was a feature freeze as close to new year as possible, 
 then whatever time needed to polish things off before release? Not sure...
 
 Anyway, that's just an aside. My real question is: are you sure that 
 artificial hype is actually a good idea in this case? What's going to be 
 so spectacular about D1.0 for the /general public/ over previous 
 versions? I understand the impact on library developers especially, but 
 most of those interested are probably already well aware of what's 
 happening.
 
 What I'm worried about is over-hyping a release that's essentially just 
 a frozen specification, and having potential users come and be 
 disappointed when they find a lack of great and immediately useable 
 libraries (including the standard library), partly because no existing 
 library developers will have had time to react to the release yet.
 
 Any thoughts on that problem? Am I blowing this way out of proportion?


The idea is just to let people know about v1.0 and the feature freeze, 
because as it stands, I don't think anyone knows about it other the NG 
regulars. For example, even you don't know about it. It was announced by 
Walter a while ago in digitalmars.D.announce; that's it. No one outside 
the NG knows about it unless he's heard it from someone else.
Jan 01 2007
parent reply Glen Perkins <dont email.com> writes:
There are a lot of us who are just keeping an eye on D's progress by checking
the
newsgroup / forum from time to time without posting, and we're often the guys
who
keep others updated. I've been telling friends and colleagues about D.

I've also been telling them that v1.0 would be officially released on Jan. 1, so
there are quite a few of us who have been waiting for this date. It apparently
isn't happening, but that's not a problem for me or any of my friends. It would
be
nice, though, to have a brief status report from Walter along with the state of
his thinking regarding a dev plan. Having one always available on D's home page
would save having to dig through the forum postings for Walter's posts and
having
to mentally collect his offhand comments to piece together into an implied plan.

This doesn't have to be an onerous task. The Mono Project handled it well, IMO.
They simply listed what they already had, what they called it (version num),
what
they were thinking of adding next, what they thought they would probably call
that
(later version num), what had been pushed out to beyond next, what they might
call
that (v1.2? 2.0? vNever?). The plan had dates expressed to the nearest month,
quarter, or year, depending on what their guess was at the time. And everytime
they changed their minds, the plan changed. Fine. That was the true status, and
the project was highly regarded.

Even less detail than that would be fine. Walter could just put up a few bullet
points regarding what he has in mind currently and change them if he changes his
mine. It would be helpful to me, and anyone else who wanted to check on D from
time to time, to be able to see such a plan right on the home page, or from a
link
at the top of the home page. Most of us realize that we're getting D "for free"
and aren't making any demands. We'd love to be able to track its progress a bit
more easily, though.
Jan 01 2007
parent Kyle Furlong <kylefurlong gmail.com> writes:
Glen Perkins wrote:

 There are a lot of us who are just keeping an eye on D's progress by checking
the
 newsgroup / forum from time to time without posting, and we're often the guys
who
 keep others updated. I've been telling friends and colleagues about D.
 
 I've also been telling them that v1.0 would be officially released on Jan. 1,
so
 there are quite a few of us who have been waiting for this date. It apparently
 isn't happening, but that's not a problem for me or any of my friends. It
would be
 nice, though, to have a brief status report from Walter along with the state of
 his thinking regarding a dev plan. Having one always available on D's home page
 would save having to dig through the forum postings for Walter's posts and
having
 to mentally collect his offhand comments to piece together into an implied
plan.
 
 This doesn't have to be an onerous task. The Mono Project handled it well, IMO.
 They simply listed what they already had, what they called it (version num),
what
 they were thinking of adding next, what they thought they would probably call
that
 (later version num), what had been pushed out to beyond next, what they might
call
 that (v1.2? 2.0? vNever?). The plan had dates expressed to the nearest month,
 quarter, or year, depending on what their guess was at the time. And everytime
 they changed their minds, the plan changed. Fine. That was the true status, and
 the project was highly regarded.
 
 Even less detail than that would be fine. Walter could just put up a few bullet
 points regarding what he has in mind currently and change them if he changes
his
 mine. It would be helpful to me, and anyone else who wanted to check on D from
 time to time, to be able to see such a plan right on the home page, or from a
link
 at the top of the home page. Most of us realize that we're getting D "for free"
 and aren't making any demands. We'd love to be able to track its progress a bit
 more easily, though.
 


digitalmars.com/d needs a couple things. Like Glen said, a status 
section, with whatever development schedule is current. Also guarantees 
that the server wont break when Dugg/Slashdotted on 1.0 release.
Jan 01 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent Kirk McDonald <kirklin.mcdonald gmail.com> writes:
Hasan Aljudy wrote:

 As I recall, tomorrow/today we should have D v1.0, but sheesh, shouldn't 
 we be making a big fuss about it? Shouldn't we hype up the web before 
 releasing it?


Not sure if anyone else is, but I plan on trying to get us Slashdotted 
when 1.0 is released.

-- 
Kirk McDonald
Pyd: Wrapping Python with D
http://pyd.dsource.org
Jan 01 2007
prev sibling parent Clay Smith <clayasaurus gmai.com> writes:
Hasan Aljudy wrote:

 As I recall, tomorrow/today we should have D v1.0, but sheesh, shouldn't 
 we be making a big fuss about it? Shouldn't we hype up the web before 
 releasing it?


D 1.0 is not quite out yet.
~ Clay
Jan 01 2007