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reply "Iain Buclaw" <ibuclaw gdcproject.org> writes:
Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had 
a pleasant journey home.

To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions 
and debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked 
many mini projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration 
with gdc/ldc;  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't 
need a conference to get this sort of burst of activity of going. 
  And I imagine with some efforts (migrating D front end,  for 
instance) will require more discussions outside of the ML to keep 
it moving and iron out issues that can't be resolved through the 
ML.

For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up 
in any conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this 
effort, and others going.

Thoughts?


Regards
Iain.
May 05 2013
parent reply "Adam Wilson" <flyboynw gmail.com> writes:
On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org>  
wrote:


 Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a  
 pleasant journey home.

 To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and  
 debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini  
 projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;   
 migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to get  
 this sort of burst of activity of going.   And I imagine with some  
 efforts (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more  
 discussions outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that  
 can't be resolved through the ML.

 For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any  
 conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and others  
 going.

 Thoughts?


 Regards
 Iain.


This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that  
Google Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype  
supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there is  
a free alternative that supports n attendees?

-- 
Adam Wilson
IRC: LightBender
Project Coordinator
The Horizon Project
http://www.thehorizonproject.org/
May 06 2013
parent reply Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
On 6 May 2013 21:32, Adam Wilson <flyboynw gmail.com> wrote:


 On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org>
 wrote:

  Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a

 pleasant journey home.

 To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and
 debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini
 projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;
  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to get
 this sort of burst of activity of going.   And I imagine with some efforts
 (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more discussions
 outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can't be
 resolved through the ML.

 For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any
 conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and others
 going.

 Thoughts?


 Regards
 Iain.


 This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that
 Google Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype
 supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there is
 a free alternative that supports n attendees?


SIP is a well supported protocol.  There are various open source
servers/clients out there that we can use.

However, I don't think there would be >25 people attending such things.
Infact, things might get ugly if more than 20 people join in on
conversation, unless there is some sort of policing going on. :)

-- 
Iain Buclaw

*(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0';
May 06 2013
next sibling parent reply "Adam Wilson" <flyboynw gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 06 May 2013 14:40:31 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> wrote:


 On 6 May 2013 21:32, Adam Wilson <flyboynw gmail.com> wrote:


 On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org>
 wrote:

  Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a

 pleasant journey home.

 To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and
 debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini
 projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;
  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to  
 get
 this sort of burst of activity of going.   And I imagine with some  
 efforts
 (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more discussions
 outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can't be
 resolved through the ML.

 For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in  
 any
 conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and  
 others
 going.

 Thoughts?


 Regards
 Iain.


 This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that
 Google Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype
 supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there  
 is
 a free alternative that supports n attendees?


 SIP is a well supported protocol.  There are various open source
 servers/clients out there that we can use.

 However, I don't think there would be >25 people attending such things.
 Infact, things might get ugly if more than 20 people join in on
 conversation, unless there is some sort of policing going on. :)


Well, I was thinking that more than 25 people might interested in joining  
the conference call. I mean we did just get around 85 people for the  
conference. Although I suppose not everyone would have time for a more  
regular meeting, I could see enough potential interest to hit 25. After  
all there are a quite a few of us who are rather interested in moving D  
forward. :-)

-- 
Adam Wilson
IRC: LightBender
Project Coordinator
The Horizon Project
http://www.thehorizonproject.org/
May 06 2013
parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
On 6 May 2013 23:10, Adam Wilson <flyboynw gmail.com> wrote:


 On Mon, 06 May 2013 14:40:31 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com>
 wrote:

  On 6 May 2013 21:32, Adam Wilson <flyboynw gmail.com> wrote:

  On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org>

 wrote:

  Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a


 pleasant journey home.

 To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and
 debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini
 projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;
  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to get
 this sort of burst of activity of going.   And I imagine with some
 efforts
 (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more discussions
 outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can't be
 resolved through the ML.

 For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any
 conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and others
 going.

 Thoughts?


 Regards
 Iain.


 This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that
 Google Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype
 supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there
 is
 a free alternative that supports n attendees?


  SIP is a well supported protocol.  There are various open source


 servers/clients out there that we can use.

 However, I don't think there would be >25 people attending such things.
 Infact, things might get ugly if more than 20 people join in on
 conversation, unless there is some sort of policing going on. :)


 Well, I was thinking that more than 25 people might interested in joining
 the conference call. I mean we did just get around 85 people for the
 conference. Although I suppose not everyone would have time for a more
 regular meeting, I could see enough potential interest to hit 25. After all
 there are a quite a few of us who are rather interested in moving D
 forward. :-)


Indeed.  I was thinking more of involving people who are intimate with the
various developments in the language.  Eg:  People who are dealing with
rvalues as references may not be the same people who are dealing with
migrating D front end to D, or people dealing with CTFE implementation.
However we should always be inviting to people who want to listen in on the
conversation.  =)

-- 
Iain Buclaw

*(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0';
May 07 2013
prev sibling parent reply "Dicebot" <m.strashun gmail.com> writes:
For voice conferences with large amount of participants (20+) 
usually stuff like TeamSpeak, Ventrilo and Mumble is used. It 
requires some special approach - for example, it is possible to 
setup SIP voice conference but because of SIP architecture it 
simply won't scale well for large amount of participants. And 
XMPPP/Jingle support for conferences is still 
experimental/work-in-progress.

For video conferences I am not aware of any free solution with 
better capability than Google Hangouts. It is quite a challenging 
task actually.
May 07 2013
next sibling parent reply "Dicebot" <m.strashun gmail.com> writes:
P.S. Also it is as much a social issue as a technical challenge - 
managing 20+ people trying to speak at the same time is a hell 
with no extra tools :)
May 07 2013
parent Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On Tue, 07 May 2013 11:07:40 +0200
"Dicebot" <m.strashun gmail.com> wrote:


 P.S. Also it is as much a social issue as a technical challenge - 
 managing 20+ people trying to speak at the same time is a hell 
 with no extra tools :)


Yea, that size conversation can be difficult enough on IRC, let alone
with voice.
May 07 2013
prev sibling parent reply "deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 May 2013 at 09:05:50 UTC, Dicebot wrote:

 For voice conferences with large amount of participants (20+) 
 usually stuff like TeamSpeak, Ventrilo and Mumble is used. It 
 requires some special approach - for example, it is possible to 
 setup SIP voice conference but because of SIP architecture it 
 simply won't scale well for large amount of participants. And 
 XMPPP/Jingle support for conferences is still 
 experimental/work-in-progress.

 For video conferences I am not aware of any free solution with 
 better capability than Google Hangouts. It is quite a 
 challenging task actually.


As a side note, SIP is a signaling protocol. It isn't sufficient 
itself to do this kind of stuff and can also be used to do 
something completely differently. It is only useful to connect 
stream of data.

Nothing in SIP itself make it inadequate here, but the usual 
toolchain that contains SIP is.
May 07 2013
parent "Dicebot" <m.strashun gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 May 2013 at 09:18:01 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 As a side note, SIP is a signaling protocol. It isn't 
 sufficient itself to do this kind of stuff and can also be used 
 to do something completely differently. It is only useful to 
 connect stream of data.

 Nothing in SIP itself make it inadequate here, but the usual 
 toolchain that contains SIP is.


Well I am not aware of any actual service that uses anything else 
but default SIP+SDP+RTP so it is more of a theory. SIP itself is 
very flexible indeed and easily extended with non-standard 
extensions if needed but with no actual implementation it is 
hardly useful ;)

P.S. SIP itself is not even capable of connecting streams of 
data, it encapsulates Session Description Protocol for it. Only 
pure exchange of intentions.
May 07 2013