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reply ddcovery <antoniocabreraperez gmail.com> writes:
Before all,

I'm really enjoying with last weekend presentations:  thanks for 
the great work despite the difficulties.

Well, today I was writting an answere on Quora (spanish) about 
web development and I decided to enumerate some "strong typed" 
programming languajes with it's main webslite link (I allways 
include dlang as an alternative)...

I noticed that kotlin, scala, typescript, rust, ... all of them 
take care about the "first impression" offering a modern web 
interface in the main site.  DLang website first impresion is 
"old", mainly because de size/location/color of the 3 download 
buttons, the height of the top navbar, and the difficult to see 
the missing title "The D programming language" or "D happy 
developers language" ( :-p ).  Type script website is "similar" 
to the dlang one and first impression is better.

It's only an opinion... I'm developer, not web designer, but 
first impression counts!!!
Nov 23 2020
next sibling parent user1234 <user1234 12.de> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 09:53:29 UTC, ddcovery wrote:

 Before all,

 I'm really enjoying with last weekend presentations:  thanks 
 for the great work despite the difficulties.

 Well, today I was writting an answere on Quora (spanish) about 
 web development and I decided to enumerate some "strong typed" 
 programming languajes with it's main webslite link (I allways 
 include dlang as an alternative)...

 I noticed that kotlin, scala, typescript, rust, ... all of them 
 take care about the "first impression" offering a modern web 
 interface in the main site.  DLang website first impresion is 
 "old", mainly because de size/location/color of the 3 download 
 buttons, the height of the top navbar, and the difficult to see 
 the missing title "The D programming language" or "D happy 
 developers language" ( :-p ).  Type script website is "similar" 
 to the dlang one and first impression is better.

 It's only an opinion... I'm developer, not web designer, but 
 first impression counts!!!


Well I dont know. It's not good either to have a facade that 
looks like if it's made by a company who apply the same template 
to each client, with a few aestetical changes.
Nov 23 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 09:53:29 UTC, ddcovery wrote:

 Before all,

 I'm really enjoying with last weekend presentations:  thanks 
 for the great work despite the difficulties.

 Well, today I was writting an answere on Quora (spanish) about 
 web development and I decided to enumerate some "strong typed" 
 programming languajes with it's main webslite link (I allways 
 include dlang as an alternative)...

 I noticed that kotlin, scala, typescript, rust, ... all of them 
 take care about the "first impression" offering a modern web 
 interface in the main site.  DLang website first impresion is 
 "old", mainly because de size/location/color of the 3 download 
 buttons, the height of the top navbar, and the difficult to see 
 the missing title "The D programming language" or "D happy 
 developers language" ( :-p ).  Type script website is "similar" 
 to the dlang one and first impression is better.

 It's only an opinion... I'm developer, not web designer, but 
 first impression counts!!!


I did a video on the D website looking outdated. I guess a 
designer is needed to clean things up.

That's if the foundation is willing to make the change... 
decluttering the website too.
Nov 23 2020
parent reply Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= <ola.fosheim.grostad gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 11:30:31 UTC, aberba wrote:

 I did a video on the D website looking outdated. I guess a 
 designer is needed to clean things up.

 That's if the foundation is willing to make the change... 
 decluttering the website too.


I think it is fine. Better than most languages. It also works on 
outdated browsers, which is a plus.

Visual fashion on the web changes every 2 years, so even if you 
hire a graphics designer today, it will still look outdated in 
another 2 years.
Nov 23 2020
parent reply aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 12:23:06 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad 
wrote:

 On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 11:30:31 UTC, aberba wrote:

 I did a video on the D website looking outdated. I guess a 
 designer is needed to clean things up.

 That's if the foundation is willing to make the change... 
 decluttering the website too.


 I think it is fine. Better than most languages. It also works 
 on outdated browsers, which is a plus.


Is most languages your benchmark?

 Visual fashion on the web changes every 2 years, so even if you 
 hire a graphics designer today, it will still look outdated in 
 another 2 years.


I'm sure you don't work (or practice) as a web designer.
Nov 23 2020
next sibling parent Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= <ola.fosheim.grostad gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 12:27:42 UTC, aberba wrote:

 Visual fashion on the web changes every 2 years, so even if 
 you hire a graphics designer today, it will still look 
 outdated in another 2 years.


 I'm sure you don't work (or practice) as a web designer.


I've been involved in this field since 2000: teaching msc-level 
course, designing, programming front end, back end, cloud.
Nov 23 2020
prev sibling parent Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= <ola.fosheim.grostad gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 12:27:42 UTC, aberba wrote:

 On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 12:23:06 UTC, Ola Fosheim 
 Grøstad wrote:

 On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 11:30:31 UTC, aberba wrote:

 I did a video on the D website looking outdated. I guess a 
 designer is needed to clean things up.

 That's if the foundation is willing to make the change... 
 decluttering the website too.


 I think it is fine. Better than most languages. It also works 
 on outdated browsers, which is a plus.


 Is most languages your benchmark?


Btw, this is my benchmark:

https://en.cppreference.com/

Flat architecture, for quick reference. Could it be better, sure. 
But far more functional than other languages atm. Fashionable 
visuals would make it worse, not better.

It might be the most popular website for systems programming. I 
use it frequently.

I also use MDN frequently, but only access it through google 
search.

It is important that D sells itself as a community project and 
not as a slick corporate entity. The current website and DConf 
sends that message quite effectively. "Improving" the visuals 
would be a waste of effort. Improving the usability and content 
would worthwhile though.
Nov 23 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 11/23/20 1:53 AM, ddcovery wrote:


 I noticed that kotlin, scala, typescript, rust, ... all of them take
 care about the "first impression"


Fully agreed.

A colleague of mine showed me how impressive Rust was just yesterday. We 
talked about some technical points:

* Error management
* 'match' keywoard
* And a few other technical stuff

But most of his excitement was on the user experience. He was showing me 
how amazing the following was:

* Rust coding inside Visual Studio (Code?)
* How the IDE writes parts of the program
* How type annotations are displayed next to variables
* Usefulness of compilation error messages
* Other Rust tools

The problem is, personally, I care only a tiny bit about these points; 
not much. And that is what I sensed from Atila during a couple of 
#BeerConf conversations. For example, both of us use Emacs as IDEs and 
we talked about how sub-optimal certain parts of our development 
experience were but neither of us were motivated enough to do anything 
about it because "it just worked" for us. Heck, I don't even know how D 
feels like inside Visual Studio.

I doubt Walter personally cares about shiny IDEs either. (He uses an 
Emacs-like editor, which he wrote.)

Which means, such look-and-feel topics must be championed by other people.

Having said that, part of me is screaming "people who are interested in 
shiny stuff need not apply" but I am explaining to myself that it's the 
wrong attitude. :/

Ali
Nov 23 2020
next sibling parent Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= <ola.fosheim.grostad gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 16:41:52 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 Having said that, part of me is screaming "people who are 
 interested in shiny stuff need not apply" but I am explaining 
 to myself that it's the wrong attitude. :/


Actually it isn't. The strategy ought be centered on demographics 
that are most likely to modify the compiler or build solid 
libraries.

The strongest selling point for D right now is that it has moved 
from a 1-person project to a 2-person+community project to 
(hopefully) a fully community driven project. So where D seems to 
be moving you can write a DIP, modify the compiler and have an 
impact, with C++, Rust and Go that is highly unlikely. If the D 
community can deliver on that, then that would be a real selling 
point for many system level programmers who have "pet peeves" in 
their daily workday.


javascript programmers will create a lot of noise, but not move 
the needle. A dozen C++ programmers could.

Of course, a quality IDE experience is important, but right now, 
not the most critical aspect.
Nov 23 2020
prev sibling parent reply bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 16:41:52 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:


 Having said that, part of me is screaming "people who are 
 interested in shiny stuff need not apply" but I am explaining 
 to myself that it's the wrong attitude. :/


I don't really agree with that sentiment, somewhat along the 
lines of Ola's argument. Kotlin's site has a very Atlassian feel 
to it. That's good for Kotlin, since they're aiming for and 
delivering an enterprise experience. D can't deliver that 
experience right now. The website's Hacker News-esque design fits 
perfectly with what the language can deliver.

That said, there are two things I hate about the landing page. 
The download buttons really are ugly. The three text boxes at the 
bottom ("Write Fast", "Read Fast", and "Run Fast") need to use 
three different background colors. I know nothing about web 
design but not using colors to distinguish big blocks of text has 
to violate something.
Nov 23 2020
parent reply Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= <ola.fosheim.grostad gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 17:25:21 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

 On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 16:41:52 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:


 Having said that, part of me is screaming "people who are 
 interested in shiny stuff need not apply" but I am explaining 
 to myself that it's the wrong attitude. :/


 I don't really agree with that sentiment, somewhat along the 
 lines of Ola's argument.


Did you agree with me or not? :) I am Norwegian... could not 
parse... :]

I am not negative to javascript programmers, but one issue D has 
had in the past has been that people pull in different directions 
and that inevitably leads to a sense of "nothing I do can affect 
the outcome".

I am very optimistic about D right now because I now see that 
people are pulling in the same direction. DIP discussions are 
productive, in the sense that most people agree on the overall 
direction, if not the details. Walter impressed me greatly on 
DConf by underlining a "we feeling" in everything he said, 
community management is very tricky and words and phrases 
matters. Whether  live will pan out or not is not important, what 
is important is that it is on the table, that means somebody else 
(maybe a master student) will think that they can produce a 
solution that is more complete and expect it to be accepted.


jeopardise the current positive trend of pulling in the same 
direction. So my personal viewpoint is that D's future does not 
depend on the number of users, but the number of enthusiasts that 
can pull in the same direction and make dents in the fabric with 
their own hands. So more people that share goals is positive, but 
more users, for the sake of numbers, could be destructive.

The compiler codebase has also improved quite a lot since it was 
in C++, so it is easier to experiment it. That should be 
encouraged. In the past people could be flamed for experimenting 
with the compiler in exotic ways, thankfully that is a thing of 
the past. And that is also a thing that really needs to be 
catered for (tutorials/documentation).
Nov 23 2020
parent bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 18:10:58 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad 
wrote:

 On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 17:25:21 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

 On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 16:41:52 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:


 Having said that, part of me is screaming "people who are 
 interested in shiny stuff need not apply" but I am explaining 
 to myself that it's the wrong attitude. :/


 I don't really agree with that sentiment, somewhat along the 
 lines of Ola's argument.


 Did you agree with me or not? :) I am Norwegian... could not 
 parse... :]


I don't think the problem is that you're Norwegian. I don't write 
carefully in a setting like this. I can barely parse what I 
wrote. I was agreeing with you, for the record.



 I am very optimistic about D right now because I now see that 
 people are pulling in the same direction. DIP discussions are 
 productive, in the sense that most people agree on the overall 
 direction, if not the details.


It took a few years (or decades) to figure out how to run the 
project. Now it's on track.
Nov 23 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply starcanopy <starcanopy protonmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 09:53:29 UTC, ddcovery wrote:

 [...]


I don't see how Go's website looks anymore modern than D's. 
Further, Rust's landing page looks awful: the colors and layout 
make me nauseous. Typescript's just looks more angular. Etc. I'm 
not saying D's web presentation is perfect, but neither do I see 
any glaring flaws compared to the "competition." (If somebody 
wants to take the initiative and do a design overhaul, however, 
more power to them.)
Nov 23 2020
parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 07:47:31PM +0000, starcanopy via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 09:53:29 UTC, ddcovery wrote:

 [...]


 
 I don't see how Go's website looks anymore modern than D's. Further, Rust's
 landing page looks awful: the colors and layout make me nauseous.
 Typescript's just looks more angular. Etc. I'm not saying D's web
 presentation is perfect, but neither do I see any glaring flaws compared to
 the "competition." (If somebody wants to take the initiative and do a design
 overhaul, however, more power to them.)


TBH, I find Rust's website design awful.  It follows that horrible
modern trend of giving no helpful information on the landing page, and
instead filling 90% of the screen with the modern equivalent of giant
in-your-face banner ad, complete with oversized fonts and excessive
emphasis.  Just about every page features this horrible information
minimization, and it takes an excessive number of links before you get
to the *real* information.

Typescript's website is slightly better, even though it suffers from the
same in-your-face design philosophy, but at least the font sizes are not
as excessive as Rust's.  It still takes an excessive number of clicks to
get to the meat, though.

D's website isn't all that much better, unfortunately.  That
fast-fast-fast slogan honestly makes me cringe and want to throw up. It
also features "Support the D language" right in the bottom half of the
page: if I'm a newcomer, why would I even want to support D when you
haven't even told me why I should care.

TBH, all 3 websites suffer from the ridiculous modern trend of an
essentially contentless splash page that tries to sell me something I
haven't even understood yet.  The slogan-based design, e.g., Rust's "Why
rust? Performance, reliability, productivity", tell me *nothing* about
Rust beyond marketing buzzwords that I don't even read, because how do I
even know how reliable such statements are?  It reads just like a
marketing brochure that people hand me at a fair and that I promptly
chuck into the trash can without even reading.

Show me *actual Rust code*, and describe to me *specific Rust features*,
then I might be a bit more sympathetic.  Give me a list of features that
I can compare against other languages in order to evaluate whether Rust
offers me something other languages don't.

Overcoming my initial nausea, I click on "Get started", and I'm taken to
a page where again, 30% of the page is occupied by the title of the
page. What a useless waste of space!  Not to mention that horrible
red-and-purple color scheme.  The nausea returns.  There's not a single
line of Rust code anywhere that I can see. Just some obscure curl
command without an obvious description of just what it does.  Why would
I even want to install this when you haven't even shown me a single line
of Rust?  I'm not sold yet, and you're already asking for my wallet.

TypeScript's website doesn't fare much better.  But it does have a major
plus over Rust's website: it shows you *actual code*, along with an
error message that shows exactly what TypeScript's selling point is.
And there's a "try in your browser" link that straightaway lets me try
it out for myself (which would've been great, but my browser has JS
disabled for new sites by default, so that resulting empty page was not
exactly a positive impression).  But again, 30% of the front page is
filled with marketing spiel that I don't even bother to read.

D's website at least doesn't have nausea-inducingly huge fonts on the
front page, and there's also actual code to boot. A win over Rust's
website.  I can edit and run code *right on the front page*: another
plus.  Unfortunately, that "support the D language" section is just out
of place.  Support usually comes from people who have *already* been
sold on D, and such people usually already know the ins and outs of the
website, where to look for information on how to support the language,
etc.. Such information *does not need to be on the front page*.  It just
looks out-of-place to a newcomer.

D's website still suffers from the influence of that horrible splash
page design philosophy. That paragraph about "general-purpose
programming language with blah blah blah didn't bother to read" doesn't
accomplish very much IMNSHO.  And too much white space on the page.  I
can understand having adequate space so it doesn't look like a cluttered
newspaper ad page, but still. This amount of whitespace on a page, so
prevalent these days, is just ridiculous.

I'd much rather see, e.g., a list of features that make D stand out from
other languages, right on the front page. This goes for any language, in
fact. Then I can glance at it and know in 3-5 seconds what are the major
features of this language, which are hopefully also what differentiates
it from the crowd of other languages, without having to click on this or
that or the other (which involves mental effort to process: which of
those non-informatively named links will actually tell me what this
thing is about in the first place?! -- your average net surfers are
lazy, don't forget that).

Also, that "industry proven" section seems poorly placed: neither
prominently at the top or deal-sealing at the bottom, but an indecisive
middle.  I mean, why would I care who uses this language, if it doesn't
have the features I want?  And following this, the remainder of the page
just seems to be ad hoc, and rather disorganized. The order of the
sections don't seem to follow any obvious logical order.  First there's
a smattering of random links to news, community, forums, then that
horrible fast-fast-fast slogan with more elaborate explanations at the
very bottom (huh? shouldn't this be nearer to the top?).  Very strange.

The way these websites are designed, esp. Rust's, give me the impression
that they're designed for CEO's and other management types who want to
be wow'ed by how beautiful and in-your-face the website is, and based on
that decide that their employees should use this language from now on,
rather than the actual programmers who will be actually using the
language, who:

1) Already know they're looking at a *programming language*, not brand
name shampoo, and therefore are not scared of seeing actual code;

2) Already know at least one other programming language (we're not
trying to teach non-programmers how to program, after all), and
therefore have no reason to look further unless they see a feature that
their current language doesn't have, or a feature that might be superior
to their current language's features;

3) Are probably looking at your website because they're looking for a
better language than they currently have, and therefore want to know
right away what makes your language stand out from the hundreds of other
languages out there;

4) May be existing users of your language who are looking for
documentation or the latest release, or maybe they have a question they
want to ask somebody (in the forum, etc.), so the faster they can get to
this information, the better -- preferably 1 click away, and preferably
*without* having to scroll.  I think everyone here already knows that
very few people actually bother to read anything past what's shown in
the browser window upon landing on the page.


The big question behind all of this is: who's the target audience of the
website?  The people who will be using the language, people who are
already using the language, or management types who want to be wowed
with a flashy page that captivates their attention, or some generic,
non-descript, abstract audience that may or may not exist?

Hopefully not the last two.  And of the first two, IMO the first is more
important, because the second group is already sold on your product, so
they're naturally more inclined to put in more effort to find the
information they want.  And the primary question with the first is: (1)
what's this language about (what are the defining features), and (2) why
should I care (what features does it have that my current language
doesn't have / what makes it better than what I have now).

//

Disclaimer: What I look for in a website is likely very different from
what your average web surfer looks for.  I look for *information*, and
presentation is secondary; whereas most people are wowed by
presentation, then realize there might actually be information.  So
YMMV.  But also: if you only cater to the whims of a fickle average web
surfer, don't be surprised if they don't stay.  The kind of audience you
sell to is the kind of users you'll get.


T

-- 
Why waste time reinventing the wheel, when you could be reinventing the
engine? -- Damian Conway
Nov 23 2020
parent starcanopy <starcanopy protonmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 23:22:14 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:

 [...]


I agree with most if not all of your points. I especially do not 
like the "industry proven" section as I think it overstates D's 
presence or is outdated (e.g. sociomantic and Remedy).
As you mentioned, restricting the landing page to require minimal 
scrolling will, hopefully, force one to consider what's really 
necessary to know about D. Also slapping a prominent link to D's 
tour (It's merely mixed in the middle as it is now.) somewhere on 
the page would do wonders. After all, what better way to signal a 
productive language to somebody than with readily available 
access to code?
Nov 24 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply IGotD- <nise nise.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 09:53:29 UTC, ddcovery wrote:

 ...


I think the home site is fine. It simple, fast and responsive. 
Documentation itself can be out of date though. The biggest 
problem I have is *this* what you are using right now, the 
newsgroup interface. It is so old and user unfriendly. There 
several forum SW to choose from out there so there is no reason 
to migrate. I just hate it when I see some mistake I've made but 
I cannot edit my post because this is the 90s.
Nov 23 2020
next sibling parent ddcovery <antoniocabreraperez gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 23:27:22 UTC, IGotD- wrote:

 On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 09:53:29 UTC, ddcovery wrote:

 ...


 I think the home site is fine. It simple, fast and responsive. 
 Documentation itself can be out of date though. The biggest 
 problem I have is *this* what you are using right now, the 
 newsgroup interface. It is so old and user unfriendly. There 
 several forum SW to choose from out there so there is no reason 
 to migrate. I just hate it when I see some mistake I've made 
 but I cannot edit my post because this is the 90s.


dlang.org website is really fine for D developers: it acts as a 
HUB where presentation, information, resources, forums, ... are 
integrated.   This is really a hard (and great) job.

And it's fast!!!

I have to clarify that I use, primary, linux (ubuntu) and this is 
the origin of the problem:  Dlang offers 3 download buttons (2 
red, 1 white) with "complex" texts,  and this "breaks" completly 
the balance of the intro section (Windows users see only 1 
"Downloads" button and intro section is well balanced).


With small changes you can "balance" the experience.

i.e.: (for linux)

* Use only 1 download button with a simple text "Download D"... 
this navigates to the download page where you offer your platform 
buttons (i.e,:  DEB an RPM) and the complete alternatives list.

If you are using Ubuntu, try this (on browser console) in 
dlang.org page:

$(".pitch").css('fontWeight',"350");
$(".download a.btn.action:first-child").css({"fontSize":"16px", 
"padding": "0.7em"}).html("Download 
<b>D</b>").attr({"href":"download.html"});
$(".download a.btn.action:not(:first-child)").remove();
$(".download a.btn:not(.action)").remove();

If your are using "Windows"... web site looks fine... May be an 
small change :-)

$(".download a.btn:first-child").
css({
   "fontSize":"16px",
   "padding": "0.7em",

   "background-color": "#B03931",
   "color": "white"
}).
html("Download <b>D</b>").
attr({"href":"download.html"});
Nov 24 2020
prev sibling parent Dominikus Dittes Scherkl <dominikus scherkl.de> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 23:27:22 UTC, IGotD- wrote:

 I think the home site is fine. It simple, fast and responsive. 
 Documentation itself can be out of date though. The biggest 
 problem I have is *this* what you are using right now, the 
 newsgroup interface. It is so old and user unfriendly. There 
 several forum SW to choose from out there so there is no reason 
 to migrate. I just hate it when I see some mistake I've made 
 but I cannot edit my post because this is the 90s.


Sorry, but *I* am personally very happy that you can't edit.
I hate if someone says some bullshit an later on claims he never 
has said that. And if you try to prove, the culprit is actually 
edited away.

If you made a mistake, simply write a second post and correct it. 
If that's so '90s, I would be glad to live in the '90s again. Go 
home with your fake news, that's so 1984.
Nov 24 2020
prev sibling parent reply Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:
On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 09:53:29 UTC, ddcovery wrote:

 I noticed that kotlin, scala, typescript, rust, ... all of them 
 take care about the "first impression" offering a modern web 
 interface in the main site.  DLang website first impresion is 
 "old", mainly because de size/location/color of the 3 download 
 buttons, the height of the top navbar, and


Apologize for the SPA fad.
Nov 24 2020
parent ddcovery <antoniocabreraperez gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 24 November 2020 at 11:30:55 UTC, Kagamin wrote:

 On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 09:53:29 UTC, ddcovery wrote:

 I noticed that kotlin, scala, typescript, rust, ... all of 
 them take care about the "first impression" offering a modern 
 web interface in the main site.  DLang website first impresion 
 is "old", mainly because de size/location/color of the 3 
 download buttons, the height of the top navbar, and


 Apologize for the SPA fad.


Well, I really like Rust website (I have not to apologize) and Go 
last months "light" changes are good.  Kotlin really want to be 
seen as "dynamic, young, smart",   Scala play framework website 
is nice... postgres decided to change their website too:  each 
one decides how to convince newcomers and how to compete in 
development market.   I think it has been a good discussion 
thread where the "D programmers like their website" is the main 
conclusion.  May be, the bad part of some opinions is "...and 
they have nothing to learn about other great developmet SPA fad 
sites".

This was my opinion:

 DLang website first impression is "old", mainly because de 
 size/location/color of the 3 download buttons, the height of 
 the top navbar, and the difficult to see the missing title 
 "The D programming language" or "D happy developers language" 
 ( :-p )




Kagamin, I have not to apology for my respectful opinion about 
look & feel (not about hard and good website work) and I really 
appreciate to read and know other developers point of view.
Nov 24 2020